Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 In a message dated 14/05/2008 1:34:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the Self.And that reaching out for a "high" goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And that is not very intelligent.Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances so that the "positiv" can fall in by itself. And that first of all implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH.The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative approach requires self-knowledge.Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other.If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of that wonderful "Self".The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the Selfers here :)Werner ***I agree, in spite of the condescending tone. What I wonder is why the author declares self knowledge to be nonsense.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the Self. And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And that is not very intelligent. Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative approach requires self-knowledge. Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of that wonderful " Self " . The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the Selfers here Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the > Self. > > And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And > that is not very intelligent. > > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances > so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. > > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative > approach requires self-knowledge. > > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. > > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of > that wonderful " Self " . > > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the > Selfers here > > Werner .....are you one of this imaginary bubbles.....dying....slowly?.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 14/05/2008 1:34:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes: > > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the > Self. > > And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And > that is not very intelligent. > > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances > so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. > > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative > approach requires self-knowledge. > > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. > > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of > that wonderful " Self " . > > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the > Selfers here > > Werner > > > > ***I agree, in spite of the condescending tone. What I wonder is why the > author declares self knowledge to be nonsense. > > Oh, oh, Phil, If you would open your mind when reading my posts you would have realized that I was making a difference between self-knowledge and self-inquiry. And what I repeatedly stated was SELF-INQUIRY IS NONSENSE. But slowly by slowly I am afraid that you don't know what self- knowledge is. Else you wouldn't constantly confuse both. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 14, 2008 Report Share Posted May 14, 2008 In a message dated 14/05/2008 2:39:05 AM Pacific Daylight Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > In a message dated 14/05/2008 1:34:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > wwoehr writes:> > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the > Self.> > And that reaching out for a "high" goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And > that is not very intelligent.> > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances > so that the "positiv" can fall in by itself. And that first of all > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH.> > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative > approach requires self-knowledge.> > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other.> > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of > that wonderful "Self".> > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the > Selfers here > > Werner> > > > ***I agree, in spite of the condescending tone. What I wonder is why the > author declares self knowledge to be nonsense.> > Oh, oh, Phil,If you would open your mind when reading my posts you would have realized that I was making a difference between self-knowledge and self-inquiry.And what I repeatedly stated was SELF-INQUIRY IS NONSENSE.But slowly by slowly I am afraid that you don't know what self-knowledge is. Else you wouldn't constantly confuse both.Werner self inquiry; insight into the nature of self. Who is this 'me'? self knowledge. Yes, Werner, you're constantly making distinctions that don't exist. Perhaps this is how you keep the imaginary self going? Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 14/05/2008 1:34:36 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > > wwoehr@ writes: > > > > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and > also > > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach > the > > Self. > > > > And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. > And > > that is not very intelligent. > > > > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and > hindrances > > so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all > > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever > it may > > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. > > > > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the > negative > > approach requires self-knowledge. > > > > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. > > > > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never > have a > > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling > of > > that wonderful " Self " . > > > > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the > the > > Selfers here > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > ***I agree, in spite of the condescending tone. What I wonder is > why the > > author declares self knowledge to be nonsense. > > > > > > > Oh, oh, Phil, > > If you would open your mind when reading my posts you would have > realized that I was making a difference between self-knowledge and > self-inquiry. > > And what I repeatedly stated was SELF-INQUIRY IS NONSENSE. > > But slowly by slowly I am afraid that you don't know what self- > knowledge is. Else you wouldn't constantly confuse both. > > Werner > " I was making a difference between self-knowledge and self-inquiry. " -Without self-knowledge no self-inquiry, without self-inquiry no self-knowledge. How do you separate the two, Werner? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and also > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach the > Self. > > And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. And > that is not very intelligent. > > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances > so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever it may > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. > > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the negative > approach requires self-knowledge. > > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. > > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never have a > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling of > that wonderful " Self " . > > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the the > Selfers here > > Werner > " Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and hindrances so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. " -You don't achieve that by telling others. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 15, 2008 Report Share Posted May 15, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > The Selfer is a person having read about the Self from Ramana and > also > > from Maharaj. And now that person got greedy to attasin or reach > the > > Self. > > > > And that reaching out for a " high " goal is the POSITIVE APPROACH. > And > > that is not very intelligent. > > > > Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and > hindrances > > so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. And that first of all > > implies to totally forget that wonderful positive goal, whatever > it may > > be. And this is called the NEGATIVE APPROACH. > > > > The positive approachs needs a lot of day-dreaming and the > negative > > approach requires self-knowledge. > > > > Day-dreaming and self-knowledge don't like each other. > > > > If you are a Selfer you love to chat of the Self but you never > have a > > chance to get it. And so you will go on day-reaming and babbling > of > > that wonderful " Self " . > > > > The path of Maharaj is the negative approach - sorry for all the > the > > Selfers here > > > > Werner > > > > " Much more intelligent is trying to remove all obstacles and > hindrances so that the " positiv " can fall in by itself. " > > -You don't achieve that by telling others. > Surely not, Johan, Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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