Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 > > Hi Era, > > > > > >W: Fine that you are curious and so we stay in contact > > > > > > To answer your question, I have no idea what enlightenment is > > > and > > > because in the last 40 years I have read so much about > > > enlightenment > > > that I am also no longer interested in it. > > > > > > But what I am interested in, and that's why am here on this > > > list, is > > > the realization of one's own non-existence. > > > > > > With realization I mean really to absolutely know it, taste it, > > > see it, hear it and feel it > > > > > > > > T:That's simply cannot happen to a conceptual entity. > > > > > > toombaru > > Hey Toomb, > > Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of HEYY Pete ! before any more endless word-games: 1. please read Jerry's, couple points about neo-advaita 2. Werner did not answer me yet. 3. ericonline did and, that was more interesting than neo-shuffle, I wish he would ekaborate, it is above my head. I will go and ask Harshaji to explain it in yoga terminology for me. Era ericonline: Nisargadatta/message/61172 > > P: I see you don't value your ears. Not that I hear that > well, but mine keep my hat up. So, I'm going to risk > a reply. Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of > us, we can clarify what is behind this desire to taste > our non-existence. > > We seem to agree that to have a self means to > remember that " representation. " It's not much > different than believing in Santa. We used to > believe in Santa, and have many pleasant > memories about the excitement of waiting > for him, and opening presents, and so for, but > once we understood Santa was just a lie, we > never wished to taste Santa's non-existence. > > So, why would a brain want to taste the non- > existence of his own representation? Could > not this be a another trick of self-deception? > > The brain fears that if it doesn't believe in > Werner, it wouldn't protect itself as aggressively > as if it did. So, wanting to feel the absent of the > self, is also a way of keeping the idea of a self > alive. It's much like trying to forget about a > pink elephant by reminding yourself not to > think about one. > > Werner, might mean by realizing, also, that he > wants be to be conscious of being unconscious. > > That feeling of not existing can't be experienced > as a presence, it can only be remembered as an > absence. > > Once we awake from a period of unconsciousness, > we notice consciousness has been absent for a > while, but how that felt can't be known. And that > is the perfection of it. > > We must deeply understand than to feel, to sense, > to be aware is to know better and worse, pleasure > and pain, joy and suffering. Only the non- > conscious can be perfect in its total lack of > qualities of any kind. > > So what is Nirvana? Nirvana is neither to fear nor > desire existence, nor non-existence. To deeply > relax in the peace and silence of perceiving and > its absence without the pernicious afterthought: > I'm perceiving this, but I would rather... > > Pete > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > enlightenedfiction Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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