Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Nisargadatta:..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of presence you have, this consciousness.....This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to anything else?.....The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know that you are present.....The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification with the body.....Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the consciousness....Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the senses and see the world. Now reverse: "I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am not the senses."Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further things happen automatically..... Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > Nisargadatta: > > ..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of > presence you have, this consciousness. > .... > > This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to anything > else? > ..... > The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know > that you are present. > .... > The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave > spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification with > the body. > .... > > Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the > consciousness. > ... > Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the senses and > see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am > not the senses. " > Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further things > happen automatically. > .... > > Era > Ok, Era, Where is this " within " and what is it ? To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? And did you succed ? I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who is that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will turn within " , isn't it ? Can thought turn within or can thought hear or smell or feel or see ? Surely not. Once in a Ramana forum I asked if someone could tell me what " within " means. Six people answered and everyone had a different idea what it is I am afraid " Within " is just a myth and no one ever has been there. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 > > Ok, Era, > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > And did you succed ? Hi Werner, " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was trained to meditate and meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who is > that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will turn > within " , isn't it ? Practice is *also* outside of " thought " . I brought up a sport analogue once to you to explain the state of being with full awareness in the now, without judging, thinking, or any kind stance , overlay and said it is like being in the zone in sports. Now again I ask you to imagine, that you sit in meditation as instructed, in my case it was Surat Shabd Yoga style, and do it just like you would approach a tennis lesson. From there being in the thoughtless 'zone' of a tennis match is not hard to imagine, is it ? Same with meditation, after many times of PRACTICE thought falls away, body consciousness falls away, mind is left behind and one enters WITHIN, dead to the world: that is why is termed Self-Realization. <within> > Can thought turn within or can thought hear or smell or feel or see ? > Surely not. Mind can; the house of thought. > Once in a Ramana forum I asked if someone could tell me what " within " > means. Six people answered and everyone had a different idea what it > is haha yes ! > I am afraid " Within " is just a myth and no one ever has been there. No, it is mapped and known by those... who done it.. > Werner Era > Nisargadatta: > > ..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of > presence you have, this consciousness. > .... > > This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to anything > else? > ..... > The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know > that you are present. > .... > The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave > spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification with > the body. > .... > > Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the > consciousness. > ... > Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the senses and > see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, I am > not the senses. " > Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further things > happen automatically. > .... > > Era > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 Oh Lord. If our own life experience isn't *meditation*, may as well give up and go fish. ;-) ~Anna Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who is > > that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will turn > > within " , isn't it ? > > Practice is *also* outside of " thought " . I brought up a sport analogue > once to you to explain > the state of being with full awareness in the now, without judging, > thinking, or any kind stance , > overlay and said it is like being in the zone in sports. Now again I ask > you to imagine, that you sit in meditation as instructed, in my case it > was Surat Shabd Yoga style, and do it just like you would > approach a tennis lesson. > > From there being in the thoughtless 'zone' of a tennis match is not hard > to imagine, is it ? > > Same with meditation, after many times of PRACTICE thought falls away, > body consciousness falls away, mind is left behind and one enters > WITHIN, dead to the world: that is why is termed Self-Realization. > <within> > > > > Can thought turn within or can thought hear or smell or feel or see ? > > Surely not. > > > Mind can; the house of thought. > > > Once in a Ramana forum I asked if someone could tell me what " within " > > means. Six people answered and everyone had a different idea what it > > is > > > haha yes ! > > > > > I am afraid " Within " is just a myth and no one ever has been there. > > No, it is mapped and known by those... who done it.. > > > > Werner > > Era > > > > Nisargadatta: > > > > ..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of > > presence you have, this consciousness. > > .... > > > > This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to > anything > > else? > > ..... > > The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know > > that you are present. > > .... > > The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave > > spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification > with > > the body. > > .... > > > > Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the > > consciousness. > > ... > > Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the > senses and > > see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, > I am > > not the senses. " > > Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further > things > > happen automatically. > > .... > > > > Era > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 18, 2008 Report Share Posted June 18, 2008 The contemplation Nisargadatta did was different than Om Yoga tho.. > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who is > > that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will turn > > within " , isn't it ? > > Practice is *also* outside of " thought " . I brought up a sport analogue > once to you to explain > the state of being with full awareness in the now, without judging, > thinking, or any kind stance , > overlay and said it is like being in the zone in sports. Now again I ask > you to imagine, that you sit in meditation as instructed, in my case it > was Surat Shabd Yoga style, and do it just like you would > approach a tennis lesson. > > From there being in the thoughtless 'zone' of a tennis match is not hard > to imagine, is it ? > > Same with meditation, after many times of PRACTICE thought falls away, > body consciousness falls away, mind is left behind and one enters > WITHIN, dead to the world: that is why is termed Self-Realization. > <within> > > > > Can thought turn within or can thought hear or smell or feel or see ? > > Surely not. > > > Mind can; the house of thought. > > > Once in a Ramana forum I asked if someone could tell me what " within " > > means. Six people answered and everyone had a different idea what it > > is > > > haha yes ! > > > > > I am afraid " Within " is just a myth and no one ever has been there. > > No, it is mapped and known by those... who done it.. > > > > Werner > > Era > > > > Nisargadatta: > > > > ..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of > > presence you have, this consciousness. > > .... > > > > This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to > anything > > else? > > ..... > > The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know > > that you are present. > > .... > > The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave > > spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification > with > > the body. > > .... > > > > Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the > > consciousness. > > ... > > Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the > senses and > > see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, > I am > > not the senses. " > > Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further > things > > happen automatically. > > .... > > > > Era > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > Era, " Contemplation, meditation " also is spiritual slang. You are just substituting " turning inside " with another word. So I ask you: Who is the contemplator or who is the meditator ? > > > > I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who is > > that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will turn > > within " , isn't it ? > > Practice is *also* outside of " thought " . Era, who is practicing ? Isn't it you ? If yes, who is that practicing " you " ? > I brought up a sport analogue > once to you to explain > the state of being with full awareness in the now, without judging, > thinking, or any kind stance , > overlay and said it is like being in the zone in sports. Era, I am not interested in being " fully aware " (whatever that is) but I just wanted to know what the hell is " inside " . > Now again I ask > you to imagine, that you sit in meditation as instructed, in my case it > was Surat Shabd Yoga style, and do it just like you would > approach a tennis lesson. Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. Who is the meditator ? > > From there being in the thoughtless 'zone' of a tennis match is not hard > to imagine, is it ? Era, a " thoughtless zone " is something you must have read of and then you started to hope or to believe you could enter it. Can day- dreaming of a thoughtless zone enter that zone ? > > Same with meditation, after many times of PRACTICE thought falls away, Through some practice thought cannot fall away because the practicer is thought itself: Thouht is practing to end itself - how ridiculous all that is. Don't you see it ? Werner > body consciousness falls away, mind is left behind and one enters > WITHIN, dead to the world: that is why is termed Self-Realization. > <within> > > > > Can thought turn within or can thought hear or smell or feel or see ? > > Surely not. > > > Mind can; the house of thought. > > > Once in a Ramana forum I asked if someone could tell me what " within " > > means. Six people answered and everyone had a different idea what it > > is > > > haha yes ! > > > > > I am afraid " Within " is just a myth and no one ever has been there. > > No, it is mapped and known by those... who done it.. > > > > Werner > > Era > > > > Nisargadatta: > > > > ..I talk about your true nature and your true nature is the sense of > > presence you have, this consciousness. > > .... > > > > This sense of presence, this consciousness, is it not prior to > anything > > else? > > ..... > > The sense of presence does not need any activity of the mind to know > > that you are present. > > .... > > The sense of presence, which has come spontaneously, will leave > > spontaneously. There is no individual except through identification > with > > the body. > > .... > > > > Find out how this consciousness has arisen, the source of the > > consciousness. > > ... > > Go within. Your normal inclination is to come out through the > senses and > > see the world. Now reverse: " I am not the body, I am not the mind, > I am > > not the senses. " > > Then you are stabilized in consciousness. After that, all further > things > > happen automatically. > > .... > > > > Era > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > The fact that you believe you succeeded ........means you didn't toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I > was trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. Era, " Contemplation, meditation " also is spiritual slang. You are just substituting " turning inside " with another word. E: ok w: So I ask you: Who is the contemplator or who is the meditator ? > > I myself have no idea what " within " means or what it is. And who > > is that who will turn within ? It is thought which says " Now I will > > turn within " , isn't it ? > > Practice is *also* outside of " thought " . Era, who is practicing ? Isn't it you ? If yes, who is that practicing " you " ? E: it is " me " born to search. > I brought up a sport analogue > once to you to explain > the state of being with full awareness in the now, without judging, > thinking, or any kind stance , > overlay and said it is like being in the zone in sports. Era, I am not interested in being " fully aware " (whatever that is) but I just wanted to know what the hell is " inside " . E: OKEY than we have no need to continue.. > Now again I ask > you to imagine, that you sit in meditation as instructed, in my > case it was Surat Shabd Yoga style, and do it just like you would > approach a tennis lesson. Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. Who is the meditator ? E: the one who is seeking ultimate refuge out of ignorance: suffering > From there being in the thoughtless 'zone' of a tennis match is not > hard to imagine, is it ? Era, a " thoughtless zone " is something you must have read of and then you started to hope or to believe you could enter it. Can day-dreaming of a thoughtless zone enter that zone ? e: NO! I play tennis, I know first hand. > Same with meditation, after many times of PRACTICE thought falls away, w: Through some practice thought cannot fall away because the practicer is thought itself: Thouht is practing to end itself - how ridiculous all that is. Don't you see it ? E: Yes. It is my life to practice and yours is to see it as ridiculous. Werner Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 ]\> > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and > > I was > > trained to meditate and > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > The fact that you believe you succeeded ........means you didn't You are addressing your understanding of me succeeding Tommy. I DID LEARN HOW TO MEDITATE as I was instructed. So yes, I did succeed Era > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 > > Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. > Who is the meditator ? > > > E: the one who is seeking ultimate refuge out of ignorance: suffering > > The best way to encourage suffering by attempting to avoid it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. > > Who is the meditator ? > > > > > > E: the one who is seeking ultimate refuge out of ignorance: suffering > > > > > > > > The best way to encourage suffering by attempting to avoid it. > > > > > > toombaru .....is this here still the practise of empty words going on?.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 > > > > > > Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. > > Who is the meditator ? > > > > > > E: the one who is seeking ultimate refuge out of ignorance: suffering > > > > > > > > The best way to encourage suffering by attempting to avoid it. Tommy you are stalking me imo. Picking out one sentence from my posts and trumping them ! I said the above to Werner in a 'Buddhist' sense. I was taught yoga as a kid before I ever heard of seeking btw, what you are trying to bring up.. And seeking is OK with me. I AM NATURALLY CURIOUS. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 19, 2008 Report Share Posted June 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Era, I never sit in meditation - it would be to stupid to do that. > > > Who is the meditator ? > > > > > > > > > E: the one who is seeking ultimate refuge out of ignorance: suffering > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The best way to encourage suffering by attempting to avoid it. > > > Tommy you are stalking me imo. Picking out one sentence from my posts > and trumping them ! And I think you are becoming paranoid. I question your beliefs only because they are so questionable. > > I said the above to Werner in a 'Buddhist' sense. > > I was taught yoga as a kid before I ever heard of seeking btw, what > you are trying to bring up.. > > And seeking is OK with me. I AM NATURALLY CURIOUS. > > > > Then consider seeking something other than your own delusions. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 26, 2008 Report Share Posted June 26, 2008 --- In Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > And did you succed ? > > Hi Werner, > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > trained to meditate and > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > toombaru wrote, “The fact that you believe you succeeded ........means you didn't” And I might add, “If you believe you failed…..means you didn’t”! :-0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson wrote: > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > trained to meditate and > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded ........means you > didn't " > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > > trained to meditate and > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded .........means you > > didn't " > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > toombaru if you believe in mistakes you are lost. that's just another belief. don't believe it. try. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > > trained to meditate and > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded .........means you > > didn't " > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > toombaru > Toomie, I think you are the eternal optimist... thinking as if beLIEfs had any validity... And of course, unbeknown to the lot of us, that thought is just as (in)valid as the next one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > > > trained to meditate and > > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded > ........means you > > > didn't " > > > > > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > if you believe in mistakes you are lost. > > that's just another belief. > > don't believe it. > > try. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > If you believe that a mirage can quench your thirst.............you are mistaken. If you believe that you can live on the sun......you are mistaken. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > > > trained to meditate and > > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded > ........means you > > > didn't " > > > > > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > if you believe in mistakes you are lost. > > that's just another belief. > > don't believe it. > > try. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. .....the non-believers, non-dualists and non-losts are back in town?...... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and I was > > > > > trained to meditate and > > > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded > > ........means you > > > > didn't " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > if you believe in mistakes you are lost. > > > > that's just another belief. > > > > don't believe it. > > > > try. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > If you believe that a mirage can quench your thirst.............you are mistaken. > > > > If you believe that you can live on the sun......you are mistaken. > > > > > t. that's your belief. if you believe that... what is written in your post.. you are toombaru. that's the same as being lost. if you believe that you are not.... you believe in yourself. what a misapprehension! nice meaningless metaphors though toom. just don't get hung up in figures of speech.. in which an expression is used... to refer to something that it does not, or literally denote in order to suggest a similarity. now that would silly. you shouldn't do that even though you always do. there are no such things as mistakes. 'what is'...is never mistaken. even if you disagree with it. i disagree with what you wrote.. but neither that, nor your writing it, was 'mistaken'. it is. that's all. relax. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried > it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and > I was > > > > > trained to meditate and > > > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did > succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded > > ........means you > > > > didn't " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you > didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > if you believe in mistakes you are lost. > > > > that's just another belief. > > > > don't believe it. > > > > try. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > ....the non-believers, non-dualists and non-losts are back in > town?...... > > Marc > > > > > > > Hi Ho Marc, Presence is always present and accounted for in any number of places, it's a wild and crazy wo/man who succeeds in sorting it all out. There's a bit of in sanity here. ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Michael Adamson " <adamson@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > <Nisargadatta%40> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ok, Era, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Where is this " within " and what is it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > To be honest, have you ever gone within, or at least tried > > it ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And did you succed ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Werner, > > > > > > > > > > > > " within " is spiritual slang for contemplation, meditation and > > I was > > > > > > trained to meditate and > > > > > > meditated 24/7 in India for a year at times, and I did > > succeed. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru wrote, " The fact that you believe you succeeded > > > ........means you > > > > > didn't " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And I might add, " If you believe you failed…..means you > > didn't " ! :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If you believe you believe.......you're mistaken. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > if you believe in mistakes you are lost. > > > > > > that's just another belief. > > > > > > don't believe it. > > > > > > try. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > ....the non-believers, non-dualists and non-losts are back in > > town?...... > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Ho Marc, > > Presence is always present and accounted for in any number of places, > it's a wild and crazy wo/man who succeeds in sorting it all out. > > There's a bit of in sanity here. > > ;-) ahhh ok.....why shouldn't i believe you.... why not Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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