Guest guest Posted May 6, 2008 Report Share Posted May 6, 2008 These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even themselves. All they touched turned to ashes. Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, beyond the argumentations of the mind and they will follow you to the world's end. Nisargadatta Maharaj Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even themselves. > All they touched turned to ashes. > Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, > beyond the argumentations of the mind > and they will follow you to the world's end. > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > Innate within the assumption of the autonomous self is the religiosity that answers the nagging questions about its origin and destiny. The self and the religious mind are one and the same. The belief in a god or a guru is essentially the same phenomena.....something all knowing that can save the poor supplicant from its delusional nightmare. It is all a self reinforcing exercise that can be cut short if one delves deeply in the the nature of self. The root of delusion can be cut..........but not by some authority that the self invents. It's time to give the gods and the gurus their bags. Its time to kick their asses out. -Yawn... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 In a message dated 5/7/2008 2:08:04 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , "Johan" <yohansky wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> > wrote:> >> > > > > > > > These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even > themselves. > > All they touched turned to ashes. > > Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, > > beyond the argumentations of the mind > > and they will follow you to the world's end. > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj> >> > Innate within the assumption of the autonomous self is the > religiosity that> answers the> nagging questions about its origin and destiny.> > > The self and the religious mind are one and the same.> > > The belief in a god or a guru is essentially the same > phenomena.....something> all knowing> that can save the poor supplicant from its delusional nightmare.> > > It is all a self reinforcing exercise that can be cut short if one > delves deeply ?> in the the> nature of self.Ok, Johan,Also to you that question, who delves deeply into the nature of the self, who is doing that ?Are there two selves ? One is doing its job and the other one is delving deeply into its nature ?Or is there only one self which does observe itself from moment to moment ?Or isn't there any self at all, and all that self-observation and delving deeply into it is just a delsuion caused by thought which maitains to be the doer, to be the observer, the inquirer, the investigator ?Thought is verbal and it is created by the brain in order to eventually get commnuciated like: Yada, yada, yada ...In reality there is neither an observer, nor a doer, nor a delver, or nany other agent owning a separate existence.Werner ****But you still believe in Mickey mouse, don't you?? Don't tell me you've lost your Disney faith too!! Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 2008 Report Share Posted May 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even > themselves. > > All they touched turned to ashes. > > Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, > > beyond the argumentations of the mind > > and they will follow you to the world's end. > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > Innate within the assumption of the autonomous self is the > religiosity that > answers the > nagging questions about its origin and destiny. > > > The self and the religious mind are one and the same. > > > The belief in a god or a guru is essentially the same > phenomena.....something > all knowing > that can save the poor supplicant from its delusional nightmare. > > > It is all a self reinforcing exercise that can be cut short if one > delves deeply > in the the > nature of self. > Ok, Johan, Also to you that question, who delves deeply into the nature of the self, who is doing that ? Are there two selves ? One is doing its job and the other one is delving deeply into its nature ? Or is there only one self which does observe itself from moment to moment ? Or isn't there any self at all, and all that self-observation and delving deeply into it is just a delsuion caused by thought which maitains to be the doer, to be the observer, the inquirer, the investigator ? Thought is verbal and it is created by the brain in order to eventually get commnuciated: Yada, yada, yada ... In reality there is neither an observer, nor a doer, nor a delver, nor any other agent owing a separate existence. Werner > The root of delusion can be cut..........but not by some authority > that the self > invents. > > It's time to give the gods and the gurus their bags. > > Its time to kick their asses out. > > > -Yawn... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even > > themselves. > > > All they touched turned to ashes. > > > Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, > > > beyond the argumentations of the mind > > > and they will follow you to the world's end. > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > Innate within the assumption of the autonomous self is the > > religiosity that > > answers the > > nagging questions about its origin and destiny. > > > > > > The self and the religious mind are one and the same. > > > > > > The belief in a god or a guru is essentially the same > > phenomena.....something > > all knowing > > that can save the poor supplicant from its delusional nightmare. > > > > > > It is all a self reinforcing exercise that can be cut short if one > > delves deeply > > in the the > > nature of self. > > > > Ok, Johan, > > Also to you that question, who delves deeply into the nature of the > self, who is doing that ? > > Are there two selves ? One is doing its job and the other one is > delving deeply into its nature ? > > Or is there only one self which does observe itself from moment to > moment ? > > Or isn't there any self at all, and all that self-observation and > delving deeply into it is just a delsuion caused by thought which > maitains to be the doer, to be the observer, the inquirer, the > investigator ? > > Thought is verbal and it is created by the brain in order to > eventually get commnuciated: Yada, yada, yada ... > > In reality there is neither an observer, nor a doer, nor a delver, nor > any other agent owing a separate existence. > > Werner > > > > The root of delusion can be cut..........but not by some authority > > that the self > > invents. > > > > It's time to give the gods and the gurus their bags. > > > > Its time to kick their asses out. > > > > > > -Yawn... > > > Sorry Werner but the post you replied to was a previous message from Toomie, just a few weeks ago. I posted that to remind him of his own delusions, and his dripping tongue. Apology once again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 In a message dated 5/8/2008 12:41:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: > Sorry Werner but the post you replied to was a previous message from Toomie, just a few > weeks ago. I posted that to remind him of his own delusions, and his dripping tongue.> Apology once again.>Thanks, Johan,Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb :)And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve into the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no separate entity which would be able to do that delving.Werner ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; that there is no self. Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or did you read it somewhere? Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > These people do no trust either their parents or society, or even > > > themselves. > > > > All they touched turned to ashes. > > > > Give them one experience absolutely genuine, indubitable, > > > > beyond the argumentations of the mind > > > > and they will follow you to the world's end. > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta Maharaj > > > > > > > > > > Innate within the assumption of the autonomous self is the > > > religiosity that > > > answers the > > > nagging questions about its origin and destiny. > > > > > > > > > The self and the religious mind are one and the same. > > > > > > > > > The belief in a god or a guru is essentially the same > > > phenomena.....something > > > all knowing > > > that can save the poor supplicant from its delusional nightmare. > > > > > > > > > It is all a self reinforcing exercise that can be cut short if one > > > delves deeply > > > in the the > > > nature of self. > > > > > > > Ok, Johan, > > > > Also to you that question, who delves deeply into the nature of the > > self, who is doing that ? > > > > Are there two selves ? One is doing its job and the other one is > > delving deeply into its nature ? > > > > Or is there only one self which does observe itself from moment to > > moment ? > > > > Or isn't there any self at all, and all that self-observation and > > delving deeply into it is just a delsuion caused by thought which > > maitains to be the doer, to be the observer, the inquirer, the > > investigator ? > > > > Thought is verbal and it is created by the brain in order to > > eventually get commnuciated: Yada, yada, yada ... > > > > In reality there is neither an observer, nor a doer, nor a delver, nor > > any other agent owing a separate existence. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > The root of delusion can be cut..........but not by some authority > > > that the self > > > invents. > > > > > > It's time to give the gods and the gurus their bags. > > > > > > Its time to kick their asses out. > > > > > > > > > -Yawn... > > > > > > Sorry Werner but the post you replied to was a previous message from Toomie, just a few > weeks ago. I posted that to remind him of his own delusions, and his dripping tongue. > Apology once again. > Thanks, Johan, Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve into the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no separate entity which would be able to do that delving. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 12:41:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > Sorry Werner but the post you replied to was a previous message > from Toomie, just a few > > weeks ago. I posted that to remind him of his own delusions, and > his dripping tongue. > > Apology once again. > > > > > Thanks, Johan, > > Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb > > And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve into > the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no > separate entity which would be able to do that delving. > > Werner > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; > that there is no self. Phil, I ask you: Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or did you read it somewhere? And second, What please is auto mechanics ? In German " auto " is a car, short form of automobile. Werner > Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere? > > Phil > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 In a message dated 5/8/2008 2:54:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: > Thanks, Johan,> > Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb > > And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve into > the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no > separate entity which would be able to do that delving.> > Werner> > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; > that there is no self.Phil, I ask you:Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or did you read it somewhere?And second,What please is auto mechanics ? In German "auto" is a car, short form of automobile.Werner> Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere?> > Phil You won't answer the question and you don't know what auto mechanics is? Are you playing with me, Werner? Yes, car repair. It is delved into and things are learned about repairing cars. You don't abandon a career as an auto mechanic because there simply is no self to delve into auto mechanics. Or more to the point, you don't say. 'I know nothing of this so called auto you speak of, so how could it be delved into?'.......Or maybe that's what you just did. Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 2:54:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > Thanks, Johan, > > > > Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb > > > > And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve > into > > the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no > > separate entity which would be able to do that delving. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; > > that there is no self. > > > Phil, I ask you: > > Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere? > > And second, > > What please is auto mechanics ? In German " auto " is a car, short form > of automobile. > > Werner > > > > Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > > did you read it somewhere? > > > > Phil > > > > You won't answer the question and you don't know what auto mechanics is? Are > you playing with me, Werner? > > Yes, car repair. It is delved into and things are learned about repairing > cars. You don't abandon a career as an auto mechanic because there simply is no > self to delve into auto mechanics. Or more to the point, you don't say. 'I > know nothing of this so called auto you speak of, so how could it be delved > into?'.......Or maybe that's what you just did. > Phil > No, Phil, I don't play with you, why should I ? I simple didn't know that you too use the word auto for a car, same as we do in Germany. Now about delving into: Is there a difference between delving into auto mechanics and delving into the self ? Do you know the difference between a car and the self ? The car is build of a limited number of parts, but how about the self ? Does the self exist of parts you can investigate ? Or can you reconstruct the self from its parts ? Pour the self in a bucket, thouroughly shake it and then reconstruct the self from the parts in the bucket Can you show me some parts of that self ? What indicates to you the existence of a self ? Are Pavlovian reflexes of a dog caused by its self or make these refexes the self ? Is the opening of a rose bud a Pavlovian reflex to the morning sun ? Are conditioned reflexes part of the self, or are they already what is called the " self " ? Can you watch a single reflex which now at this moment is not active. Can you watch any characteristics of the self which at this moment are not active ? No, you can't - it is not possible. You can only know reactions which are active and eventually learning how they do repeat, and that learning is building the self-knowledge. A delving INTO the self is impossible. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 2008 Report Share Posted May 8, 2008 In a message dated 08/05/2008 1:54:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 5/8/2008 2:54:01 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes:> > > Thanks, Johan,> > > > Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb > > > > And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve > into > > the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no > > separate entity which would be able to do that delving.> > > > Werner> > > > > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; > > that there is no self.> > > Phil, I ask you:> > Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere?> > And second,> > What please is auto mechanics ? In German "auto" is a car, short form > of automobile.> > Werner> > > > Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > > did you read it somewhere?> > > > Phil> > > > You won't answer the question and you don't know what auto mechanics is? Are > you playing with me, Werner?> > Yes, car repair. It is delved into and things are learned about repairing > cars. You don't abandon a career as an auto mechanic because there simply is no > self to delve into auto mechanics. Or more to the point, you don't say. 'I > know nothing of this so called auto you speak of, so how could it be delved > into?'.......Or maybe that's what you just did.> Phil> No, Phil,I don't play with you, why should I ?I simple didn't know that you too use the word auto for a car, same as we do in Germany.Now about delving into:Is there a difference between delving into auto mechanics and delving into the self ?Do you know the difference between a car and the self ? The car is build of a limited number of parts, but how about the self ?Does the self exist of parts you can investigate ? Or can you reconstruct the self from its parts ?Pour the self in a bucket, thouroughly shake it and then reconstruct the self from the parts in the bucket :)Can you show me some parts of that self ? ***I didn't say auto mechanics was precisely the same as self mechanics. I didn't mean to imply an internal combustion self, and your comparison is an insincere purposeful avoidance of the point. If there is a self to explore auto mechanics, why is there not a self to explore self? Now, what this is that is ultimately exploring is the open question in self inquiry, and we're not trying to answer that question yet, we're still talking about whether or not it's possible to do. You have somehow concluded that it's not; that what is here exploring auto mechanics doesn't exist and therefore can't explore either self or auto mechanics. It's a little like running through the streets screaming "I don't exist!" If we're trying to identify what is nonsense, that one might secure a reservation for a padded cell. Phil What indicates to you the existence of a self ?Are Pavlovian reflexes of a dog caused by its self or make these refexes the self ? Is the opening of a rose bud a Pavlovian reflex to the morning sun ?Are conditioned reflexes part of the self, or are they already what is called the "self" ?Can you watch a single reflex which now at this moment is not active.Can you watch any characteristics of the self which at this moment are not active ?No, you can't - it is not possible. You can only know reactions which are active and eventually learning how they do repeat, and that learning is building the self-knowledge.A delving INTO the self is impossible.Werner Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 12:41:32 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > Sorry Werner but the post you replied to was a previous message > from Toomie, just a few > > weeks ago. I posted that to remind him of his own delusions, and > his dripping tongue. > > Apology once again. > > > > > Thanks, Johan, > > Seems I was half asleep when reading your exchange with Toomb > > And I am pleased that you share that view that one cannot delve into > the self because, first, there is no self, and there is also no > separate entity which would be able to do that delving. > > Werner > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; > that there is no self. Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere? > > Phil > " The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; " - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for there's nothing to realize...IMHO. J > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 In a message dated 5/8/2008 5:29:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yohansky writes: > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto mechanics? > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing; > that there is no self. Did you come to that realization by delving into it, or > did you read it somewhere?> > Phil>"The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very thing;"- That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for there's nothing to realize...IMHO.J ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see. Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 5:29:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > yohansky writes: > > > > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto > mechanics? > > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; > > that there is no self. Did you come to that realization by delving > into it, or > > did you read it somewhere? > > > > Phil > > > > " The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; " > > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > there's nothing to realize...IMHO. > J > > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see. > Phil > Phil, Is will the base of seeing ? You see because you want to see ? Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ? Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got the taste of moralism. Are you a moralist, Phil ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:36:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: > "The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing;"> > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > there's nothing to realize...IMHO.> J> > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see.> Phil> Phil,Is will the base of seeing ?You see because you want to see ?Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ?Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got the taste of moralism.Are you a moralist, Phil ?Werner ***HA! Yes, I'm know far and wide as the simple minded moralist. Heheeee Yer a quack up, Werner.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 In a message dated 09/05/2008 10:13:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie6 writes: > Phil,> > Is will the base of seeing ?> > You see because you want to see ?> > Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already > exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ?> > Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got > the taste of moralism.> > Are you a moralist, Phil ?> > Werner> > > > ***HA! Yes, I'm know far and wide as the simple minded moralist. Heheeee > Yer a quack up, Werner.P: Werner is being as kind as grandmother to you, you sleepy head. **Never suggested he was being unkind, but his mind does operate much as yours does. He knows what he knows and can see nothing that is not already circulating in his head. It's a bit like having a phone conversation with a deaf person. Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 In a message dated 09/05/2008 10:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana writes: > Where is Bob, by the way? Did he give up> on us? )...been wondering about that myself... Hey Bobji where u b?~a ***You miss the ego drama? Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:36:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > > " The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that > very > > thing; " > > > > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > > there's nothing to realize...IMHO. > > J > > > > > > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see. > > Phil > > > > > Phil, > > Is will the base of seeing ? > > You see because you want to see ? > > Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already > exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ? > > Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got > the taste of moralism. > > Are you a moralist, Phil ? > > Werner > > > > ***HA! Yes, I'm know far and wide as the simple minded moralist. Heheeee > Yer a quack up, Werner. P: Werner is being as kind as grandmother to you, you sleepy head. Where is Bob, by the way? Did he give up on us? ) > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 9, 2008 Report Share Posted May 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 5/9/2008 2:36:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > wwoehr@ writes: > > > > > " The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that > > very > > > thing; " > > > > > > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > > > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > > > there's nothing to realize...IMHO. > > > J > > > > > > > > > > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see. > > > Phil > > > > > > > > > Phil, > > > > Is will the base of seeing ? > > > > You see because you want to see ? > > > > Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already > > exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ? > > > > Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got > > the taste of moralism. > > > > Are you a moralist, Phil ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > ***HA! Yes, I'm know far and wide as the simple minded moralist. Heheeee > > Yer a quack up, Werner. > > P: Werner is being as kind as > grandmother to you, you sleepy head. > > Where is Bob, by the way? Did he give up > on us? ) ....been wondering about that myself... Hey Bobji where u b? ~a > > > > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > > favorites at AOL Food. > > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 09/05/2008 10:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > kailashana writes: > > > Where is Bob, by the way? Did he give up > > on us? ) > > > ...been wondering about that myself... Hey Bobji where u b? > > ~a > > > > ***You miss the ego drama? Hey... we're all drama queens here. As a matter of fact, I'd venture to say we are the epitome of drama queens. We know it and that's why we continue to play it out, anywhere we can, eh? > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 09/05/2008 10:13:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > > Phil, > > > > Is will the base of seeing ? > > > > You see because you want to see ? > > > > Can an earthworm see the beauty of a sunset ? Or must there already > > exist all the predispositions which enable the seeing ? > > > > Your philosophy seems a bit to simple minded. And in addition it got > > the taste of moralism. > > > > Are you a moralist, Phil ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > ***HA! Yes, I'm know far and wide as the simple minded moralist. Heheeee > > > Yer a quack up, Werner. > > P: Werner is being as kind as > grandmother to you, you sleepy head. > > > > > **Never suggested he was being unkind, but his mind does operate much as > yours does. He knows what he knows and can see nothing that is not already > circulating in his head. It's a bit like having a phone conversation with a deaf > person. P; Exactly! We know what we know, and you believe what you believe. Why should we trade knowledge for beliefs? We see, but don't believe. " Seeing is believing " is a cliche, not a true statement. > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 In a message dated 09/05/2008 3:26:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, kailashana writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 09/05/2008 10:56:22 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > kailashana writes:> > > Where is Bob, by the way? Did he give up> > on us? )> > > ...been wondering about that myself... Hey Bobji where u b?> > ~a> > > > ***You miss the ego drama? Hey... we're all drama queens here. As a matter of fact, I'd ventureto say we are the epitome of drama queens.We know it and that's why we continue to play it out, anywhere wecan, eh? ***I'd be grateful if you could consider the possibility that some may be here to do spiritual work, and the drama isn't helpful so much. Phil Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 In a message dated 09/05/2008 3:38:04 PM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie6 writes: > **Never suggested he was being unkind, but his mind does operate much as > yours does. He knows what he knows and can see nothing that is not already > circulating in his head. It's a bit like having a phone conversation with a deaf > person.P; Exactly! We know what we know, andyou believe what you believe. Why shouldwe trade knowledge for beliefs? We see, butdon't believe. "Seeing is believing" is a cliche,not a true statement. ***I see more clearly than you, and still I'm not as arrogant. Perhaps because I see that nothing can be known, while you still treasure your knowledge like a Ming vase.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 5/8/2008 5:29:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > yohansky writes: > > > > > > > ***So, likewise you would not be able to delve into auto > mechanics? > > The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; > > that there is no self. Did you come to that realization by delving > into it, or > > did you read it somewhere? > > > > Phil > > > > " The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing; " > > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > there's nothing to realize...IMHO. > J > > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see. > Phil > Question remains, who is it then that sees? But then, all silly word games with lots and lots of fried air, if you ask me. > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 10, 2008 Report Share Posted May 10, 2008 In a message dated 09/05/2008 5:08:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yohansky writes: > "The primary point of delving into the self is to realize that very > thing;"> > - That to is nothing more than food for the ego to feed on, just > adding more poison to the confusion of our 'sleeping state', for > there's nothing to realize...IMHO.> J> > > > ***All it requires is the willingness to have a look see.> PhilQuestion remains, who is it then that sees? ***That's right. That's the question. It's an excellent question.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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