Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 In a message dated 3/30/2008 12:20:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lake.001 writes: I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curiousabout how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/massmarket. I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little toogeneric for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hearnon-dualism presented.ThanksBrian Hi Brian I was able to watch the first two, and as you imply, it has been watered down a bit futrher from his books in order to fit the apparently primarily Christian audience. (Since Oprah has a Christian background, she seems to have drawn that demographic, which strikes me as perfect.) Many of the participants seem to be questioning the boundaries of their beliefs even though they may seem like crude beliefs from a nondual perspective. What I saw didn't really deal with nondual concepts except in the form of various passing phrases, but I believe the idea is to progress into a more nondual depth, at which point many listeners may abandon ship. I figure it all serves. Phil Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curious about how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/mass market. I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little too generic for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hear non-dualism presented. Thanks Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 30, 2008 Report Share Posted March 30, 2008 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curious > about how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/mass > market. > > I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little too > generic for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hear > non-dualism presented. > > Thanks > > Brian oprah IS a mythology. how much more can you take? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001 wrote: > > I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curious > about how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/mass > market. > > I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little too > generic for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hear > non-dualism presented. > > Thanks > > Brian > That's one for Tamboora; he read all 294 chapters of Harry Potter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " brian_outlier " <lake.001@> > wrote: > > > > I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curious > > about how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/mass > > market. > > > > I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little too > > generic for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hear > > non-dualism presented. > > > > Thanks > > > > Brian > > > That's one for Tamboora; he read all 294 chapters of Harry Potter. ahhhhhh! your a Potter fan! baba just knew that you would be. and you even counted chapters! if you work at it.. maybe some day it won't be too difficult a read for you son. bobji knows you must have a neat H.P. coloring book though... bet your lunch box has pretty pictures of Harry on it.. and bet it's filled with swell twinkies and chocolate milk. good boy! what a joke. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 31, 2008 Report Share Posted March 31, 2008 Thanks Phil. That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone who might have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigating non-dualism from an Eastern perspective. Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in with the books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less. Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his Park Bench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less attached to any named system. Brian Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/30/2008 12:20:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lake.001 writes: > > I can't view the shows they offer on Monday nights, but I am curious > about how Tolle's message is being packaged/framed for the Oprah/mass > market. > > I read two of his books and thought them interesting but a little too > generic for me. I prefer a little more mythology when I hear > non-dualism presented. > > Thanks > > Brian > > > > Hi Brian > I was able to watch the first two, and as you imply, it has been watered > down a bit futrher from his books in order to fit the apparently primarily > Christian audience. (Since Oprah has a Christian background, she seems to have > drawn that demographic, which strikes me as perfect.) Many of the participants > seem to be questioning the boundaries of their beliefs even though they may > seem like crude beliefs from a nondual perspective. > > What I saw didn't really deal with nondual concepts except in the form of > various passing phrases, but I believe the idea is to progress into a more > nondual depth, at which point many listeners may abandon ship. I figure it all > serves. > > Phil > > > > > **************Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL > Home. > (http://home.aol.com/diy/home-improvement-eric-stromer?video=15 & ncid=aolhom00030\ 000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lake.001 writes: Thanks Phil.That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone whomight have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigatingnon-dualism from an Eastern perspective. Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in withthe books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less.Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his ParkBench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less attachedto any named system.Brian Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what had happened to him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actually makes his approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of the nondual jargon. One difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more than just point to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe his experience. His letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from some extreme suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea to let it all go because he "couldn't live with himself any longer". For the rest of us who rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing to admit it or not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in the present moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readers realize since the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean? PhilCreate a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lake.001 writes: > > Thanks Phil. > > That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone who > might have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigating > non-dualism from an Eastern perspective. > > Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in with > the books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less. > > Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his Park > Bench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less attached > to any named system. > > Brian > > > > Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what had happened to > him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actually makes his > approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of the nondual jargon. One > difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more than just point > to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe his experience. His > letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from some extreme > suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea to let it all go > because he " couldn't live with himself any longer " . For the rest of us who > rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing to admit it or > not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in the present > moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readers realize since > the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean? > > Phil Namaste, Tolle is a regurgitator, with a clever marketing system that appeals to people's egos. That they can actually really do something and that 'God' is coming throught them to change the planet etc. A two day ticket is $300 and one day tickets are 1-200 dollars..... His time on the park bench amuses me, here in BC where he lives we call that being on the dole or poge--unemployment. I have never heard of anybody being 6 months in high samadi and coming back to earth so to speak.......A lot doesnt' ring true with him. I will give him full marks for writing and being a good marketer though.......Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lake.001@ writes: > > > > Thanks Phil. > > > > That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone > who > > might have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigating > > non-dualism from an Eastern perspective. > > > > Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in > with > > the books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less. > > > > Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his > Park > > Bench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less > attached > > to any named system. > > > > Brian > > > > > > > > Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what had > happened to > > him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actually > makes his > > approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of the > nondual jargon. One > > difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more than > just point > > to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe his > experience. His > > letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from > some extreme > > suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea to > let it all go > > because he " couldn't live with himself any longer " . For the rest > of us who > > rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing to > admit it or > > not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in the > present > > moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readers > realize since > > the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean? > > > > Phil > > Namaste, > > Tolle is a regurgitator, with a clever marketing system that appeals > to people's egos. That they can actually really do something and > that 'God' is coming throught them to change the planet etc. > > A two day ticket is $300 and one day tickets are 1-200 dollars..... > > His time on the park bench amuses me, here in BC where he lives we > call that being on the dole or poge--unemployment. I have never heard > of anybody being 6 months in high samadi and coming back to earth so > to speak.......A lot doesnt' ring true with him. I will give him full > marks for writing and being a good marketer though....... oh quit whining about the man. the rest of the world..outside of B.C... call it being a savvy businessman. the lazy man's way to riches as it were. of course the rest of the world is in A.D. aren't you folks a tad behind the times? i'm sure Tolle wouldn't be interested in your good marks. neither is anyone else. why expect the grades of.. an unsuccessful, unscientific, waif to matter. they don't. but baba must say.. what you have written is uninteresting. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 In a message dated 4/1/2008 8:33:58 AM Pacific Daylight Time, aoclery writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lake.001 writes:> > Thanks Phil.> > That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone who> might have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigating> non-dualism from an Eastern perspective. > > Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in with> the books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less.> > Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his Park> Bench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less attached> to any named system.> > Brian > > > > Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what had happened to > him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actually makes his > approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of the nondual jargon. One > difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more than just point > to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe his experience. His > letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from some extreme > suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea to let it all go > because he "couldn't live with himself any longer". For the rest of us who > rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing to admit it or > not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in the present > moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readers realize since > the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean?> > PhilNamaste,Tolle is a regurgitator, with a clever marketing system that appeals to people's egos. That they can actually really do something and that 'God' is coming throught them to change the planet etc.A two day ticket is $300 and one day tickets are 1-200 dollars.....His time on the park bench amuses me, here in BC where he lives we call that being on the dole or poge--unemployment. I have never heard of anybody being 6 months in high samadi and coming back to earth so to speak.......A lot doesnt' ring true with him. I will give him full marks for writing and being a good marketer though....... It's not my impression but anything's possible. More recently, I've pretty much dropped the questioning as to whether a teacher is the real Mckoy or not, because teaching/learning doesn't really seem to work that way. We're not trying to discover any Truth so much as we're trying to see through our illusions, and so everything serves the attention that's drawn to it, including deception, pretenses and ego drama. PhilCreate a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 In a message dated 4/1/2008 10:44:47 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lake.001 writes: > Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what hadhappened to > him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actuallymakes his > approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of thenondual jargon. One > difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more thanjust point > to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe hisexperience. His > letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from someextreme > suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea tolet it all go > because he "couldn't live with himself any longer". For the rest ofus who > rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing toadmit it or > not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in thepresent > moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readersrealize since > the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean?> > Phil> Yes. I recall him talking much about his pain-body, which may be whatappeals to many. Although, the Pain Body is probably just another termfor something else in You Name It philosophy.Brian I recently stumbled across Jeff Foster. I don't know if he's a recent addition to the nonduality scene or if I'm just catching up, but something about how he relates appeals to me. YouTube - lifewithoutacentre's Channel Phil Create a Home Theater Like the Pros. Watch the video on AOL Home. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 1, 2008 Report Share Posted April 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 3/31/2008 2:53:17 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lake.001 writes: > > Thanks Phil. > > That's as I expected. It probably was somewhat boring to someone who > might have been exposed to Tolle's teaching AFTER investigating > non-dualism from an Eastern perspective. > > Although I don't think Nis has all that much philosophy mixed in with > the books I've read by/about him, I think Tolle has even less. > > Did Tolle have exposure to any non-dualistic teachings before his Park > Bench Time? If not, maybe thats why his teachings seem less attached > to any named system. > > Brian > > > > Welp, unless I'm mistaken, Tolle really had no idea what had happened to > him, and learned about such teachings afterwards, which actually makes his > approach more fresh to me. He still seems to avoid much of the nondual jargon. One > difficulty I see with his teaching is that he does much more than just point > to what is, and seems to prescribe as much as describe his experience. His > letting go of thought and coming into the present resulted from some extreme > suffering with his thoughts. It simply seemed like a good idea to let it all go > because he " couldn't live with himself any longer " . For the rest of us who > rather enjoy the game most of the time, whether we're willing to admit it or > not, there isn't the motivation to set it all aside. To be in the present > moment is perhaps more ego shattering than most listeners/readers realize since > the ego cannot sustain itself in the moment. KnowhatImean? > > Phil > Yes. I recall him talking much about his pain-body, which may be what appeals to many. Although, the Pain Body is probably just another term for something else in You Name It philosophy. Brian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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