Guest guest Posted June 22, 2008 Report Share Posted June 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > ...iietsa what do you mean? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 24, 2008 Report Share Posted June 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > ...iietsa > Why don't you sit a bit on that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > ...iietsa > > > what do you mean? > > .b b.b. > what do I mean?...whats my point?... ....there are so many points running around in all corners of the mind. ....and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to others. look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I try to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the toilet...its not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet-creature...and thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats life...the toilet-living-life " I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... ....Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as long as it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated as garbage...not as jewels... there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long as one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of wisdom closed... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the mind. > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > others. > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I try > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the toilet...its > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet-creature...and > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats life...the > toilet-living-life " > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as long as > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated as > garbage...not as jewels... > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long as > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of wisdom > closed... > ...iietsa > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is because of this space that you give...that the music becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the fantastic music or any other object... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the mind. > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > others. > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I try > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the toilet...its > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet-creature...and > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats life...the > toilet-living-life " > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as long as > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated as > garbage...not as jewels... > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long as > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of wisdom > closed... > ...iietsa hmmm..uh huh. you bet. but what's your point? what do you mean? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > mind. > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > > others. > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I > try > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > toilet...its > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet-creature...and > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > life...the > > toilet-living-life " > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > long as > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated > as > > garbage...not as jewels... > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long > as > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > wisdom > > closed... > > ...iietsa > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > fantastic music or any other object... > ...iietsa it's the silence between the notes that 'counts'.. in more ways than one. neither 'you' nor 'i', nor anyone nor anything.. can 'grab' music. that's the true beauty of it. it is a sorrowful thing if you have missed this. now that's NOT an error. it's just the way it is for you, and that's OK with me. and for a beautiful pix.. well without the background and foreground.. and all that is NOT the pix considered.. there could be no picture at all. 'space' cannot be 'given' to anything. everything already has..is..and always will be and possess..'space'. ..b b.b. p.s. ALL music is fantastic. some just don't have the ears to hear.. though they be not tone deaf... they miss it completely. same same for art of any kind or consideration. you can't do anything. it is done from the beginning. wherefore and why, whither and whichever.. cannot be determined by words nor thought. better to go fishing than to cut bait that isn't there. just do it. forget the philosophizing. it leads to confusion. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any...you will notice that you give place...give room to this music...and it is because of this space that you give...that the musicbecomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space toall the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are notdifferent from this openness...the error comes in when you grab thefantastic music or any other object......iietsa-=-=-=-=-=-=reminds me of: Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > mind. > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > > others. > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I > try > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > toilet...its > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- creature...and > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > life...the > > toilet-living-life " > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > long as > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated > as > > garbage...not as jewels... > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long > as > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > wisdom > > closed... > > ...iietsa > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > fantastic music or any other object... > ...iietsa > Not quite, ietsa, YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is no YOU who can do that. It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions will fade into the background. I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is because of this space that you give...that the music becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the fantastic music or any other object... ....iietsa Not quite, ietsa, YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is no YOU who can do that. It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions will fade into the background. I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. Werner -=-=-=-=-=-= I agree.. Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 27, 2008 Report Share Posted June 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > fantastic music or any other object... > ...iietsa > > Not quite, ietsa, > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is no > YOU who can do that. > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions will > fade into the background. > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > Werner > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > I agree.. > > Era LOL! it's neat to see two no-'you's agree. two actual 'you's would never put up with agreement of any kind. uhm...how do non-'you's daydream..wishful or otherwise? about hands, beauty, music,love, self-realitaion... enlightenment, God, Jesus? awaiting the 'non-you' answer of the ages.. though the answer too may not be in your hands.. regarding how 'no-you's make wishes baba remains, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > > mind. > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior > to > > > others. > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what > I > > try > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > toilet...its > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > is > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > creature...and > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > life...the > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > now... > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- p:s... > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > this > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > deaf... > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > long as > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > treated > > as > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > long > > as > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > ignorance > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > wisdom > > > closed... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > > fantastic music or any other object... > > ...iietsa > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is no > YOU who can do that. > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions will > fade into the background. > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > Werner > powerful music...? are you on drugs... I dont say that there is a me that creates the space... space is there always...ever...and it is impossible to create... but because of ignorance we are blind to this... and from this blindness we are constantly searching for and clinging to an object...like drugs or powerful music... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > fantastic music or any other object... > ...iietsa > > Not quite, ietsa, > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is no > YOU who can do that. > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions will > fade into the background. > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > Werner > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > I agree.. > > Era > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over the world...but what does that prove...nothing... it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a stand, but to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and pure observation there is...try it once, and you will realise agreeing as mere garbage... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of > the > > > mind. > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > superior > > to > > > > others. > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is > what > > I > > > try > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words > to > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > toilet...its > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > > is > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > creature...and > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > life...the > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > > now... > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > p:s... > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > > this > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > deaf... > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > > long as > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > treated > > > as > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > > long > > > as > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > ignorance > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > > wisdom > > > > closed... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space > to > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > not > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > the > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is > no > > YOU who can do that. > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions > will > > fade into the background. > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > Werner > > > > powerful music...? > are you on drugs... > > I dont say that there is a me that creates the space... yes you did: " when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is because of this space that YOU GIVE...that the music becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the worlds and everything " now c'mon iietsa! are you saying that you did NOT write that?????????? who are you trying to fool? yourself maybe? do you ever look at what you're saying or do you just type away? Sheesh! ..b b.b. p.s. are you on drugs? you COULD fool everyone if you're NOT. and whatever drugs they may be.. they're bad drugs for sure. space is there always...ever...and it is impossible to create... > but because of ignorance we are blind to this... > and from this blindness we are constantly searching for and clinging > to an object...like drugs or powerful music... > ...iietsa > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > > fantastic music or any other object... > > ...iietsa > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is > no > > YOU who can do that. > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions > will > > fade into the background. > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > Werner > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > I agree.. > > > > Era > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over the > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a stand, but > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and pure > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise agreeing as > mere garbage... > ...iietsa > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of the written language, with that you comply to very very old agreements. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 28, 2008 Report Share Posted June 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > not > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > the > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there > is > > no > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > different > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions > > will > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is > just > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > I agree.. > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over the > > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a stand, > but > > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and pure > > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise agreeing > as > > mere garbage... > > ...iietsa > > > > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of the > written language, with that you comply to very very old agreements. you too Dusty. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > not > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > the > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there > is > > no > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > different > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions > > will > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is > just > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > I agree.. > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over the > > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a stand, > but > > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and pure > > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise agreeing > as > > mere garbage... > > ...iietsa > > > > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of the > written language, with that you comply to very very old agreements. > ....thats because all verbal language is old and ful of dust... I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow better... they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear better or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space > to > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > > not > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > > the > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there > > is > > > no > > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > > different > > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other > impressions > > > will > > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand > to > > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, > music, > > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is > > just > > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over the > > > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > > > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > > > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a stand, > > but > > > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and > pure > > > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise agreeing > > as > > > mere garbage... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of the > > written language, with that you comply to very very old agreements. > > > > ...thats because all verbal language is old and ful of dust... > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow better... > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear better or > worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > ...iietsa > No need for explanation, or need to defend you...than. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this > music... > > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this > space > > to > > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you > are > > > not > > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you > grab > > > the > > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because > there > > > is > > > > no > > > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > > > different > > > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other > > impressions > > > > will > > > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's > hand > > to > > > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, > > music, > > > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that > is > > > just > > > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day- dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over > the > > > > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > > > > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > > > > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a > stand, > > > but > > > > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true and > > pure > > > > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise > agreeing > > > as > > > > mere garbage... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of > the > > > written language, with that you comply to very very old > agreements. > > > > > > > ...thats because all verbal language is old and ful of dust... > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow better... > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear better > or > > worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > ...iietsa > > > > No need for explanation, or need to defend you...than. > naturaly, I never defend myself verbaly... ....as I comunicated earlier...I am not caught up or mixed up, in or with words... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 29, 2008 Report Share Posted June 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Johan " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this > > music... > > > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the > music > > > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this > > space > > > to > > > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you > > are > > > > not > > > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you > > grab > > > > the > > > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because > > there > > > > is > > > > > no > > > > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in > > > > different > > > > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other > > > impressions > > > > > will > > > > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's > > hand > > > to > > > > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, > > > music, > > > > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that > > is > > > > just > > > > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day- > dreaming. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > millions of people are agreeing on different issues all over > > the > > > > > world...but what does that prove...nothing... > > > > > it only demonstrates the limitations of the mind... > > > > > a more intelligent way to look at things is to not take a > > stand, > > > > but > > > > > to stay open in not-concluding observation...the onle true > and > > > pure > > > > > observation there is...try it once, and you will realise > > agreeing > > > > as > > > > > mere garbage... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Your post is full of dust and cob webs...you used the tools of > > the > > > > written language, with that you comply to very very old > > agreements. > > > > > > > > > > ...thats because all verbal language is old and ful of dust... > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow better... > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear > better > > or > > > worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > No need for explanation, or need to defend you...than. > > > > naturaly, I never defend myself verbaly... > ...as I comunicated earlier...I am not caught up or mixed up, in or > with words... > ...iietsa > to be continued... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 30, 2008 Report Share Posted June 30, 2008 > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > better... > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear > > > better > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > ...iietsa > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because your' not caught... ? what a choice ! good agreement.. Era Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > > better... > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear > > > > better > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because your' > not caught... ? > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > Era > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... when I say that I am not caught up in words... it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... just listen without judging...and you will see pure... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the mind. > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > > others. > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I try > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the toilet...its > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- creature...and > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats life...the > > toilet-living-life " > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t-p:s... > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as long as > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated as > > garbage...not as jewels... > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long as > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of wisdom > > closed... > > ...iietsa > > > > hmmm..uh huh. > > you bet. > > but what's your point? > > what do you mean? > > .b b.b. > as long as one is holding on to the idea that there is a point...to be found or to be hold...ignorance is fuled... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of the > > mind. > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are superior to > > > others. > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is what I > > try > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words to > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > toilet...its > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody is > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- creature...and > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > life...the > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time now... > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- p:s... > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at this > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the deaf... > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > long as > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and treated > > as > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as long > > as > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only ignorance > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > wisdom > > > closed... > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are not > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab the > > fantastic music or any other object... > > ...iietsa it's the silence between the notes that 'counts'.. > > in more ways than one. > > neither 'you' nor 'i', nor anyone nor anything.. > > can 'grab' music. > > that's the true beauty of it. > > it is a sorrowful thing if you have missed this. > > now that's NOT an error. > > it's just the way it is for you, and that's OK with me. > > and for a beautiful pix.. > > well without the background and foreground.. > > and all that is NOT the pix considered.. > > there could be no picture at all. > > 'space' cannot be 'given' to anything. > > everything already has..is..and always will be and possess..'space'. > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > p.s. > > ALL music is fantastic. > > some just don't have the ears to hear.. > > though they be not tone deaf... > > they miss it completely. > > same same for art of any kind or consideration. > > you can't do anything. > > it is done from the beginning. > > wherefore and why, whither and whichever.. > > cannot be determined by words nor thought. > > better to go fishing than to cut bait that isn't there. > > just do it. > > forget the philosophizing. > > it leads to confusion. > > .b b.b. > yes..all music is played in the heart of peace... but not all men know this heart of hearts directly without division... so the above was written as what could be called a short-cut to this heart... there is never any reason to give medicine to the healthy one... only to the sick... if you are not sick...then all medicine is like poison in a way... no need to take or release...no way to react...only peace...and lots of fishes in a fishbowl... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > is there such a thing as a point or a meaning? > > > > > > > or is this only something that the mind has made up? > > > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do you mean? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > what do I mean?...whats my point?... > > > > > > > > > > ...there are so many points running around in all corners of > > the > > > > mind. > > > > > ...and people seem to think that one or some points are > > superior > > > to > > > > > others. > > > > > look at this forum...ful of garbage in different clothes... > > > > > the fool is always trying to make pretty...what is in nature > > > > > ugly...using all kinds of tricks...but he never understands > > > > > this...because he is so wrapped up in conceptual living... > > > > > I dont have a point...and I dont mean nada...I guess this is > > what > > > I > > > > try > > > > > to comunicate to the one that is not a ghoast...in other words > > to > > > > > noone...its like using the toiletpaper after visiting the > > > > toilet...its > > > > > not much to talk about...but its the only thing to talk about... > > > > > there is nothing superior in the toiletbusiness...but everybody > > > is > > > > > mixed up with it and keep mantra-ing " I am a toilet- > > > creature...and > > > > > thats all I am " ... " there are good times and bad...but thats > > > > life...the > > > > > toilet-living-life " > > > > > > > > > > I have been posting toilet-paper to this forum for some time > > > now... > > > > > and there is more or less always a tendency to grab these t- > > p:s... > > > > > all I have to say is that all t-p:s is meaningless... > > > > > but I understand that this understanding is not even shared at > > > this > > > > > forum...the so called (non-dual forum)...mere words for the > > > deaf... > > > > > ...Ill guess this parroting-game will continue even here for as > > > > long as > > > > > it takes...but someday all this will be seen through...and > > > treated > > > > as > > > > > garbage...not as jewels... > > > > > there is only one jewel...and that one will never be found as > > > long > > > > as > > > > > one believes in garbage-jewels...because that is the only > > > ignorance > > > > > there is...and it will continue as long as one keeps the eye of > > > > wisdom > > > > > closed... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... > > > > you will notice that you give place...give room to this music... > > > > and it is because of this space that you give...that the music > > > > becomes fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space > > to > > > > all the worlds and everything and you will realise that you are > > not > > > > different from this openness...the error comes in when you grab > > the > > > > fantastic music or any other object... > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not quite, ietsa, > > > > > > YOU don't give room or space to the music. Simply because there is > > no > > > YOU who can do that. > > > > > > It is the music itself which creates its own space or, in different > > > words if the music is powerful enough then all other impressions > > will > > > fade into the background. > > > > > > I know, it is a seducing idea that it is giving into one's hand to > > > create space for all kinds of " higher " things like beauty, music, > > > love, self-realitaion, enlightenment, God, Jesus - but that is just > > > an idea and remains wishful day-dreaming. > > > > > > Nothing is give into your hands, ietsa, besides day-dreaming. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > powerful music...? > > are you on drugs... > > > > I dont say that there is a me that creates the space... > > > > > yes you did: > > > " when you listen to a fantastic piece of music...pic any... you will > notice that you give place...give room to this music... and it is > because of this space that YOU GIVE...that the music becomes > fantastic...now all you have to do is giving this space to all the > worlds and everything " now c'mon iietsa! > > are you saying that you did NOT write that?????????? > > who are you trying to fool? > > yourself maybe? > > do you ever look at what you're saying or do you just type away? > > Sheesh! > > .b b.b. > > p.s. > > are you on drugs? > > you COULD fool everyone if you're NOT. > > and whatever drugs they may be.. > > they're bad drugs for sure. > I dont give much importance to words...so yes, in a way I just type away...what I meant when I was typing " give room " was just a way to trick the mind... lets see it this way... the ignorant one is asleep...dreaming... but he himself says he is not asleep...and not dreaming... so because of this it is impossible to wake him up... ....so instead I use a trick to sleep him into dream... ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 2, 2008 Report Share Posted July 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > -=-=-=-=-=-= > > > > > > > > > I agree.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Era > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I never said that the words used here by (me) is somehow > > > > > better... > > > > > they are all the same...garbage...but to some, words appear > > > > > better > > > > > or worse so they are caught up in the webs...I am not... > > > > > ...iietsa > > > > > > > > > ahh you mean that you are better than other posters because your' > > not caught... ? > > > > what a choice ! good agreement.. > > > > > > Era > > > > I say one thing and the ignorant hears another... > when I say that I am not caught up in words... > it does not mean that I am better...or any other word... > just listen without judging...and you will see pure... > ...iietsa pure what? an idea of 'pure' what has formed.. but it could sound offensive if asked if it was what you referred to. moo. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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