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> > Hi Era,

> > >

> > >W: Fine that you are curious and so we stay in contact :)

> > >

> > > To answer your question, I have no idea what enlightenment is

> > > and

> > > because in the last 40 years I have read so much about

> > > enlightenment

> > > that I am also no longer interested in it.

> > >

> > > But what I am interested in, and that's why am here on this

> > > list, is

> > > the realization of one's own non-existence.

> > >

> > > With realization I mean really to absolutely know it, taste it,

> > > see it, hear it and feel it :)

> >

> >

> >

> > T:That's simply cannot happen to a conceptual entity.

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

> Hey Toomb,

>

> Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of

 

 

 

HEYY Pete ! before any more endless word-games:

 

 

1. please read Jerry's, couple points about neo-advaita

 

2. Werner did not answer me yet.

 

3. ericonline did and, that was more interesting than neo-shuffle, I

wish he would ekaborate, it is above my head. I will go and ask

Harshaji to explain it in yoga terminology for me.

 

 

Era

 

ericonline: Nisargadatta/message/61172

 

 

>

> P: I see you don't value your ears. Not that I hear that

> well, but mine keep my hat up. So, I'm going to risk

> a reply. Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of

> us, we can clarify what is behind this desire to taste

> our non-existence.

>

> We seem to agree that to have a self means to

> remember that " representation. " It's not much

> different than believing in Santa. We used to

> believe in Santa, and have many pleasant

> memories about the excitement of waiting

> for him, and opening presents, and so for, but

> once we understood Santa was just a lie, we

> never wished to taste Santa's non-existence.

>

> So, why would a brain want to taste the non-

> existence of his own representation? Could

> not this be a another trick of self-deception?

>

> The brain fears that if it doesn't believe in

> Werner, it wouldn't protect itself as aggressively

> as if it did. So, wanting to feel the absent of the

> self, is also a way of keeping the idea of a self

> alive. It's much like trying to forget about a

> pink elephant by reminding yourself not to

> think about one.

>

> Werner, might mean by realizing, also, that he

> wants be to be conscious of being unconscious.

>

> That feeling of not existing can't be experienced

> as a presence, it can only be remembered as an

> absence.

>

> Once we awake from a period of unconsciousness,

> we notice consciousness has been absent for a

> while, but how that felt can't be known. And that

> is the perfection of it.

>

> We must deeply understand than to feel, to sense,

> to be aware is to know better and worse, pleasure

> and pain, joy and suffering. Only the non-

> conscious can be perfect in its total lack of

> qualities of any kind.

>

> So what is Nirvana? Nirvana is neither to fear nor

> desire existence, nor non-existence. To deeply

> relax in the peace and silence of perceiving and

> its absence without the pernicious afterthought:

> I'm perceiving this, but I would rather...

>

> Pete

>

> http://cerosoul.wordpress.com

>

> enlightenedfiction

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