Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > - can I really live alone? P: No one, ever, has lived alone. A hermit, living in a hut in a deserted island has taken her mind with her, and this mind was fashioned by her culture, and is a representation of her countrymen. Every time she thinks, it's they who speak. It's the voices of her parents, her lovers, her teachers, her long gone friends and foes, her culture that she hears with every thought. One can live physically apart, but never alone. The mind is a machine which was programmed by others. It can only repeat such programming. Attention and clarity can change some of that software. A new software can be downloaded which will stop replaying the negative incidents in one's pasts. So, leaving your wife will only create different problems. It's better if you view your relationship with your wife as your most important sadhana. Perfecting that relationship will perfect your mind also. We can never leave the mind behind, we can only understand it better and change it somewhat. http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 23, 2008 Report Share Posted July 23, 2008 The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' there is no chatter or company. Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the conditioning and chatter. But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So there is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here already. Namaste, ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > > > - can I really live alone? > > > P: No one, ever, has lived alone. > > A hermit, living in a hut in a > deserted island has taken her > mind with her, and this mind was > fashioned by her culture, and is > a representation of her countrymen. > > Every time she thinks, it's they > who speak. It's the voices of > her parents, her lovers, her teachers, > her long gone friends and foes, her > culture that she hears with every > thought. > > One can live physically apart, but > never alone. The mind is a machine > which was programmed by others. It > can only repeat such programming. > > Attention and clarity can change > some of that software. A new > software can be downloaded which > will stop replaying the negative > incidents in one's pasts. > > So, leaving your wife will only > create different problems. It's > better if you view your relationship > with your wife as your most important > sadhana. Perfecting that relationship > will perfect your mind also. We can > never leave the mind behind, we can > only understand it better and change it > somewhat. > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > > > - can I really live alone? > > > P: No one, ever, has lived alone. True, Pete, no man is an island. Question: Is there any difference between mind and consciousness or are these just different words for the same thing ? Therefore one also could ask: Can consiousness ever be alone ? Krishnamurti often stated: You have to be totally alone. And then he went on explaining the root of " alone " as " all-one " , all one. As long as thought is occupied with another person then one is isolated from everything else - no matter if thazt person is physically present or if it is just an innere dialog with someone at the moment not being present. If one is totally alone then one is connected to all and everything. It is the end of isolation. Werner > > A hermit, living in a hut in a > deserted island has taken her > mind with her, and this mind was > fashioned by her culture, and is > a representation of her countrymen. > > Every time she thinks, it's they > who speak. It's the voices of > her parents, her lovers, her teachers, > her long gone friends and foes, her > culture that she hears with every > thought. > > One can live physically apart, but > never alone. The mind is a machine > which was programmed by others. It > can only repeat such programming. > > Attention and clarity can change > some of that software. A new > software can be downloaded which > will stop replaying the negative > incidents in one's pasts. > > So, leaving your wife will only > create different problems. It's > better if you view your relationship > with your wife as your most important > sadhana. Perfecting that relationship > will perfect your mind also. We can > never leave the mind behind, we can > only understand it better and change it > somewhat. > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Eric Putkonen wrote: > The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' there > is no chatter or company. > > Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the conditioning > and chatter. > > But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So there > is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here already. > > Namaste, > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > This is true, at least in my opinion. I often find myself participating or conversating with people or groups of people or in activities, but all the while I observe as though not THAT. I experience no loneliness though in that, I experience a liberation, a great joy. love and peace, tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' there > is no chatter or company. > > Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the conditioning > and chatter. > > But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So there > is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here already. > > Namaste, Thata just repeating Maharaj. And we all have read Maharaj. There is no need to cite him again. Stop that, Eric, and try to be a bit more genuine. And it would be also nice to stop that " Namaste " nonsense. Werner > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > > > > > - can I really live alone? > > > > > > P: No one, ever, has lived alone. > > > > A hermit, living in a hut in a > > deserted island has taken her > > mind with her, and this mind was > > fashioned by her culture, and is > > a representation of her countrymen. > > > > Every time she thinks, it's they > > who speak. It's the voices of > > her parents, her lovers, her teachers, > > her long gone friends and foes, her > > culture that she hears with every > > thought. > > > > One can live physically apart, but > > never alone. The mind is a machine > > which was programmed by others. It > > can only repeat such programming. > > > > Attention and clarity can change > > some of that software. A new > > software can be downloaded which > > will stop replaying the negative > > incidents in one's pasts. > > > > So, leaving your wife will only > > create different problems. It's > > better if you view your relationship > > with your wife as your most important > > sadhana. Perfecting that relationship > > will perfect your mind also. We can > > never leave the mind behind, we can > > only understand it better and change it > > somewhat. > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > > > > Pete > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' there > is no chatter or company. > > Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the conditioning > and chatter. > > But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So there > is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here already. No kidding. > Namaste, > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 " Thata just repeating Maharaj. And we all have read Maharaj. There is no need to cite him again. Stop that, Eric, and try to be a bit more genuine. " If I were citing Maharaj, there would be quotation marks and a reference to where it came from. This is my own direct realization and experience. Namaste, ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' > there > > is no chatter or company. > > > > Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the > conditioning > > and chatter. > > > > But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So > there > > is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here > already. > > > > Namaste, > > > Thata just repeating Maharaj. And we all have read Maharaj. There is > no need to cite him again. > > Stop that, Eric, and try to be a bit more genuine. > > And it would be also nice to stop that " Namaste " nonsense. > > Werner > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > > > > > > > - can I really live alone? > > > > > > > > > P: No one, ever, has lived alone. > > > > > > A hermit, living in a hut in a > > > deserted island has taken her > > > mind with her, and this mind was > > > fashioned by her culture, and is > > > a representation of her countrymen. > > > > > > Every time she thinks, it's they > > > who speak. It's the voices of > > > her parents, her lovers, her teachers, > > > her long gone friends and foes, her > > > culture that she hears with every > > > thought. > > > > > > One can live physically apart, but > > > never alone. The mind is a machine > > > which was programmed by others. It > > > can only repeat such programming. > > > > > > Attention and clarity can change > > > some of that software. A new > > > software can be downloaded which > > > will stop replaying the negative > > > incidents in one's pasts. > > > > > > So, leaving your wife will only > > > create different problems. It's > > > better if you view your relationship > > > with your wife as your most important > > > sadhana. Perfecting that relationship > > > will perfect your mind also. We can > > > never leave the mind behind, we can > > > only understand it better and change it > > > somewhat. > > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > -ac: is it better to live alone? > > > > > > - can I really live alone? > > > > > > P: No one, ever, has lived alone. > > > True, Pete, no man is an island. > > Question: > > W:Is there any difference between mind and consciousness or are these > just different words for the same thing ? P: Let's first understand that this is a technical question that only can be important for neurologists and psychologists. For seekers, it makes no difference. It all depends what definitions one uses. I define mind as those pathways of brain functioning that have become habitual. Those pathways are used by the brain whether we're conscious or not. Psychologists speak of an subconscious mind. Consciousness is one of the functions of the brain that when present is characterized by purposeful actions, and the ability to learn. > >W: Therefore one also could ask: > > Can consiousness ever be alone? P: By that you mean empty of any content? > >W: Krishnamurti often stated: You have to be totally alone. And then he > went on explaining the root of " alone " as " all-one " , all one. > > As long as thought is occupied with another person then one is > isolated from everything else - no matter if thazt person is > physically present or if it is just an innere dialog with someone at > the moment not being present. > > If one is totally alone then one is connected to all and everything. > It is the end of isolation. > > Werner P: K probably meant by alone, can the mind be totally silent. > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 24, 2008 Report Share Posted July 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > The mind can fall silent and become still...and with 'no mind' there > is no chatter or company. > > Alone, in a way, is our nature...the Unborn...before the conditioning > and chatter. > > But this can be anywhere...even in the company of 'others'. So there > is no need to run off anywhere to find solitude...it is here already. > > Namaste, > > P people are > attracted to religion either because > they want to have an assurance of > personal survival after death, or because > they seek the assurance that society is > not the Monday morning jungle of dog eats dog, > but the loving fellowship of Sunday worship. > > In order to give such assurance of survival, > and of universal love, the existence of an all > knowing, all loving creator is posited. Then, > we are told, that although, our brains will > die and rot, our memories, our thoughts, our > consciousness will live on preserved somehow by > our identification with such creator. That is the > consolation to assuage mortality, and the end of > individuality. > > Spiritual maturity only comes, when we realize > the absolute we are, doesn't need life, knowledge, > nor even awareness. Its perfection resides in an > immutability beyond qualities, and virtues. Its > perfection is even beyond existence itself. That > is a hard thing to understand, and even harder > to develop a taste for. > > > > ****One way to look at it is that the source of thought is not thinking. The > source of knowledge knows nothing. The source of time and space is timeless > and spaceless. This source is the nothingness we talk about and it's not > hidden at all. Focus your attention on that which is prior to thought and you're > 'staring' right at it, but there's nothing for the mind to see, so it shrugs > its neurons and goes back to watching the Playboy channel. P: Most seekers start the search by seeking knowledge. This is a necessary phase that can go on for many years. One needs to know " what one is not. " Curiously, detailed knowledge of all the things we are not may be present, and still the search continues to acquire a neat conceptual formulation that encapsulates our true nature. Few come to the realization that seeking knowledge is like traveling east to find the North Pole. Traveling south to find the North Pole wastes a lot of time, but at least, one would leave the South Pole behind one day and head north on the other side. But thinking our true nature can be found in knowledge is going in circles forever without ever heading north. Why the brain can't notice and recognize the eternal empty background as true self? The brain is dazzled by it's own activity, and identifies with it. It fears inactivity, not being. Yet every night it craves sleep. Awareness cannot be aware of its own absence as it happens, but it can be aware, it was not aware for a while. Thought is not continuous. Neither is any conscious mental activity. They come in flashes, but the brain ignores the gaps. If the brain tries to notice the gaps rather than the flashes, an opening, an opportunity is there. This is, perhaps, the must useful piece of knowledge regarding liberation. Little by little what the brain viewed as total absence will become the omnipresent Presence. > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > > > > Pete > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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