Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 >Eric: Seeking is hell-propelled, it is the emergency to have to find > the > exit soon or suicide is the only options; this life is unbearable > and a normal sensitive mind cannot make it if it has not found > liberation. Era: Seeking is hell-propelled only for those who are waiting for a miracle. I wonder would anyone expect to play tennis whith out PRACTICE ? I guess not ! Same is to gain spiritual understanding, seeking should consist of practice some sort, meditation and that leads to liberation, not to hell. PLUS I know for a fact, that ppl who meditate have a radius of elevated peaceful aura projected sometimes for miles, so to 'seek' can be a good thing. > ... > What options does it leave us? > Most minds have found their anesthesia, their anodyne and their > tranquilizer to avoid see the horror of what is happening to our > body, > our beloved, our hopes, our desire to make the world a nice place, > our > sense of justice, of harmony, they are all savagely mistreated, > decay die and rot. > > We end up lying to oneself, to the world, we lose faith in > liberation > or we chose to call our endless spiritual waiting room a " so-so nice > bearable place " , ... the Buddha Shakyamuni spoke against it, he saw > how cool were ppl relying on him and believing that just being > around > the Enlightened One everything was going to be alright. > > It all turns into a social circus and " where you at Andrew Cohen's > last speech and, the vibes were AWEsome and how much did you pay? " > > While seeking is precisely the inability to be reassured and content > with any of that crap and discourses and lies, seeking is precisely > not being able to bear the presence of another seeker or unable to > believe that anything, any method any angle will ever relieve or > assuage THAT ... THAT fire of doom, the cursed flesh entrapment. > > Seeking is unbearable, a fever that nothing can cool, it hates > everything and does not believe in achievers and masters, they all > lie; a seeker recognizes himself perfectly in his inability to > handle > his life, his communication, his seeking, his image of himself, he > can't stand the filthy contact of life on his skin; he is not a > candy > boy and you don't calm him down with sweets and nice talks and a > loving group chanting, Tolle's last book... these are for the stoned > zombies, the drugged cowards, the dumbed down crowds. > > Only one thing can terminate that sleep and that ignorance and it > has > to be total, you don't give a lover, girls who " resemble " his lost > love, they make the wound grow sour. > > Only perfection makes peace; there is only one brand of it, and no > one can tell you how to get it. P: Wow! Pathos inspires your eloquence! This is the longest post you have written in quite a while. I'm not mocking you. I think it's good for you to seek clarity in writing, and not to play the oracle posting only cryptic paragraphs. Buddha said life is dukkha. Someone, in Nondual Philosophy, mentioned that dukkha, originally, meant wheel. To be tied to a cart wheel and be left to die thus, after all your bones were broken, was an ancient form of punishment. To what revolving wheel are we tied to? Consciousness, of course. Consciousness endlessly revolve, it's change itself. it can't perceive otherwise, it can't grasp its immutable hub. Tolong for permanence, to want to be permanent is our torment. We want a satisfaction that doesn't fade, but only find satisfaction for a little while, to desire again. All is flux, but the hub, to us,seems permanent. When in meditation we pay attention to paying attention the hub appears, and we see our true nature as that hub, but it's not a solid axle. We can't be the hub. The wheel of consciousness, as a hurricane, revolves around and empty eye. It can't be called I, or me, or us. It's a void, it only exist as the absence of the wheel, the absence of change. We can't have nirvana, without sansara. Pay attention to paying attention, to exist is to change. The permanent is a void that no one can be there to grasp. http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 3, 2008 Report Share Posted July 3, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Era " <mi_nok wrote: > > >Eric: Seeking is hell-propelled, it is the emergency to have to find > > the > > exit soon or suicide is the only options; this life is unbearable > > and a normal sensitive mind cannot make it if it has not found > > liberation. > > Era: Seeking is hell-propelled only for those who are waiting for a > miracle. > > I wonder would anyone expect to play tennis whith out PRACTICE ? > > I guess not ! > > Same is to gain spiritual understanding, seeking should consist of > practice some sort, meditation and that leads to liberation, not to hell. > > PLUS I know for a fact, that ppl who meditate have a radius of > elevated peaceful aura projected sometimes for miles, so to 'seek' can > be a good thing. you 'know for a fact'? you may know the facts that you seek... which may or may not be true in a physically manifested state. that's the same stuff everybody knows. thems iz de facts ma'am. ..b b.b. > > What options does it leave us? > > Most minds have found their anesthesia, their anodyne and their > > tranquilizer to avoid see the horror of what is happening to our > > body, > > our beloved, our hopes, our desire to make the world a nice place, > > our > > sense of justice, of harmony, they are all savagely mistreated, > > decay die and rot. > > > > We end up lying to oneself, to the world, we lose faith in > > liberation > > or we chose to call our endless spiritual waiting room a " so-so nice > > bearable place " , ... the Buddha Shakyamuni spoke against it, he saw > > how cool were ppl relying on him and believing that just being > > around > > the Enlightened One everything was going to be alright. > > > > It all turns into a social circus and " where you at Andrew Cohen's > > last speech and, the vibes were AWEsome and how much did you pay? " > > > > While seeking is precisely the inability to be reassured and content > > with any of that crap and discourses and lies, seeking is precisely > > not being able to bear the presence of another seeker or unable to > > believe that anything, any method any angle will ever relieve or > > assuage THAT ... THAT fire of doom, the cursed flesh entrapment. > > > > Seeking is unbearable, a fever that nothing can cool, it hates > > everything and does not believe in achievers and masters, they all > > lie; a seeker recognizes himself perfectly in his inability to > > handle > > his life, his communication, his seeking, his image of himself, he > > can't stand the filthy contact of life on his skin; he is not a > > candy > > boy and you don't calm him down with sweets and nice talks and a > > loving group chanting, Tolle's last book... these are for the stoned > > zombies, the drugged cowards, the dumbed down crowds. > > > > Only one thing can terminate that sleep and that ignorance and it > > has > > to be total, you don't give a lover, girls who " resemble " his lost > > love, they make the wound grow sour. > > > > Only perfection makes peace; there is only one brand of it, and no > > one can tell you how to get it. > > P: Wow! Pathos inspires your eloquence! > This is the longest post you have written > in quite a while. I'm not mocking you. I > think it's good for you to seek clarity > in writing, and not to play the oracle > posting only cryptic paragraphs. > > Buddha said life is dukkha. Someone, in Nondual > Philosophy, mentioned that dukkha, originally, > meant wheel. To be tied to a cart wheel and > be left to die thus, after all your bones > were broken, was an ancient form of punishment. > > To what revolving wheel are we tied to? > > Consciousness, of course. Consciousness > endlessly revolve, it's change itself. > it can't perceive otherwise, it can't > grasp its immutable hub. > > Tolong for permanence, to want to > be permanent is our torment. We want a > satisfaction that doesn't fade, but > only find satisfaction for a little > while, to desire again. All is flux, > but the hub, to us,seems permanent. > > When in meditation we pay attention to > paying attention the hub appears, and we > see our true nature as that hub, but it's > not a solid axle. We can't be the hub. The > wheel of consciousness, as a hurricane, > revolves around and empty eye. It can't > be called I, or me, or us. It's a void, it > only exist as the absence of the wheel, the > absence of change. We can't have nirvana, > without sansara. Pay attention to paying > attention, to exist is to change. The > permanent is a void that no one can be > there to grasp. > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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