Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > <yohansky@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference > between > > a > > > > > happy > > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial > > > > > differencies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the > end > > > > they > > > > > will > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few > > > > > minutes...perhaps > > > > > > > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps > going > > > for > > > > > > > years... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material > > world > > > > > there > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for > > > what...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting > for...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you > > > read > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for > that > > > > carry- > > > > > > > case... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in > > that > > > > > > > game...so > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am > > > hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken > > to > > > be > > > > > > > real... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that > > > is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only > when > > > the > > > > > > > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true > > self > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand > that > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at > > all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one > > self...no > > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally > all > > > > > objects > > > > > > > > fades > > > > > > > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only > the > > > > > > > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gosh, I didn't know THAT... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so...whats your understanding...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of what significance is it to you what I understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and what is it that I can understand from words > > that > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > explained by words...repeatable petty proselytizers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are welcome as you are... > > > > > > > > > if you like there might be a chance for > comunication... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there might be a chance for comunication... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -For a start, do you understand the word arrogance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...yes... > > > > > > > and I will try to use words in a more gentle way... > > > > > > > ...ok > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not necessary when attempting to communicate with a > > > > > reptilian brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > The best course of action is avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably...yes > > > > > but it would have been cool to comunicate with a croc... > > > > > hey there...whats up... > > > > > ...come closer, I cant hear what you are saying from that > > > > distance... > > > > > ok...how about now... > > > > > ...much better...wroooaaaam...chew...chew...chew... > > > > > oach...you fuxxing eating the leg you damn idiot... > > > > > ...yea...well...I was kind of hungry...and this helps... > > > > > aha...jolly good then... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just change your nappie...little dung pile. > > > > > > > > > > little...pile ? > > > ...first, clear up your own mind ... > > > then you will realise that the " little dung pile " > > > was just an illusion of your imagination... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Are you talking about the same illusion, that same pathological > > uncontrolled urge of your's that let you hit your imaginary > keyboard > > with your little dirty dung hands? > > > > you take me for a dung pile...or at least you did... I still do > what I am trying to comunicate... You call that communication? Why don't you answer my question; " Are you talking about the same illusion " >is that the mind is cooking up all > sorts of things, and that reality lies beyond... Do you find it difficult to come with something more original? > you are welcome to continue your trip and go on for as long as you > like...but in the end you will realise that you have never ever taken > one single step... Of what concern is that for you? Just life your own little live and spent some quality time looking inside yourself, rather than playing the wanabe-wise man repeating your stupid learned wisdom...over and over again. that it was all just appearing so... Excuse me? > ...iietsa Change your nappie...little dung beetle... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > <yohansky@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " > > > > > <yohansky@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference > > between > > > a > > > > > > happy > > > > > > > > man > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial > > > > > > differencies... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the > > end > > > > > they > > > > > > will > > > > > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few > > > > > > minutes...perhaps > > > > > > > > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps > > going > > > > for > > > > > > > > years... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those > faes...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material > > > world > > > > > > there > > > > > > > > are > > > > > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for > > > > what...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting > > for...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when > you > > > > read > > > > > > these > > > > > > > > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for > > that > > > > > carry- > > > > > > > > case... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested > in > > > that > > > > > > > > game...so > > > > > > > > > I > > > > > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am > > > > hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are > taken > > > to > > > > be > > > > > > > > real... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that > > > > is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only > > when > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or > any > > > > other > > > > > > > > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own > true > > > self > > > > > > > > directly > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand > > that > > > > > > > > everything > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at > > > all... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one > > > self...no > > > > > > > > attention > > > > > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally > > all > > > > > > objects > > > > > > > > > fades > > > > > > > > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only > > the > > > > > > > > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gosh, I didn't know THAT... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > so...whats your understanding...? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Of what significance is it to you what I > understand? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...and what is it that I can understand from > words > > > that > > > > > > cannot > > > > > > > > > > > explained by words...repeatable petty > proselytizers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > you are welcome as you are... > > > > > > > > > > if you like there might be a chance for > > comunication... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " there might be a chance for comunication... " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -For a start, do you understand the word arrogance? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...yes... > > > > > > > > and I will try to use words in a more gentle way... > > > > > > > > ...ok > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That is not necessary when attempting to communicate with > a > > > > > > reptilian brain. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best course of action is avoidance. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > probably...yes > > > > > > but it would have been cool to comunicate with a croc... > > > > > > hey there...whats up... > > > > > > ...come closer, I cant hear what you are saying from that > > > > > distance... > > > > > > ok...how about now... > > > > > > ...much better...wroooaaaam...chew...chew...chew... > > > > > > oach...you fuxxing eating the leg you damn idiot... > > > > > > ...yea...well...I was kind of hungry...and this helps... > > > > > > aha...jolly good then... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Just change your nappie...little dung pile. > > > > > > > > > > > > > little...pile ? > > > > ...first, clear up your own mind ... > > > > then you will realise that the " little dung pile " > > > > was just an illusion of your imagination... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Are you talking about the same illusion, that same pathological > > > uncontrolled urge of your's that let you hit your imaginary > > keyboard > > > with your little dirty dung hands? > > > > > > > you take me for a dung pile...or at least you did... > > I still do > > > what I am trying to comunicate... > > You call that communication? Why don't you answer my question; " Are > you talking about the same illusion " > > >is that the mind is cooking up all > > sorts of things, and that reality lies beyond... > > Do you find it difficult to come with something more original? > > > you are welcome to continue your trip and go on for as long as you > > like...but in the end you will realise that you have never ever > taken > > one single step... > > Of what concern is that for you? > > Just life your own little live and spent some quality time looking > inside yourself, rather than playing the wanabe-wise man repeating > your stupid learned wisdom...over and over again. > > that it was all just appearing so... > > Excuse me? > > > ...iietsa > > Change your nappie...little dung beetle... > > > > hello again...I still appear to be all sorts of things in your eyes... but what I am trying to pass on is this... what you see or take me for...is only a picture in your own mind...probably you dont see that it is thoughts that has painted this whole image...and that there is nothing real about it... I am sure you have heard about the rope and the snake... and what you take me for is that snake... to see the real me...(the rope here)...you must kill that snake by seeing it for what it is..an illusion...unreal...only mind-stuff... ....and to your question...am I talking about the snake ?...yes... ....and I am also trying to comunicate that there is a reality behind that snake... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy man > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they will all > > > cease... > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few minutes...perhaps > hours... > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for years... > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there are > > people > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read these > lines... > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry-case... > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that game...so I > > have > > > > quit > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be real... > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > thought " I " - > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > thought...that > > > > the > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self directly the > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that everything is > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no attention is > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects fades > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the subject...ONE > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat something.... > > > > > > ... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > fights without any real meanings.... > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > nothing else > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body fights... > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will end... > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first place... > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the end...it is > just coming to an end... > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a point of > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you are > looking from.... > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might call it > your struggle... > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, struggle...but > not yours... > ...iietsa to whoever the struggling belong to..... struggling is about wordly activities.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy man > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they will all > > > > cease... > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few minutes...perhaps > > hours... > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for years... > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there are > > > people > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read these > > lines... > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry-case... > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that game...so I > > > have > > > > > quit > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be real... > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > thought " I " - > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > thought...that > > > > > the > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self directly > the > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that everything is > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no attention > is > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects fades > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the subject...ONE > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat something.... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body > fights... > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will end... > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first > place... > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the end...it is > > just coming to an end... > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a point of > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you are > > looking from.... > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might call it > > your struggle... > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, struggle...but > > not yours... > > ...iietsa > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > Marc > > should be worldly activities ..... maybe also wordly activities... who cares... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy man > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they will all > > > > cease... > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few minutes...perhaps > > hours... > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for years... > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there are > > > people > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read these > > lines... > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry-case... > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that game...so I > > > have > > > > > quit > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be real... > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > thought " I " - > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > thought...that > > > > > the > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self directly > the > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that everything is > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no attention > is > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects fades > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the subject...ONE > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat something.... > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body > fights... > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will end... > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first > place... > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the end...it is > > just coming to an end... > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a point of > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you are > > looking from.... > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might call it > > your struggle... > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, struggle...but > > not yours... > > ...iietsa > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > Marc > > > ....peace is not bothered with worldly activities... they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at all... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy man > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they will > all > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few minutes...perhaps > > > hours... > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for years... > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there are > > > > people > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read these > > > lines... > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry- case... > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that game...so > I > > > > have > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be real... > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > > thought...that > > > > > > the > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self directly > > the > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that everything > is > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no attention > > is > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects > fades > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the > subject...ONE > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat something.... > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body > > fights... > > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will > end... > > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first > > place... > > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the end...it > is > > > just coming to an end... > > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a point > of > > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you are > > > looking from.... > > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might call > it > > > your struggle... > > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, > struggle...but > > > not yours... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > ...peace is not bothered with worldly activities... > they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at all... > ...iietsa yes worldly activities keep the mind busy within time & space limited issues....... just like....whatever happen in the dream during night..... It remain being a dream-world..... the little imaginary one who is percieving the world (him/herself), is part of life-dream the One who is responsible for such spectacle, isn't this little imaginary one this little imaginary one is of fiction only giving up such fiction (at wish).....is giving up the world .....is being home again and again... and... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 10, 2008 Report Share Posted June 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy > man > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they will > > all > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few minutes...perhaps > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for > years... > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there > are > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read these > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry- > case... > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that > game...so > > I > > > > > have > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be > real... > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self > directly > > > the > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that > everything > > is > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no > attention > > > is > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects > > fades > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat > something.... > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body > > > fights... > > > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will > > end... > > > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first > > > place... > > > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the > end...it > > is > > > > just coming to an end... > > > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a > point > > of > > > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you are > > > > looking from.... > > > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might > call > > it > > > > your struggle... > > > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, > > struggle...but > > > > not yours... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > > > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > ...peace is not bothered with worldly activities... > > they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at all... > > ...iietsa > > > > yes > > worldly activities keep the mind busy within time & space limited > issues....... > > just like....whatever happen in the dream during night..... > It remain being a dream-world..... > > the little imaginary one who is percieving the world (him/herself), > is part of life-dream > > the One who is responsible for such spectacle, isn't this little > imaginary one > > this little imaginary one is of fiction only > > giving up such fiction (at wish).....is giving up the world > > ....is being home > > again and again... > > and... Marc > > > staying home... and not leaving home on any jurney whatsoever...is true happiness ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a happy > > man > > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial differencies... > > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they > will > > > all > > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few > minutes...perhaps > > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for > > years... > > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world there > > are > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read > these > > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry- > > case... > > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that > > game...so > > > I > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be > > real... > > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self > > directly > > > > the > > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that > > everything > > > is > > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no > > attention > > > > is > > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all objects > > > fades > > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the > > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat > > something.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the body > > > > fights... > > > > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it will > > > end... > > > > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the first > > > > place... > > > > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > > > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the > > end...it > > > is > > > > > just coming to an end... > > > > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a > > point > > > of > > > > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you > are > > > > > looking from.... > > > > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might > > call > > > it > > > > > your struggle... > > > > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, > > > struggle...but > > > > > not yours... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > > > > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...peace is not bothered with worldly activities... > > > they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at all... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > yes > > > > worldly activities keep the mind busy within time & space limited > > issues....... > > > > just like....whatever happen in the dream during night..... > > It remain being a dream-world..... > > > > the little imaginary one who is percieving the world (him/herself), > > is part of life-dream > > > > the One who is responsible for such spectacle, isn't this little > > imaginary one > > > > this little imaginary one is of fiction only > > > > giving up such fiction (at wish).....is giving up the world > > > > ....is being home > > > > again and again... > > > > and... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > staying home... > and not leaving home on any jurney whatsoever...is true happiness > ...iietsa yes.... nothing to struggle for...... no unsatisfaction/fears/worries/passion....for/by an imaginary world/ " you " ....etc ..... ...... 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Guest guest Posted June 11, 2008 Report Share Posted June 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a > happy > > > man > > > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial > differencies... > > > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end they > > will > > > > all > > > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few > > minutes...perhaps > > > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for > > > years... > > > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world > there > > > are > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read > > these > > > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that carry- > > > case... > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that > > > game...so > > > > I > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be > > > real... > > > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self > > > directly > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that > > > everything > > > > is > > > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no > > > attention > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all > objects > > > > fades > > > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the > > > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat > > > something.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > > > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > > > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the > body > > > > > fights... > > > > > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it > will > > > > end... > > > > > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the > first > > > > > place... > > > > > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > > > > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the > > > end...it > > > > is > > > > > > just coming to an end... > > > > > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really a > > > point > > > > of > > > > > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where you > > are > > > > > > looking from.... > > > > > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you might > > > call > > > > it > > > > > > your struggle... > > > > > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, > > > > struggle...but > > > > > > not yours... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > > > > > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...peace is not bothered with worldly activities... > > > > they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at > all... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > worldly activities keep the mind busy within time & space limited > > > issues....... > > > > > > just like....whatever happen in the dream during night..... > > > It remain being a dream-world..... > > > > > > the little imaginary one who is percieving the world > (him/herself), > > > is part of life-dream > > > > > > the One who is responsible for such spectacle, isn't this little > > > imaginary one > > > > > > this little imaginary one is of fiction only > > > > > > giving up such fiction (at wish).....is giving up the world > > > > > > ....is being home > > > > > > again and again... > > > > > > and... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > staying home... > > and not leaving home on any jurney whatsoever...is true happiness > > ...iietsa > > > yes.... > > nothing to struggle for...... > no unsatisfaction/fears/worries/passion....for/by an imaginary > world/ " you " ....etc > > .... > > ..... > > Marc > > > > > when the mind is empty, there is nothing... when the mind is not empty, there is something...or everything... and most so called people take this something or everything to be the real...usually they call it the world...and therein they take themselfs as a separate something...usually called a me or an I...the liver...and from this little point they live what they call a life... but all this is only a not-empty mind...nothing else... they say they have both happiness and misery in their so called lifes...but they dont...they only have a not-empty mind... and this is the root of all problems...the cornerstone of misery, that keeps them running and running and running... ....and running ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 12, 2008 Report Share Posted June 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- In Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > <iietsa@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > <iietsa@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " > > > <iietsa@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is really not much difference between a > > happy > > > > man > > > > > > > > > > > > and a unhappy man...only superficial > > differencies... > > > > > > > > > > > > their faces will soon change and in the end > they > > > will > > > > > all > > > > > > > > > cease... > > > > > > > > > > > > maby in a few seconds...or in a few > > > minutes...perhaps > > > > > > > hours... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...they come, they go...and it keeps going for > > > > years... > > > > > > > > > > > > who is giving importancy to those faes...? > > > > > > > > > > > > and why...? > > > > > > > > > > > > wherever I look around in this material world > > there > > > > are > > > > > > > > people > > > > > > > > > > > > struggling in every thinkable way...for what...? > > > > > > > > > > > > ...whats in it thats worth fighting for...? > > > > > > > > > > > > maby I appear bitter or negative when you read > > > these > > > > > > > lines... > > > > > > > > > > > > but I can asure you...I dont care for that > carry- > > > > case... > > > > > > > > > > > > put another way...I am not interested in that > > > > game...so > > > > > I > > > > > > > > have > > > > > > > > > > quit > > > > > > > > > > > > playing it...I hown no face at all... > > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > for example...there is the idea... " I am hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > now, this idea and others as well are taken to be > > > > real... > > > > > > > > > > > but in reality there is no " I " that is " hungry " ... > > > > > > > > > > > the " I " is mere thought...and it is only when the > > > > > > > thought " I " - > > > > > > > > > > > identifies with the thought " hungry " or any other > > > > > > > > thought...that > > > > > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > > illusion arise... > > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it is when one is experiencing ones own true self > > > > directly > > > > > > the > > > > > > > > > > nondual way...that one sees and understand that > > > > everything > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > empty...and that there is really nothing at all... > > > > > > > > > > put another way...when one stays in one self...no > > > > attention > > > > > > is > > > > > > > > > > directed onto an object...and so naturally all > > objects > > > > > fades > > > > > > > > > > away...til there is no object at all...only the > > > > > subject...ONE > > > > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes....nice all this.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....when you are realy hungry.....and should eat > > > > something.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > maybe it's time to give up all this nice Oneness.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ps: worldly life is about fights.....no secrets about > > > > > > > > fights without any real meanings.... > > > > > > > > except to make prove of an imaginary self.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > a great spectacle.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing else > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in a way life is a struggle...and nomatter how good the > > body > > > > > > fights... > > > > > > > it will loose in the end...because it will not last...it > > will > > > > > end... > > > > > > > people call it death...but its not really alive in the > > first > > > > > > place... > > > > > > > so there is no such thing as death...it will just end... > > > > > > > like a movie...you know...the movie is not dying in the > > > > end...it > > > > > is > > > > > > > just coming to an end... > > > > > > > but from the point of wiev of oneness(that is not really > a > > > > point > > > > > of > > > > > > > wiew) there is no battle at all...it all depends where > you > > > are > > > > > > > looking from.... > > > > > > > if you take yourself for a body...then struggle...you > might > > > > call > > > > > it > > > > > > > your struggle... > > > > > > > but if not identified with the body...then in a way, > > > > > struggle...but > > > > > > > not yours... > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > to whoever the struggling belong to..... > > > > > > struggling is about wordly activities.... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ...peace is not bothered with worldly activities... > > > > > they might be going on in big circles or in small or not at > > all... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yes > > > > > > > > worldly activities keep the mind busy within time & space limited > > > > issues....... > > > > > > > > just like....whatever happen in the dream during night..... > > > > It remain being a dream-world..... > > > > > > > > the little imaginary one who is percieving the world > > (him/herself), > > > > is part of life-dream > > > > > > > > the One who is responsible for such spectacle, isn't this > little > > > > imaginary one > > > > > > > > this little imaginary one is of fiction only > > > > > > > > giving up such fiction (at wish).....is giving up the world > > > > > > > > ....is being home > > > > > > > > again and again... > > > > > > > > and... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > staying home... > > > and not leaving home on any jurney whatsoever...is true happiness > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > yes.... > > > > nothing to struggle for...... > > no unsatisfaction/fears/worries/passion....for/by an imaginary > > world/ " you " ....etc > > > > .... > > > > ..... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > when the mind is empty, there is nothing... > when the mind is not empty, there is something...or everything... > and most so called people take this something or everything to be the > real...usually they call it the world...and therein they take > themselfs as a separate something...usually called a me or an I...the > liver...and from this little point they live what they call a life... > but all this is only a not-empty mind...nothing else... > they say they have both happiness and misery in their so called > lifes...but they dont...they only have a not-empty mind... > and this is the root of all problems...the cornerstone of misery, > that keeps them running and running and running... > ...and running > ...iietsa .....yes....that's it.... ...... a few words to add for/about this " running " people....: ....the spiritual one who choosed to have a peaceful life....as for example in a cave....himalayas.......or wherever...... .....can give endless more " support/help " to their (own) Life, Earth and World..... than the running ones.... running around in order to save the world.....or (for) whatever illusions.... ...... Marc Ps: but/and truth.....just bring/give us back.....the lost Peace & empty mind....within simply Living..... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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