Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 In a message dated 16/05/2008 12:03:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, dennis_travis33 writes: Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got LiberationLiberation is the cause of all possible appearing actions.....trying to express It.Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms.Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It.Marc Right, nobody ever brought about liberation, but as with most concepts that are not really understood, this becomes a trap in which one is caught unknowingly, perhaps for a lifetime. What is sought on the 'spiritual path' is not Truth or liberation, though it will appear to be by that which seeks. What the spiritual search is really all about is the realization of futility. "Failure is the means to success." The one who hears that the seeking must end, and then ends the seeking in order to accomplish the goal, has not ended the seeking at all but merely changed the seeking method to 'no seeking'. This, of course, will not work because it is not the realization of futility, but merely the conceptual grasping of the idea of futility. The mind is not buying that deception for a moment. (So, yes, the non effort effort doesn't work either.) I sometimes wonder what these folks are thinking when they read quotes like Niz that was posted recently, recommending self knowledge. Why on Earth would such seeking be recommended if what is needed is to end the seeking. Ahhh, because Niz was not as ignorant as his followers. Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing actions.....trying to express It. Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 16, 2008 Report Share Posted May 16, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 16/05/2008 12:03:48 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > dennis_travis33 writes: > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing actions.....trying to > express It. > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > Marc > > > > > Right, nobody ever brought about liberation, but as with most concepts that > are not really understood, this becomes a trap in which one is caught > unknowingly, perhaps for a lifetime. .....liberation is indeed here & now....for a lifetime.....even for those ignoring It..... yes, some fools search for It....very far away..... yes, some fools give up many things....for It.....for no reason.... yes, some fools become even more selfish & ego-minded.....for It.....for no reason.... fools remain fools.... happy beings remain happy beings.... > > What is sought on the 'spiritual path' is not Truth or liberation, though it > will appear to be by that which seeks. What the spiritual search is really > all about is the realization of futility. " Failure is the means to success. " i think that your mentionned " spiritual search " is something individual.....just like dreams during night are individual related.... So, i think that " spiritual search " is something different....for every single fool.... the main " futility " is to remain behaving & acting like the described fools > > The one who hears that the seeking must end, and then ends the seeking in > order to accomplish the goal, has not ended the seeking at all but merely > changed the seeking method to 'no seeking'. This, of course, will not work because > it is not the realization of futility, but merely the conceptual grasping of > the idea of futility. The mind is not buying that deception for a moment. > (So, yes, the non effort effort doesn't work either.) right....yes.... there are even some fools who associate spiritual success.....with all other kind of success.... like the idea.... " the day i'm realised...i will also be very successful in material life, be rich etc.... " ..... better, for such fools....to buy & sell some tomatoes & oranges....instead to buy spiritual food (I think that there are not many of your described fools in here who believe in " instant realisation " .... " no effort " ....blablabla....) > > I sometimes wonder what these folks are thinking when they read quotes like > Niz that was posted recently, recommending self knowledge. Why on Earth would > such seeking be recommended if what is needed is to end the seeking. Ahhh, > because Niz was not as ignorant as his followers. ahhh....yes.... the world, in the eyes of a liberated one.....means, one who is fully awaken and happy......peaceful...... ....look different....than the world, in the eyes of fools..... no question about Marc > > > > > **************Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family > favorites at AOL Food. > (http://food.aol.com/dinner-tonight?NCID=aolfod00030000000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > actions.....trying to > > express It. > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > Marc > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > ARE liberated. > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be. > well... it's as plain as the nose on your face, Liberation... however, you can't see it unless you look in a mirror...no matter how you may feel it. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing actions.....trying to > express It. > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > Marc > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we ARE liberated. But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be (liberated). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 In a message dated 16/05/2008 8:45:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, yohansky writes: > > "Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation"> > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we> > ARE liberated.> > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > > (liberated).> >> > > > > Oh that's an easy one:> > > Because that's the script.......as is your being puzzled.> > > > > toombaru>Never have to wait too long... As usual a script for instant liberation, you must have written, of course. ****There is no script, of course.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 In a message dated 16/05/2008 11:15:46 PM Pacific Daylight Time, lastrain writes: > > Oh that's an easy one:> > > > > > Because that's the script.......as is your being puzzled.> > > > > > > > > > toombaru> >> > Never have to wait too long... > As usual a script for instant liberation, you must have written, of > course. > > > > ****There is no script, of course.> > The 'script' is merely the connected-continuous flow of inter-reaction.......the infinite chain of causation...in which there is no isolated cause or effect.Its course is determined by everything that preceded it.t. ***Yup, kinda like that.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > actions.....trying to > > express It. > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > Marc > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > ARE liberated. > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > (liberated). > Oh that's an easy one: Because that's the script.......as is your being puzzled. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > > actions.....trying to > > > express It. > > > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > > ARE liberated. > > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > > (liberated). > > > > > > > Oh that's an easy one: > > > Because that's the script.......as is your being puzzled. > > > > > toombaru > Never have to wait too long... As usual a script for instant liberation, you must have written, of course. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > > actions.....trying to > > > express It. > > > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > > ARE liberated. > > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be. > > > > > > well... it's as plain as the nose on your face, Liberation... however, > you can't see it unless you look in a mirror...no matter how you may > feel it. > > ~A > Who's looking in the mirror... Soooo easy, soooo plain By the way, you start using the words of your Master. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got > > > Liberation > > > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > > > actions.....trying to express It. > > > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever > > > forms. > > > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got > > Liberation " > > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > > ARE liberated. > > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be. > > > > > > well... it's as plain as the nose on your face, Liberation... > however, > you can't see it unless you look in a mirror...no matter how you may > feel it. > > ~A I would positively freak out if I looked in the mirrow and saw.. guess who ? ahh Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 16/05/2008 8:45:58 PM Pacific Daylight Time, > yohansky writes: > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got > Liberation " > > > > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > > > ARE liberated. > > > > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > > > (liberated). > > > > > > > > > > > > > Oh that's an easy one: > > > > > > Because that's the script.......as is your being puzzled. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Never have to wait too long... > As usual a script for instant liberation, you must have written, of > course. > > > > ****There is no script, of course. > > The 'script' is merely the connected-continuous flow of inter-reaction. .......the infinite chain of causation...in which there is no isolated cause or effect. Its course is determined by everything that preceded it. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 17, 2008 Report Share Posted May 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > actions.....trying to > > express It. > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > Marc > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > ARE liberated. nobody could ever be liberated.......there is nobody, for real, who could be liberated..... to know oneself.....self-knowledge (to connect with the discussed self-knowledge).......Is liberation, which isn't related to any fiction of illusory (imaginary) individual being > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > (liberated). because it's just an illusion.....as i told above Marc Ps: take it easy......yes! there Is liberation......here & now......but the mirror of It.....is infinite emptyness .....isn't it?...... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 19, 2008 Report Share Posted May 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation > > > > > > Liberation is the cause of all possible appearing > > actions.....trying to > > > express It. > > > > > > Some look like fools....in appearently acting, in whatever forms. > > > > > > Some look just normal/fine....in appearently enjoying It. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > " Nobody, ever, with some effort....or non-effort.....got Liberation " > > > > -That's close enough to the truth for me, the funny thing is...we > > ARE liberated. > > > nobody could ever be liberated.......there is nobody, for real, who > could be liberated..... > > to know oneself.....self-knowledge (to connect with the discussed > self-knowledge).......Is liberation, which isn't related to any > fiction of illusory (imaginary) individual being > > > > > > > But what puzzles me most is why we 'try' so hard NOT to be > > (liberated). > > > because it's just an illusion.....as i told above > > > Marc > > > Ps: take it easy......yes! there Is liberation......here & now......but > the mirror of It.....is infinite emptyness > > ....isn't it?...... > > > Close enough... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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