Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 In a message dated 30/04/2008 9:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, mi_nok writes: Toombebe/ Sooo, are we allowed to challenge said wisdom, or is it an imbibing thingy only? Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 30/04/2008 9:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > mi_nok writes: > > _ > Toombebe/_ > (Toombebe/) > > > > Sooo, are we allowed to challenge said wisdom, or is it an imbibing thingy > only? > > > > The tidbits forthcoming from toombaru are tossed into the arena for the sole purpose of an honest inquiry into the nature of self. They are not presumed to be fact but are merely speculations open to discussion. In the past..........there are those who will persistently attack the author and make little or no comment on the actual content of the post. There are those who are more concerned with the quantity of the posts and generally refrain from any actual debate concerning ideas presented. Any comment....pro of con....is deeply appreciated. If they are vulnerable to logic......they should be amended or discarded. I......like you..........and just trying to figure out what in the hell is going on in this most mysterious..................................what-ever-it-is. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:00:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: Ha !Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried it ?No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of "honstestly" inquiring.All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry.And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up since early childhood. ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's possible for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly be. Forget about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as quickly as possible. Phil Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car listings at AOL Autos. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:37:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > lastrain writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 30/04/2008 9:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > mi_nok@ writes: > > > > _ > > Toombebe/_ > > (Toombebe/) > > > > > > > > Sooo, are we allowed to challenge said wisdom, or is it an imbibing thingy > > > only? > > > > > > > > > > > The tidbits forthcoming from toombaru are tossed into the arena for the sole > purpose of > an honest inquiry into the nature of self. Ha ! Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried it ? No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " inquiring. All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up since early childhood. One cannot enquire one's biography, one has no access to it. But gabbling about self-enquiry goes on and on. Werner > > They are not presumed to be fact but are merely speculations open to > discussion. > > In the past..........there are those who will persistently attack the author > and make little or > no comment on the actual content of the post. > > There are those who are more concerned with the quantity of the posts and > generally > refrain from any actual debate concerning ideas presented. > > Any comment....pro of con....is deeply appreciated. > > If they are vulnerable to logic......they should be amended or discarded. > > I......like you..........and just trying to figure out what in the hell is > going on in this most > mysterious..................................what-ever-it-is. > > > > :-) > > > > toombaru > > > > ***Okay, cool beans. I'll bring the beer and drop by for a look see. > Phil > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:00:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > Ha ! > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried > it ? > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > inquiring. > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up > since early childhood. > > > > ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's possible > for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly be. Forget > about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as quickly as > possible. > > Phil > Surely, For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get slaughtered his holy goose " Self-Inquiry " becuae his whole show-off is based on it. Where to is gone all that " honesty " ? It is not gone, it never was there. Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity. Werner > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. used car > listings at AOL Autos. > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 4/30/2008 8:37:19 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 30/04/2008 9:38:32 PM Eastern Daylight Time, > > > mi_nok@ writes: > > > > > > _ > > > Toombebe/_ > > > (Toombebe/) > > > > > > > > > > > > Sooo, are we allowed to challenge said wisdom, or is it an > imbibing thingy > > > > > only? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The tidbits forthcoming from toombaru are tossed into the arena > for the sole > > purpose of > > an honest inquiry into the nature of self. > > > Ha ! > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried > it ? > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > inquiring. > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up > since early childhood. > > One cannot enquire one's biography, one has no access to it. > > But gabbling about self-enquiry goes on and on. > > Werner > Darling Werner, let go and come on down... tis too lofty a perch. There is no failure when one sings his song... Love you, Anna p.s. all songs are welcome... esp. ones like me who can carry no tune to save their life... > > > > > > > They are not presumed to be fact but are merely speculations open > to > > discussion. > > > > In the past..........there are those who will persistently attack > the author > > and make little or > > no comment on the actual content of the post. > > > > There are those who are more concerned with the quantity of the > posts and > > generally > > refrain from any actual debate concerning ideas presented. > > > > Any comment....pro of con....is deeply appreciated. > > > > If they are vulnerable to logic......they should be amended or > discarded. > > > > I......like you..........and just trying to figure out what in the > hell is > > going on in this most > > mysterious..................................what-ever-it-is. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > ***Okay, cool beans. I'll bring the beer and drop by for a look > see. > > Phil > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:00:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > wwoehr@ writes: > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever > tried > > it ? > > > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible > to > > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > > inquiring. > > > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built > up > > since early childhood. > > > > > > > > ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's > possible > > for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly > be. Forget > > about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as > quickly as > > possible. > > > > Phil > > > > > Surely, > > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > slaughtered his holy goose " Self-Inquiry " becuae his whole show-off > is based on it. > > Where to is gone all that " honesty " ? It is not gone, it never was > there. > > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity. > > Werner Phil is direct and clear - a 'vane guru' indeed - if you need to look North, he points North, if you need to look South, he points South. all the best from David Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:00:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > wwoehr@ writes: > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever > tried > > it ? > > > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible > to > > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > > inquiring. > > > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built > up > > since early childhood. > > > > > > > > ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's > possible > > for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly > be. Forget > > about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as > quickly as > > possible. > > > > Phil > > > > > Surely, > > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > slaughtered his holy goose " Self-Inquiry " becuae his whole show-off > is based on it. > > Where to is gone all that " honesty " ? It is not gone, it never was > there. > > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity. > > Werner P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > used car > > listings at AOL Autos. > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 > > Ha ! > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried > it ? > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > inquiring. > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up > since early childhood. > > One cannot enquire one's biography, one has no access to it. > > But gabbling about self-enquiry goes on and on. > > Werner > > The illusion of self evolved to look only outward. It's function is not to look inward....because....let's face it.....there is simply nothing " in there " . It is a mechanical device whose job is to scan the material and the psychological horizon for things that could harm its ability to survive and reproduce. A few......malcontents.....turn inward hoping to find the elusive happiness they were designed to seek.....and finding nothing.......turn back to rhe familiar. A very few continue to search......and if conditions are just right....the apperception that there never was anything to find dawns and percolates down through the dream. The self looses its opacity and the Naturalness shines through. When that happens.........some go back into the play and speak of their experience. Some write a book and develop a following. Some simply watch as the mystery flows through who they are......and smile. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 In a message dated 01/05/2008 7:38:11 AM Eastern Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: > > > ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's possible > for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly be. Forget > about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as quickly as > possible.>> Phil>Surely,For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get slaughtered his holy goose "Self-Inquiry" becuae his whole show-off is based on it.Where to is gone all that "honesty" ? It is not gone, it never was there.Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity.Werner ****Don't hate me cause I'm beautiful. HA!Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 1, 2008 Report Share Posted May 1, 2008 In a message dated 01/05/2008 7:50:31 AM Eastern Daylight Time, kailashana writes: > > Ha !> > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried > it ?> > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of "honstestly" > inquiring.> > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry.> > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up > since early childhood.> > One cannot enquire one's biography, one has no access to it.> > But gabbling about self-enquiry goes on and on.> > Werner> Darling Werner, let go and come on down... tis too lofty a perch.There is no failure when one sings his song...Love you,Annap.s. all songs are welcome... esp. ones like me who can carry no tuneto save their life... ****It's more fun here on the ground, but ya gotta watch out for the elephant dung. Whew! La-la-lAaaAaAaAaaWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 In a message dated 01/05/2008 1:12:15 PM Pacific Daylight Time, davaldr writes: > > Surely,> > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > slaughtered his holy goose "Self-Inquiry" becuae his whole show-off > is based on it.> > Where to is gone all that "honesty" ? It is not gone, it never was > there.> > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity.> > Werner Phil is direct and clear - a 'vane guru' indeed - if you need tolook North, he points North, if you need to look South, he points South. all the best from David ****Hey, thanks for feeding my vane-ity, David. Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 In a message dated 01/05/2008 1:32:13 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > Ha !> > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever tried > it ?> > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible to > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of "honstestly" > inquiring.> > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry.> > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built up > since early childhood.> > One cannot enquire one's biography, one has no access to it.> > But gabbling about self-enquiry goes on and on.> > Werner> > The illusion of self evolved to look only outward.It's function is not to look inward....because....let's face it.....there is simply nothing "in there".It is a mechanical device whose job is to scan the material and the psychological horizon for things that could harm its ability to survive and reproduce.A few......malcontents.....turn inward hoping to find the elusive happiness they were designed to seek.....and finding nothing.......turn back to rhe familiar.A very few continue to search......and if conditions are just right....the apperception that there never was anything to find dawns and percolates down through the dream.The self looses its opacity and the Naturalness shines through.When that happens.........some go back into the play and speak of their experience.Some write a book and develop a following.Some simply watch as the mystery flows through who they are......and smile.toombaru Purdy nice. Guess I'll take a look see at that there forum of yuorin. PhilWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 > The illusion of self evolved to look only outward. > > It's function is not to look inward....because....let's face it.....there is simply nothing " in > there " . > > It is a mechanical device whose job is to scan the material and the psychological horizon > for things that could harm its ability to survive and reproduce. > > A few......malcontents.....turn inward hoping to find the elusive happiness they were > designed to seek.....and finding nothing.......turn back to rhe familiar. > > A very few continue to search......and if conditions are just right....the apperception that > there never was anything to find dawns and percolates down through the dream. > > The self looses its opacity and the Naturalness shines through. > > When that happens.........some go back into the play and speak of their experience. > > Some write a book and develop a following. > > Some simply watch as the mystery flows through who they are......and smile. toombaru > I'm happy for you that with the coming of the internet your life has found some sort of meaning again. And I'm also happy for you that your flock of Angels, with hearts of light - brighter than bright, and words of sugar - sweeter than sweet, on ToomBebe can't get enough of such impressive words of wisdom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 5/1/2008 2:00:29 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > > wwoehr@ writes: > > > > > > > > > Ha ! > > > > > > Honestly inquiring into the nature of the self - have you ever > > tried > > > it ? > > > > > > No, you didn't, else you would have realized that it is impossible > > to > > > enquire into the nature of the self - not to speak of " honstestly " > > > inquiring. > > > > > > All that self-enquiry is just hypocritical gabbling because no one > > > will admit that he or she failed with all that miraculous enquiry. > > > > > > And it has to fail because consciousness only reflects for a short > > > moment just for the time being a very tiny cut-out of that vast > > > unconscious and subconsicous biographical hidden storehouse built > > up > > > since early childhood. > > > > > > > > > > > > ****What in blazes does all that mean? Just look and see if it's > > possible > > > for you to be something you can see. Notice what you can't possibly > > be. Forget > > > about cut-outs of subconscious biographical hidden storehouses as > > quickly as > > > possible. > > > > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Surely, > > > > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > > slaughtered his holy goose " Self-Inquiry " becuae his whole show- off > > is based on it. > > > > Where to is gone all that " honesty " ? It is not gone, it never was > > there. > > > > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity. > > > > Werner > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > but how about inquiring about false identification? Hi Pete, Interesting - false identification. What's that ? I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > **************Need a new ride? Check out the largest site for U.S. > > used car > > > listings at AOL Autos. > > > (http://autos.aol.com/used?NCID=aolcmp00300000002851) > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > Hi Pete, > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ? > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > Werner P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, even identify with a no center at all. So let's rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 In a message dated 02/05/2008 1:36:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: > > Surely,> > > > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > > slaughtered his holy goose "Self-Inquiry" becuae his whole show-off > > is based on it.> > > > Where to is gone all that "honesty" ? It is not gone, it never was > > there.> > > > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity.> > > > Werner> > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self,> but how about inquiring about false identification? Hi Pete,Ingteresting - false identity. What's that ?I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite of "true identification" ? If yes, then could you please explain what is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is.Werner ***I hear Ginko is really good for the memory.....or is it Ginseng? I forget. Al........no, wait!....Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ? > > > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > > > Werner > > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is > a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, > yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter > with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, > even identify with a no center at all. So let's > rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. > A: Can we agree that humanity has evolved to the point where the talking monkey can inquire? Anything and everything under the sun is fair game, so to speak. Can we agree that every scientifically and religiously ordained " finding or truth " is a result of that inquiry? Can we say that all inquiry leads to the direct knowledge that we know absolutely nothing about nothing, in the end, and all of our inquires has brought us to this precarious ledge on the outskirts of human thought? Can we say and know that craving-desire and it's resulting antithesis aversion-denial are like two appendages, more often than not, surgically removed by an inquiring mind--a " person' of contemplation and meditation? Much phantom pain and much regeneration resulting in its aftermath... We have absolutely know idea, do we, why we are here, who we are, and what we are here to " accomplish " ? Scary stuff unless one is *comfortable* sitting on the edge and taking the fall every once in awhile. And then again we can choose love. Whatever that means to whomever it would apply. Cheers... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ? > > > > > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > > > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > > > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is > > a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, > > yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter > > with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, > > even identify with a no center at all. So let's > > rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. > > > > > A: Can we agree that humanity has evolved to the point where the > talking monkey can inquire? Anything and everything under the sun > is fair game, so to speak. Can we agree that every scientifically and > religiously ordained " finding or truth " is a result of that inquiry? > > Can we say that all inquiry leads to the direct knowledge that we know > absolutely nothing about nothing, in the end, and all of our inquires > has brought us to this precarious ledge on the outskirts of human > thought? > > Can we say and know that craving-desire and it's resulting antithesis > aversion-denial are like two appendages, more often than not, > surgically removed by an inquiring mind--a " person' of contemplation > and meditation? Much phantom pain and much regeneration resulting in > its aftermath... > > We have absolutely know idea, do we, why we are here, who we are, and > what we are here to " accomplish " ? Scary stuff unless one is > *comfortable* sitting on the edge and taking the fall every once in > awhile. > > And then again we can choose love. Whatever that means to whomever it > would apply. > > Cheers... > What if the " we " simply did not exist? Factor out the self.....and what is left of its world? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > > > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > > > > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ? > > > > > > > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > > > > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > > > > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is > > > a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, > > > yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter > > > with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, > > > even identify with a no center at all. So let's > > > rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. > > > > > > > > > A: Can we agree that humanity has evolved to the point where the > > talking monkey can inquire? Anything and everything under the sun > > is fair game, so to speak. Can we agree that every scientifically and > > religiously ordained " finding or truth " is a result of that inquiry? > > > > Can we say that all inquiry leads to the direct knowledge that we know > > absolutely nothing about nothing, in the end, and all of our inquires > > has brought us to this precarious ledge on the outskirts of human > > thought? > > > > Can we say and know that craving-desire and it's resulting antithesis > > aversion-denial are like two appendages, more often than not, > > surgically removed by an inquiring mind--a " person' of contemplation > > and meditation? Much phantom pain and much regeneration resulting in > > its aftermath... > > > > We have absolutely know idea, do we, why we are here, who we are, and > > what we are here to " accomplish " ? Scary stuff unless one is > > *comfortable* sitting on the edge and taking the fall every once in > > awhile. > > > > And then again we can choose love. Whatever that means to whomever it > > would apply. > > > > Cheers... > > > > > > > What if the " we " simply did not exist? > > Factor out the self.....and what is left of its world? > > > > > toombaru > THAT is something neither one of us can do. *as long as you are signing as.... toombaru and i am signing.... as anna.* Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ? > > > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > > > Werner > > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is > a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, > yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter > with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, > even identify with a no center at all. So let's > rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. > Ok, Pete, I don't know if there is such a thing as craving to identify, but there defenitely is a craving to be identifiable, to be a someone. If there is someone whom I admire then I want to be like that person, to become too idetifiable as an admirable person. That process is a security strategy, to be an attractive member within a group. The attractive one gets sustained and the unattractive one gets kicked onto the garbage dump. And the latter one has got an identity problem Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 2, 2008 Report Share Posted May 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 02/05/2008 1:36:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > > Surely, > > > > > > For every would-be guru like you it must be a horror to get > > > slaughtered his holy goose " Self-Inquiry " becuae his whole show- > off > > > is based on it. > > > > > > Where to is gone all that " honesty " ? It is not gone, it never > was > > > there. > > > > > > Do what you want, self-inquiry is a myth, a bubble, and does not > > > exist besides in your phantasy, in your vane guru identity. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Well, OK, No one can inquire about the self, > > but how about inquiring about false identification? > > > Hi Pete, > > Ingteresting - false identity. What's that ? > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite > of " true identification " ? If yes, then could you please explain what > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is. > > Werner > > > > ***I hear Ginko is really good for the memory.....or is it Ginseng? I forget. > Al........no, wait!....Phil > > Fine, Phil And now - can you tell me the difference between self-inquiry and self-knowledge ? If you honestly and seriously think about ít then you must realize that self-inquiry is nonsense, it does not exist, no one can inquire himself. Werner > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 In a message dated 02/05/2008 10:40:30 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > > > Hi Pete,> > > > Interesting - false identification. What's that ?> > > > I never before have read such an expression. Is it the opposite> > of "true identification" ? If yes, then could you please explain what> > is true identification ? I also have no idea what that is.> > > > Werner> > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is> a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false,> yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter> with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion,> even identify with a no center at all. So let's> rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry.>I'm thinking that the spurious self is not only the result if identification but is also the process of identifying.toombaru ***It really seems quite reasonable. There's this focal point of perception where sights, sounds, thought, feeling, etc, kinda bang up against, and the stuff that bangs up against this focal point seems to be separate and unique from that which bangs up against other apparent focal points. It's not that anybody had to convince us that there's a person here, it seems pretty obvious......at least until we look more closely. Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 > > > > P: Ha, ha! Very good catch! False identification is > > a redundancy, is it not? All identifications are false, > > yet there is this innate craving to identify no matter > > with what: a body, a group, a belief, a nation, a notion, > > even identify with a no center at all. So let's > > rephrase, that craving deserves inquiry. > > > > > I'm thinking that the spurious self is not only the result if identification but is also the > process of identifying. > > > toombaru P: Yes, and also it's part of the mental defense mechanism. To fight we need something to fight for, even if its just a flag, a national anthem, or just a few memories and an ID card. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 3, 2008 Report Share Posted May 3, 2008 In a message dated 02/05/2008 10:43:55 AM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > A: Can we agree that humanity has evolved to the point where the> talking monkey can inquire? Anything and everything under the sun> is fair game, so to speak. Can we agree that every scientifically and> religiously ordained "finding or truth" is a result of that inquiry?> > Can we say that all inquiry leads to the direct knowledge that we know> absolutely nothing about nothing, in the end, and all of our inquires> has brought us to this precarious ledge on the outskirts of human> thought? > > Can we say and know that craving-desire and it's resulting antithesis> aversion-denial are like two appendages, more often than not,> surgically removed by an inquiring mind--a "person' of contemplation> and meditation? Much phantom pain and much regeneration resulting in> its aftermath...> > We have absolutely know idea, do we, why we are here, who we are, and> what we are here to "accomplish"? Scary stuff unless one is> *comfortable* sitting on the edge and taking the fall every once in> awhile.> > And then again we can choose love. Whatever that means to whomever it> would apply. > > Cheers...>What if the "we" simply did not exist?Factor out the self.....and what is left of its world?toombaru ***Welp, the world seems to remain whether there's a self that it is happening to or not. Something that few seem to ask is, is the person needed? Does it all come tumbling down if there is no person, or does it all pretty much go on just as before? Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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