Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > Hi Era, > > > > > > > >W: Fine that you are curious and so we stay in contact > > > > > > > > To answer your question, I have no idea what enlightenment is > > > > and > > > > because in the last 40 years I have read so much about > > > > enlightenment > > > > that I am also no longer interested in it. > > > > > > > > But what I am interested in, and that's why am here on this > > > > list, is > > > > the realization of one's own non-existence. > > > > > > > > With realization I mean really to absolutely know it, taste it, > > > > see it, hear it and feel it > > > > > > > > > > > > T:That's simply cannot happen to a conceptual entity. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Hey Toomb, > > > > Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of > > > > HEYY Pete ! before any more endless word-games: > > > 1. please read Jerry's, couple points about neo-advaita P: It's all word games. All sacred books, all spiritual books, all spiritual posts, without exception, are word games. You can only win when you realize it's all about manipulating your mind to make you feel a certain way. No different that spiritual pornography to get you high on self, God, Emptiness. or what not. Eric gave a very simple answer: Advaita says there is only One. Buddha said there is none. What is there to explain? > NNB > > > > > > P: I see you don't value your ears. Not that I hear that > > well, but mine keep my hat up. So, I'm going to risk > > a reply. Let's see if by discussing this between the 3 of > > us, we can clarify what is behind this desire to taste > > our non-existence. > > > > We seem to agree that to have a self means to > > remember that " representation. " It's not much > > different than believing in Santa. We used to > > believe in Santa, and have many pleasant > > memories about the excitement of waiting > > for him, and opening presents, and so for, but > > once we understood Santa was just a lie, we > > never wished to taste Santa's non-existence. > > > > So, why would a brain want to taste the non- > > existence of his own representation? Could > > not this be a another trick of self-deception? > > > > The brain fears that if it doesn't believe in > > Werner, it wouldn't protect itself as aggressively > > as if it did. So, wanting to feel the absent of the > > self, is also a way of keeping the idea of a self > > alive. It's much like trying to forget about a > > pink elephant by reminding yourself not to > > think about one. > > > > Werner, might mean by realizing, also, that he > > wants be to be conscious of being unconscious. > > > > That feeling of not existing can't be experienced > > as a presence, it can only be remembered as an > > absence. > > > > Once we awake from a period of unconsciousness, > > we notice consciousness has been absent for a > > while, but how that felt can't be known. And that > > is the perfection of it. > > > > We must deeply understand than to feel, to sense, > > to be aware is to know better and worse, pleasure > > and pain, joy and suffering. Only the non- > > conscious can be perfect in its total lack of > > qualities of any kind. > > > > So what is Nirvana? Nirvana is neither to fear nor > > desire existence, nor non-existence. To deeply > > relax in the peace and silence of perceiving and > > its absence without the pernicious afterthought: > > I'm perceiving this, but I would rather... > > > > Pete > > > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > enlightenedfiction > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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