Werner Now

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> > Hi Era,

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> >W: Fine that you are curious and so we stay in contact

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> > To answer your question, I have no idea what enlightenment is and

> > because in the last 40 years I have read so much about enlightenment

> > that I am also no longer interested in it.

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> > But what I am interested in, and that's why am here on this list, is

> > the realization of one's own non-existence.

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> > With realization I mean really to absolutely know it, taste it, see

> > it, hear it and feel it

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> T:That's simply cannot happen to a conceptual entity.

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> toombaru

 

Hey Toomb,

 

P: I see you don't value your ears. Not that I hear that

well, but mine keep my hat up. So, I'm going to risk

a reply. Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of

us, we can clarify what is behind this desire to taste

our non-existence.

 

We seem to agree that to have a self means to

remember that " representation. " It's not much

different than believing in Santa. We used to

believe in Santa, and have many pleasant

memories about the excitement of waiting

for him, and opening presents, and so for, but

once we understood Santa was just a lie, we

never wished to taste Santa's non-existence.

 

So, why would a brain want to taste the non-

existence of his own representation? Could

not this be a another trick of self-deception?

 

The brain fears that if it doesn't believe in

Werner, it wouldn't protect itself as aggressively

as if it did. So, wanting to feel the absent of the

self, is also a way of keeping the idea of a self

alive. It's much like trying to forget about a

pink elephant by reminding yourself not to

think about one.

 

Werner, might mean by realizing, also, that he

wants be to be conscious of being unconscious.

 

That feeling of not existing can't be experienced

as a presence, it can only be remembered as an

absence.

 

Once we awake from a period of unconsciousness,

we notice consciousness has been absent for a

while, but how that felt can't be known. And that

is the perfection of it.

 

We must deeply understand than to feel, to sense,

to be aware is to know better and worse, pleasure

and pain, joy and suffering. Only the non-

conscious can be perfect in its total lack of

qualities of any kind.

 

So what is Nirvana? Nirvana is neither to fear nor

desire existence, nor non-existence. To deeply

relax in the peace and silence of perceiving and

its absence without the pernicious afterthought:

I'm perceiving this, but I would rather...

 

Pete

 

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