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Upon Shri Ged-s request I am forwarding my pvt email to him to the group as

well, in case it is of some help to others as well.

 

Hari OM

Shyam

 

--- On Fri, 10/9/09, Shyam <shyam_md wrote:

 

 

Shyam <shyam_md

Re: Meditation

" Gede Dean " <atma-vichara

Friday, October 9, 2009, 12:50 PM

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Dear Ged

Pranams

I think this is the crux of your question:

 

" > Isn't this a contradiction with Sri

> Ramana who said to not meditate on a thought, even the

> " I Am Brahman's "

> thought? "

 

Let me offer you my perspective on this.

Meditation can either be upasana or dhyana - which is a mental activity, or

nidhidhyasana, or an abidance in Self.

 

There is a school of thought(many even in traditional advaita who to

this) that feels one must meditate - i.e. dhyana - on this thought " aham

brahmasmi "   and it is this meditation, and not the mahavakya itself,

that enables the transforming liberation to unfold.

 

This view is summarily rejected by Shankara and I think this is also what

Bhagwan Ramana is pointing to.

 

The difference between this kind of upasana and nidhidhyasana is that the former

is purusha tantra and the latter is vastu tantra.

 

In upasana meditation - there is effort on the part of the seeker to train his

mind exclusively on the object of the meditation - the object may be a symbol

like a cross, a personal God like Krishna or Mother Mary, etc or a concept -

like " I am Brahman " - the effort of that meditation itself determines the

efficacy. Hence it is called purusha tantra. It is an attempt to achieve

something not yet in hand.

 

In vastu tantra meditation - which is nidhidhyasana - the " vastu " i.e. the Self

is ever-present, ever-available, ever- " seen "  - no effort is needed to achieve

it - if there are no distractions the Self shines forth on its own accord. It is

like opening your eyes and seeing a flower - knowledge of the flower is not

based on your effort but is a consequence of the eye, the organ

of vision, interacting with the object flower - no effort is needed. Similarly

knowledge of the Self will accrue when the words of the Guru fall on the Ego

- IF there are no obstrcutions. If the flower is not seen it could be because

the eye is distracted by a snake lying next to the flower and the vision is

focussed elsewhere as a result. So in order to see the flower the eye needs to

be directed away from the snake - until when - until the flower alone is seen to

the exclusion of everything else. The effort made here is not to make an unseen

flower seen, but in focussing the

attention to be on the ever-seen flower alone.

 

And so it is with Self-contemplation. This is what Bhagwan Ramana talsk about -

see his words from the RIbhu Gita:

 

45. The bhavana ‘aham brahmasmi’ swiftly takes one to mukti.

46. The illusion that one is the body and that the world is the basic reality

has remained soaked over a long, long time, and cannot be got rid of by a mere

understanding of the truth. The basic illusion can be effaced only by a long and

unremitting practice of the bhavana that all this is ‘aham brahmasmi'.

50. One should abide in the rock-firm bhavana that‘Everything is only

Brahman-Self and I am that Brahman-Self’.

By this bhavana all thought movements and nescience will disappear, resulting in

the eternal abidance in the sole Sat-Chit-Ananda-Self.

59. In the conviction that ‘aham brahmasmi’ in which no thought, ego,

desire, mind or confusion can exist one should

abide still, free from trace of thought.

60. The firm faith of being the Self is sufficient to dispel all thought and

establish one in Brahman. In due course of this practice, even the thought

involved in that faith fades away leading to the spontaneous effulgence of the

Self.

69. By the persistent and continued bhavana of ‘aham brahmasmi’ all thoughts

and feelings of differentiation of Self and non-Self will drop off and permanent

abidance in Brahman will be achieved.

 

 

I hope my understanding of your question was correct and this offers you a

perspective on the same.

 

Hari OM

Shyam

 

--- On Thu, 10/8/09, Gede Dean <atma-vichara wrote:

 

> Gede Dean <atma-vichara

> Meditation

> " Shyam " <shyam_md

> Thursday, October 8, 2009, 12:04 PM

>

>

>

>

>

> Dear

> Shyam,

> Pranams

> Thank

> you. 

>  

>  

> " Steadfastness "

>  

> Quote: " Knowledge-continues in the form of

> the conviction that one's own

> Self has been realized, then THAT CONTINUANCE is called the

> Supreme

> steadfastness (nistha) in

> Knowledge. "

>  

> My comprehension:

> The utter conviction (Rhibu Gita

> " Bhavana " ) that one's own Self has realized is

> the understanding of Steadfastness and I would tend to

> understand that it is also the " one-pointedness "

> mentionned by Sri Ramana. Then vichara is abiding in the

> self, keeping the attention on the self or as Sri

> Nisargadatta said on the I Am, the

> beingness.

>  

> Quote:

> " So the question

> remains as to whether after the dawn of doubtless knowledge,

> is there anything more that needs to be done? The answer is

> no.

> There

> is nothing that needs to be DONE once knowledge has been

> gained, but there may be something that needs to be

> UNDONE "

>  

> Thus it is just continuing in the conviction

> of one's own Self has been realized. Not accepting any

> thoughts about attaining realisation, jivan mukti, convinced

> that one is already Brahman.

>  

> Quotes:

>

> " Be ever

> established in the conviction I am

> Brahman "

>  

> " The

> “having known†here refers to aparoksha jnana – in

> other words aham brahmasmi - alone

> – but this knowledge now needs to be constantly and

> incessantly contemplated upon by directing one’s thoughts

> exclusively towards it. "

>  

> Isn't this a contradiction with Sri

> Ramana who said to not meditate on a thought, even the

> " I Am Brahman's "

> thought?

>  

> My gratitude,

>  

> Ged

>  

> P.S.  My mother tongue is French and although

> my English is good, sometime the subtle language differences

> are difficult to grasp for me. Consequently I might ask

> basic questions after your replies. Please bear with

> me.

> Nouveau :

> connexion à Hotmail par MSN!

>

 

 

 

 

 

 

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