Guest guest Posted June 1, 2008 Report Share Posted June 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Harshaji/ Werner Re: " Now " > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > HEYY Pete ! before any more endless word-games: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. please read Jerry's, couple points about neo-advaita > > > > > > > > P: It's all word games. All sacred books, all spiritual books, > > > > all spiritual posts, without exception, are word games. You > > > > can only win when you realize it's all about manipulating > > > > your mind to make you feel a certain way. No different that > > > > spiritual pornography to get you high on self, God, Emptiness. > > > > or what not. Eric gave a very simple answer: Advaita says > > > > there is only One. Buddha said there is none. What is there > > > > to explain? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok Pete, > > > > > > and now I came along writing that I want to taste, smell, feel, > hear > > > and see my own non-existence, an expression which just combined > > > Advaita's " One " and Buddha's " None " . > > > > > > In different words: When you see something then who is the see- > er ? > > > There is none. The seeing, the see-er and the seen is one and the > > > same thing, " THAT " . > > > > > > But because of the separating tendencies of the left brain half > which > > > is responsible to create a seemingly separated see-er we never > > > realize that unity and therefore also not at the same time one's > own > > > non-exsitence. > > > > > > You cannot approach that with the tools of logic and philosophy. > But > > > is is so, when the see-er is the seen then one can experience > both > > > at the same time: The seen and the non-existence of a see-er. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Thanks for writing that, Werner. Noticing > > the non-existence of a pink elephant, is the > > the pink elephant, again. There is no other > > pink elephant that the thought of it, and both > > noticing that we are thinking of a pink elephant, > > and thinking that we are not thinking of a pink > > elephant is the same pink elephant. It's the > > same with the seer, or self, noticing its absent > > is bringing its presence back. There is such > > thing as seeing, or hearing without a sense of > > self, but the moment I notice its absence, the > > self is back. > > > > AC wrote something very true the other day, > > maybe he wrote it as a joke, but it's true: > > " I have realized often, but it fades away after > > a while. " This is very true, the sense of self > > always comes back. Only before realization > > it was viewed as the real me, and after, it's > > seen only as a vague bundle of feelings and > > memories that the brain flashes on and off > > to navigate the world. The brain uses the > > self as a computer game about car racing > > uses the image of a windshield and a > > steering-wheel to symbolize the car you > > are driving. This and moving the mouse > > gives the feeling of racing down a road. > > > > It's wonderful seeing without a seer, it's > > nice remembering it from the perspective > > of a seer. It's also nice remembering > > not being conscious at all. It makes death > > look like a very good thing indeed. > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, Pete, > > It surely makes sense and it also is nicely written and cannot hide > it stemmed from the hand of a writer. > > But besides that, your ears are off > > Its my fault. I souldn't have written that post about tasting one's > own non-exsitence. > > It is a challinge to the intellect to step back and to be quiet. It > cannot be quiet, it is its mental life to solve rddles or to see and > point at contradictions. > > Werner P; Thanks for the compliment, Werner. I'm sure you know that in Spain, when the matador does a very good job, they cut one of the bull's ears and give it to him as a trophy. So, my ears are all yours. Being quiet is very good, but the brain can't be quiet for long. It must exercise those neurons, and posing and solving riddles is fun. Only a very alert brain doesn't get fooled by its own machinations, and ends up chasing its own " tales. " ) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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