Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > all paths leads to the heaven... > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > it all depends on where one is stabilized... there is no one that can be stabilized. there is no one moving. all paths lead to more paths. what useless rot. there be no heaven nor hell to go forth from or to be led unto. the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. the path you are on is not there..nor are you. give up glorifying either. > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... the finder find this nonsense. > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > and therefor are useless and false... > > ...iietsa Realization there IS. no man possesses it. Realization nullifies all sentient being. that's the truth. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 all paths leads to the heaven... and all paths leads aways from heaven... it all depends on where one is stabilized... the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... and therefor the path he is on is good and true... and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... and therefor are useless and false... ...iietsa > there is no one moving. > > all paths lead to more paths. > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > .b b.b. if there is no one moving... ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? (the words above was never ment to be another path to follow...) ...iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > and therefor are useless and false... > ...iietsa > > > there is no one moving. > > > > all paths lead to more paths. > > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > > > .b b.b. > > if there is no one moving... > ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? there need not be a traverser in order for a path to be. the presence or absence of a 'user' is only.. .....the absence of a user on the path. the path is unaffected..unmoved.. unconcerned..with either situation. the Way leads not away nor towards anything. the Way IS the Way, Truth, Life. EVER PRESENT. UNMOVED. UNREACHED. UNKNOWN. all 'knowing', 'reaching', 'moving'... looking forwards to what will be or backward to the past and gone... all of that stupidity and playfulness.... is to twisted for what is the COMMON. COMMON is ALL and is NATURAL..FREE.. despicable attempts at sounding like one has THAT harnessed.. in any way... is beneath all contempt and believability. iietsa..you don't know what Truth is. it needs not your defense. it needs not your false belief.. that there is a path which leads to TRUTH or away from TRUTH. the entire mode of thought is crazy. the imaginary paths leading unto paths which lead on to other paths.. those paths are not the WAY. they are useless and piffling. > (the words above was never ment to be another path to follow...) > ...iietsa what were they meant to be? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 Yes, yes, I agree! Phil In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:32:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: all paths leads to the heaven...and all paths leads aways from heaven...it all depends on where one is stabilized...the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak...and therefor the path he is on is good and true...and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth...and therefor are useless and false......iietsa Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2008 Report Share Posted April 8, 2008 In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, iietsa writes: all paths leads to the heaven...and all paths leads aways from heaven...it all depends on where one is stabilized...the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak...and therefor the path he is on is good and true...and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth...and therefor are useless and false... ...iietsa> there is no one moving.> > all paths lead to more paths.> > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth.> > .b b.b.if there is no one moving......how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? ****Hmmmm, must be a paradox formed by mixing contexts, pointing to the boundaries of the author's understanding. Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > all paths leads to the heaven... > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > and therefor are useless and false... > > ...iietsa > And? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > and therefor are useless and false... > ...iietsa > > > there is no one moving. > > > > all paths lead to more paths. > > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > > > .b b.b. > > if there is no one moving... > ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? > > > > ****Hmmmm, must be a paradox formed by mixing contexts, pointing to the > boundaries of the author's understanding. > > Phil hmmmm..no it's the inability of the reader to understand anything.. that is not already contained.. however simple... in his own infantile beliefs. we would say belief structure.. but no structure is evident in his (thought?). simply put then (for the benefit of your uncomprehending, phil).. once again you make an ass out of yourself by ass-uming. it is not what you think it must be. it is never what you think it must be. it's beyond your capabilities of understanding. but lo! your abilities of misunderstanding and saying nothing are boundless. this misfortune will be aided by keeping the company of the baba.. as you seem to need to do.. and are wont to do it may be added. it is by and through his correctives and guidance... that improvement to your wretched pettiness and imbecility is granted. this is a great blessing for you. baba is giving you peace, pathos, and counseling... and consoling.. for the pathetic imbroglio of misunderstanding that possesses 'you'. we remain yours, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > > and therefor are useless and false... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > And? > and ? go if you like to go...just for the fun of it... or dont bother at all... to keep one foot on the any path and the other one in the Self is only going to create suffering... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > and therefor are useless and false... > ...iietsa > > > there is no one moving. > > > > all paths lead to more paths. > > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > > > .b b.b. > > if there is no one moving... > ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? > > > > ****Hmmmm, must be a paradox formed by mixing contexts, pointing to the > boundaries of the author's understanding. > > Phil > it is because one identifies with a specific understanding that there is misunderstanding... the Self is beyond understanding and misunderstanding... if you see me as a thing with boundaries...it is just because you take yourself for a thing with boundaries... ....when you talk (of another) you talk only of yourself... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > > and therefor are useless and false... > > ...iietsa > > > > > there is no one moving. > > > > > > all paths lead to more paths. > > > > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > if there is no one moving... > > ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? > > > there need not be a traverser in order for a path to be. > > the presence or absence of a 'user' is only.. > > ....the absence of a user on the path. > > the path is unaffected..unmoved.. unconcerned..with either situation. > > the Way leads not away nor towards anything. > > the Way IS the Way, Truth, Life. > > EVER PRESENT. > > UNMOVED. > > UNREACHED. > > UNKNOWN. > > all 'knowing', 'reaching', 'moving'... > > looking forwards to what will be or backward to the past and gone... > > all of that stupidity and playfulness.... > > is to twisted for what is the COMMON. > > COMMON is ALL and is NATURAL..FREE.. > > despicable attempts at sounding like one has THAT harnessed.. > > in any way... > > is beneath all contempt and believability. > > iietsa..you don't know what Truth is. > > it needs not your defense. > > it needs not your false belief.. > > that there is a path which leads to TRUTH or away from TRUTH. > > the entire mode of thought is crazy. > > the imaginary paths leading unto paths which lead on to other paths.. > > those paths are not the WAY. > > they are useless and piffling. > > > > > (the words above was never ment to be another path to follow...) > > ...iietsa > > > > > > what were they meant to be? > > > .b b.b. > they are like a song that takes you to your own home if you listens to them without the intefering mind...in fact all words are... it is not the words that are good or bad...it is the mind that colors everything...and when the mind is not there to direct anymore...listening is pure...and when listening is pure nothing leads you home...you are you... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:28:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "iietsa" <iietsa@> wrote:> >> > all paths leads to the heaven...> > and all paths leads aways from heaven...> > it all depends on where one is stabilized...> > > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak...> > and therefor the path he is on is good and true...> > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth...> > and therefor are useless and false...> > > > ...iietsa> >> > > And?>and ?go if you like to go...just for the fun of it...or dont bother at all...to keep one foot on the any path and the other one in the Self is only going to create suffering......iietsa So, pretending there is no seeking ends the suffering? Surely you know it does not. Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:34:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > iietsa writes:> > > all paths leads to the heaven...> and all paths leads aways from heaven...> it all depends on where one is stabilized...> > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak...> and therefor the path he is on is good and true...> and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth...> and therefor are useless and false... > ...iietsa> > > there is no one moving.> > > > all paths lead to more paths.> > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth.> > > > .b b.b.> > if there is no one moving...> ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ?> > > > ****Hmmmm, must be a paradox formed by mixing contexts, pointing to the > boundaries of the author's understanding. > > Phil> it is because one identifies with a specific understanding that there is misunderstanding...the Self is beyond understanding and misunderstanding...if you see me as a thing with boundaries...it is just because you take yourself for a thing with boundaries......when you talk (of another) you talk only of yourself......iietsa Okay, A) I was referring to Roberibus. B) Pointing to another and claiming that since we are all reflections of each other, 'what you see is just your reflection while what I see is the truth about what you see', is borderline unconsciousness and it might be time to wake the hell up. Ego would love to believe that when it hears something it doesn't like, it has nothing to do with it, but why is it that the mirror only reflects one way? In a similar way that Boobyhead is here to bestow his divine grace upon the worthy among us, I'd be happy to be your alarm clock, as I try to kick my own butt in gear and stop screwing around. THAT'S how mirrors work. It is about both of us. All of it is about all of us. PhilPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:40:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: they are like a song that takes you to your own home if you listens to them without the intefering mind...in fact all words are...it is not the words that are good or bad...it is the mind that colors everything...and when the mind is not there to direct anymore...listening is pure...and when listening is pure nothing leads you home...you are you......iietsa There ya go! Look how much listening and looking has happened since you posted the "mere words" thread. That's what I want my reflection to look like. Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/10/2008 12:47:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: > > So, pretending there is no seeking ends the suffering? Surely you know it > does not.> > Phil> pretending there is seeking...or pretending there is no seeking...is the same...non of them will end suffering...because in both cases there is identification as the pretender...and it is when one identifies with that pretender that suffering is asked for...stay apart from everything that is happening to you...all colors...all names...all forms...all and everything...and you will see the pretender acting out his role on its own......iietsa I do see it 'acting out its rolls', though if you look deeper you'll see there are no actors and no rolls, just You forming your own experience and experiencing it. The concept that there is some conditioned vehicle present is not true. You are not apart from what is happening. You ARE the happening itself. The idea that you can stand apart from it is just concepts and ego projection. Who is the one standing apart from something? Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/10/2008 1:13:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: > Okay, A) I was referring to Roberibus. B) Pointing to another and claiming > that since we are all reflections of each other, 'what you see is just your > reflection while what I see is the truth about what you see', is borderline > unconsciousness and it might be time to wake the hell up. Ego would love to > believe that when it hears something it doesn't like, it has nothing to do with > it, but why is it that the mirror only reflects one way? In a similar way that > Boobyhead is here to bestow his divine grace upon the worthy among us, I'd be > happy to be your alarm clock, as I try to kick my own butt in gear and stop > screwing around. THAT'S how mirrors work. It is about both of us. All of it > is about all of us.> > Phil(the only enemy I had was my own stupidity...)so I learned about that by staying with it for some time...in fact loved it like a childs play...the powers of this appearing grow weaker and weaker...and in the end it appeared like a fish in a bowl...swimming around all by itself with no powers over me...all I see is the mind...the fish in the bowl...there was a time when I had the impression that I was a fish among other fishes...but the moment I learned about (my own fish) I learned about (the other fishes) so to speak...and understood that I was not the fish and that there are no OTHER fishes either...only the one bowl with moving water...all going on by itself......iietsa Groovy, and so it would appear that you are not the fish, and I am not the fish. So, now what? PhilPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/10/2008 1:18:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:40:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes:> > > they are like a song that takes you to your own home if you listens > to them without the intefering mind...in fact all words are...> it is not the words that are good or bad...it is the mind that colors > everything...and when the mind is not there to direct > anymore...listening is pure...and when listening is pure nothing > leads you home...you are you...> ...iietsa> > > > There ya go! Look how much listening and looking has happened since you > posted the "mere words" thread. That's what I want my reflection to look like. > > Phil> so...the song is singing itself...and it is of no importance whatsoever......mere words that does not matter at all...because there is noone that it could matter to...and that because the someone that it could matter to is also part of the song......iietsa Yesterday, I saw 'Ashes and Snow' for the first time. Very powerful images. There was a quote I loved. "The whale does not sing because it has something to say. It sings because it has a song." Yes, the song is singing itself. To ask why is to miss the song. To say it doesn't matter, is to go deaf and dumb. Why did You set the stars in the sky? Do they matter? You see? Just by asking, the sky turns black. Phil PhilPlanning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/10/2008 2:21:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: > Yesterday, I saw 'Ashes and Snow' for the first time. Very powerful images. > There was a quote I loved. "The whale does not sing because it has something > to say. It sings because it has a song." Yes, the song is singing itself. To > ask why is to miss the song. To say it doesn't matter, is to go deaf and dumb. > Why did You set the stars in the sky? Do they matter? You see? Just by a> sking, the sky turns black.> > Phil> > Phil> why want everything to have a meaning...?is it because the mind creates everything...and wants it to be important...cant you see that the mind wants to sit in the kings-chair...dictating and directing...even if it tries to fool you and say no no I am your servant...even when it says that nothing matters it is still the same snake...but behind that snake or beyond that personal mind is the pure mind that sees everything as useless...without color...without value......iietsa I don't want everything to have meaning. That wasn't my point. Meaning/no meaning is the way mind would have it broken down, and so you have broken it. There's nothing that sees everything as useless. Useless is the dualistic polarity to useful. What is this 'pure mind'? Is this what you identify yourself as? You mean a mind without an ego overlay, like that of an 'Awakened' one who sees joy and beauty and perfection in everything? That mind? Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:28:41 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > > > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > > > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > > > > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > > > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > > > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > > > and therefor are useless and false... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > And? > > > and ? > go if you like to go...just for the fun of it... > or dont bother at all... > to keep one foot on the any path and the other one in the Self > is only going to create suffering... > ...iietsa > > > > So, pretending there is no seeking ends the suffering? Surely you know it > does not. > > Phil > pretending there is seeking... or pretending there is no seeking...is the same... non of them will end suffering... because in both cases there is identification as the pretender... and it is when one identifies with that pretender that suffering is asked for... stay apart from everything that is happening to you... all colors...all names...all forms...all and everything... and you will see the pretender acting out his role on its own... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:34:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/8/2008 1:17:58 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > iietsa@ writes: > > > > > > all paths leads to the heaven... > > and all paths leads aways from heaven... > > it all depends on where one is stabilized... > > > > the seeker is always on his way to reach heaven so to speak... > > and therefor the path he is on is good and true... > > and to the realized man all paths leads away from truth... > > and therefor are useless and false... > > ...iietsa > > > > > there is no one moving. > > > > > > all paths lead to more paths. > > > > > > the path you point to is leading you afar from Truth. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > if there is no one moving... > > ...how can some paths be leading afar from truth ? > > > > > > > > ****Hmmmm, must be a paradox formed by mixing contexts, pointing to > the > > boundaries of the author's understanding. > > > > Phil > > > > it is because one identifies with a specific understanding that there > is misunderstanding... > the Self is beyond understanding and misunderstanding... > if you see me as a thing with boundaries...it is just because you > take yourself for a thing with boundaries... > ...when you talk (of another) you talk only of yourself... > ...iietsa > > > > Okay, A) I was referring to Roberibus. B) Pointing to another and claiming > that since we are all reflections of each other, 'what you see is just your > reflection while what I see is the truth about what you see', is borderline > unconsciousness and it might be time to wake the hell up. Ego would love to > believe that when it hears something it doesn't like, it has nothing to do with > it, but why is it that the mirror only reflects one way? In a similar way that > Boobyhead is here to bestow his divine grace upon the worthy among us, I'd be > happy to be your alarm clock, as I try to kick my own butt in gear and stop > screwing around. THAT'S how mirrors work. It is about both of us. All of it > is about all of us. > > Phil (the only enemy I had was my own stupidity...) so I learned about that by staying with it for some time... in fact loved it like a childs play... the powers of this appearing grow weaker and weaker... and in the end it appeared like a fish in a bowl... swimming around all by itself with no powers over me... all I see is the mind...the fish in the bowl... there was a time when I had the impression that I was a fish among other fishes...but the moment I learned about (my own fish) I learned about (the other fishes) so to speak...and understood that I was not the fish and that there are no OTHER fishes either...only the one bowl with moving water...all going on by itself... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:40:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > they are like a song that takes you to your own home if you listens > to them without the intefering mind...in fact all words are... > it is not the words that are good or bad...it is the mind that colors > everything...and when the mind is not there to direct > anymore...listening is pure...and when listening is pure nothing > leads you home...you are you... > ...iietsa > > > > There ya go! Look how much listening and looking has happened since you > posted the " mere words " thread. That's what I want my reflection to look like. > > Phil > so...the song is singing itself... and it is of no importance whatsoever... ....mere words that does not matter at all... because there is noone that it could matter to... and that because the someone that it could matter to is also part of the song... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/10/2008 12:47:42 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > > > So, pretending there is no seeking ends the suffering? Surely you > know it > > does not. > > > > Phil > > > > pretending there is seeking... > or pretending there is no seeking...is the same... > non of them will end suffering... > because in both cases there is identification as the pretender... > and it is when one identifies with that pretender that suffering is > asked for... > stay apart from everything that is happening to you... > all colors...all names...all forms...all and everything... > and you will see the pretender acting out his role on its own... > ...iietsa > > > > I do see it 'acting out its rolls', though if you look deeper you'll see > there are no actors and no rolls, just You forming your own experience and > experiencing it. The concept that there is some conditioned vehicle present is not > true. > > You are not apart from what is happening. You ARE the happening itself. The > idea that you can stand apart from it is just concepts and ego projection. Who > is the one standing apart from something? > > Phil > I can not catch it in words for you... words mean nothing to me... words are like an old skin to a dead snake... the snake is dead so naturaly there is no need for a skin... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/10/2008 1:13:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > Okay, A) I was referring to Roberibus. B) Pointing to another and > claiming > > that since we are all reflections of each other, 'what you see is > just your > > reflection while what I see is the truth about what you see', is > borderline > > unconsciousness and it might be time to wake the hell up. Ego would > love to > > believe that when it hears something it doesn't like, it has > nothing to do with > > it, but why is it that the mirror only reflects one way? In a > similar way that > > Boobyhead is here to bestow his divine grace upon the worthy among > us, I'd be > > happy to be your alarm clock, as I try to kick my own butt in gear > and stop > > screwing around. THAT'S how mirrors work. It is about both of us. > All of it > > is about all of us. > > > > Phil > > (the only enemy I had was my own stupidity...) > so I learned about that by staying with it for some time... > in fact loved it like a childs play... > the powers of this appearing grow weaker and weaker... > and in the end it appeared like a fish in a bowl... > swimming around all by itself with no powers over me... > all I see is the mind...the fish in the bowl... > there was a time when I had the impression that I was a fish among > other fishes...but the moment I learned about (my own fish) I learned > about (the other fishes) so to speak...and understood that I was not > the fish and that there are no OTHER fishes either...only the one > bowl with moving water...all going on by itself... > ...iietsa > > > > Groovy, and so it would appear that you are not the fish, and I am not the > fish. So, now what? > > Phil > happenings will appear or they will not... they are all empty...nothing...til the mind gives them a color... call it good or bad...then the whole thing starts again if there is identification... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/10/2008 1:18:10 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/9/2008 10:40:14 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > iietsa@ writes: > > > > > > they are like a song that takes you to your own home if you > listens > > to them without the intefering mind...in fact all words are... > > it is not the words that are good or bad...it is the mind that > colors > > everything...and when the mind is not there to direct > > anymore...listening is pure...and when listening is pure nothing > > leads you home...you are you... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > There ya go! Look how much listening and looking has happened since > you > > posted the " mere words " thread. That's what I want my reflection to > look like. > > > > Phil > > > so...the song is singing itself... > and it is of no importance whatsoever... > ...mere words that does not matter at all... > because there is noone that it could matter to... > and that because the someone that it could matter to is also part of > the song... > ...iietsa > > > > Yesterday, I saw 'Ashes and Snow' for the first time. Very powerful images. > There was a quote I loved. " The whale does not sing because it has something > to say. It sings because it has a song. " Yes, the song is singing itself. To > ask why is to miss the song. To say it doesn't matter, is to go deaf and dumb. > Why did You set the stars in the sky? Do they matter? You see? Just by a > sking, the sky turns black. > > Phil > > Phil > why want everything to have a meaning...? is it because the mind creates everything... and wants it to be important... cant you see that the mind wants to sit in the kings-chair... dictating and directing... even if it tries to fool you and say no no I am your servant... even when it says that nothing matters it is still the same snake... but behind that snake or beyond that personal mind is the pure mind that sees everything as useless...without color...without value... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/10/2008 2:21:00 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > iietsa writes: > > > Yesterday, I saw 'Ashes and Snow' for the first time. Very powerful > images. > > There was a quote I loved. " The whale does not sing because it has > something > > to say. It sings because it has a song. " Yes, the song is singing > itself. To > > ask why is to miss the song. To say it doesn't matter, is to go > deaf and dumb. > > Why did You set the stars in the sky? Do they matter? You see? > Just by a > > sking, the sky turns black. > > > > Phil > > > > Phil > > > > why want everything to have a meaning...? > is it because the mind creates everything... > and wants it to be important... > cant you see that the mind wants to sit in the kings-chair... > dictating and directing... > even if it tries to fool you and say no no I am your servant... > even when it says that nothing matters it is still the same snake... > but behind that snake or beyond that personal mind is the pure mind > that sees everything as useless...without color...without value... > ...iietsa > > > > I don't want everything to have meaning. That wasn't my point. Meaning/no > meaning is the way mind would have it broken down, and so you have broken it. > There's nothing that sees everything as useless. Useless is the dualistic > polarity to useful. > > What is this 'pure mind'? Is this what you identify yourself as? You mean a > mind without an ego overlay, like that of an 'Awakened' one who sees joy and > beauty and perfection in everything? That mind? > > Phil > to grab one fish and say...I am this fish...is the personal mind... and to see this...and say I am this unpersonal mind...is still mind... and to see this without grabbing or doing anything about it is to be who one is...no-mind... most people are mixed up with the fish... and some are mixed up with the water... and some with all of it... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 In a message dated 4/10/2008 3:46:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, iietsa writes: > I don't want everything to have meaning. That wasn't my point. Meaning/no > meaning is the way mind would have it broken down, and so you have broken it. > There's nothing that sees everything as useless. Useless is the dualistic > polarity to useful. > > What is this 'pure mind'? Is this what you identify yourself as? You mean a > mind without an ego overlay, like that of an 'Awakened' one who sees joy and > beauty and perfection in everything? That mind?> > Phil> to grab one fish and say...I am this fish...is the personal mind...and to see this...and say I am this unpersonal mind...is still mind...and to see this without grabbing or doing anything about it is to be who one is...no-mind...most people are mixed up with the fish...and some are mixed up with the water...and some with all of it......iietsa You cannot float freely, neither identifying with the fish nor the space which the fish bowl inhabits. It's just a mind game. What do you know yourself to be? Phil Planning your summer road trip? Check out AOL Travel Guides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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