Guest guest Posted July 28, 2008 Report Share Posted July 28, 2008 I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings..Check out at http://artofliving.orgShyam Nair Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp wrote: > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings.. > > Check out at http://artofliving.org > > > Shyam Nair > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to escape the pages. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote: > > > > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that > I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able > to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different > techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. > The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique > that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences > I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. > > > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your > understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings.. > > > > Check out at http://artofliving.org > > > > > > Shyam Nair > > > > > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to > escape the pages. > > > > toombaru > Great analogy, toomb ! Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 werner sir, meditation is a practice to experience the difference between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness. is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought, the same takes the 'flight'! clear immediate understanding of the difference between the two conceptual states of deep-sleep & waking is the key. regards, sai. Werner Woehr <wwoehrNisargadatta Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2008 8:15:00 AM Re: Practicing I am that Nisargadatta, "toombaru2006" <lastrain@.. .> wrote:>> Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote:> >> > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one thing that> I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able> to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different> techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.> The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique> that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences> I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.> > > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your> understanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings..> > > > Check out at http://artofliving. org> > > > > > Shyam Nair> >> > > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to> escape the pages.> > > > toombaru>Great analogy, toomb !WernerSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 shaymnairji, meditation is a practice to experience the difference between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness. is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought, the same takes the 'flight'! clear immediate understanding of the difference between the two conceptual states of deep-sleep & waking is the key. regards, sai. toombaru2006 <lastrainNisargadatta Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2008 7:13:01 AM Re: Practicing I am that Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@. ..> wrote:>> > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one thing thatI noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be ableto calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through differenttechniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya techniquethat was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiencesI would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.> > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves yourunderstanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings..> > Check out at http://artofliving. org> > > Shyam Nair>The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying toescape the pages.toombaruSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 17, 2008 Report Share Posted August 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , N SAINATH <sai4nath wrote: > > werner sir, > Â Â Â meditation is a practice to experience the difference between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness. Sai, when meditation is a practice then who is the meditator ? And who sees the difference between mental activities and the 'self' ? Who is that ? There exists no such a thing as a witness, there is only consciousness. It is thought which claims to be the witness. Werner > is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought, the same takes the 'flight'! > Â Â clear immediate understanding of the difference between the two conceptual states of deep-sleep & Â waking is the key. > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â regards, > Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â Â sai. > > > > > Werner Woehr <wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Sunday, 17 August, 2008 8:15:00 AM > Re: Practicing I am that > > > Nisargadatta, " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@ .> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one thing > that > > I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be > able > > to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different > > techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation > etc. > > The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique > > that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my > experiences > > I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. > > > > > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves > your > > understanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings.. > > > > > > Check out at http://artofliving. org > > > > > > > > > Shyam Nair > > > > > > > > > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to > > escape the pages. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > Great analogy, toomb ! > > Werner > > > > Send instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 18, 2008 Report Share Posted August 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote: > > > > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that > I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able > to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different > techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. > The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique > that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences > I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. > > > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your > understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings.. > > > > Check out at http://artofliving.org > > > > > > Shyam Nair > > > > > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to > escape the pages. > > > > toombaru nice attempt to escape..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 20, 2008 Report Share Posted August 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp wrote: > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. Here is one of Nisargadatta's references to 'So Hum' (the Sudarshan kriya), taken from I Am Unborn: Visitor: Between the deities and The Absolute, is there something indefinite – a universal mind? M: What is its name? It is Mahatatva, Moolmaya, Primary Illussion, `I amness' (So Hum) or `I am the manifest Brahman'. Manifested Brahma is the `I am', whatever principle is prior to the utterance of sound, that principle proclaims by itself. What I insist is that you must stabilize in that state. The recitation of the mantra `So Hum' must be for very long time, it is prior to words. When that `So Hum' principle, is pleased, that principle, represented by these words, expounds knowledge. V: Is everyone to repeat `So Hum' because you give stress on Japa? M: The `So Hum' Japa is incessantly going on in your pulse, indicating `I am' get in tune with it by recitation. That `So Hum' energy without words is the raw material of incarnations and the incarnations are the hoardings of the primary principle. The primordial principle is `Parabrahman', its advertisement is done by movement, the stirrings of `So Hum'. By its movement it is praising the primordial principle, that advertising material is the Moolmaya (Primary Illusion). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, lastrain writes: Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter whatdisciplines it imposes on its-self.toombaru .... ~~~ Things are so much brighter when it takes a break from thinking. catherine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cumincoriander " <jkilbour wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote: > > > > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that > I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able > to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different > techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. > The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique > that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences > I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out. > > Here is one of Nisargadatta's references to 'So Hum' (the Sudarshan > kriya), taken from I Am Unborn: > > > Visitor: Between the deities and The Absolute, is there something > indefinite – a universal mind? > > M: What is its name? It is Mahatatva, Moolmaya, Primary Illussion, `I > amness' (So Hum) or `I am the manifest Brahman'. Manifested Brahma is > the `I am', whatever principle is prior to the utterance of sound, > that principle proclaims by itself. What I insist is that you must > stabilize in that state. The recitation of the mantra `So Hum' must be > for very long time, it is prior to words. When that `So Hum' > principle, is pleased, that principle, represented by these words, > expounds knowledge. > > V: Is everyone to repeat `So Hum' because you give stress on Japa? > M: The `So Hum' Japa is incessantly going on in your pulse, indicating > `I am' get in tune with it by recitation. That `So Hum' energy without > words is the raw material of incarnations and the incarnations are the > hoardings of the primary principle. The primordial principle is > `Parabrahman', its advertisement is done by movement, the stirrings of > `So Hum'. By its movement it is praising the primordial principle, > that advertising material is the Moolmaya (Primary Illusion). > The only thing that mind can get from the attempt to calm itself is the apperception that such a feat is an utter impossibility. A still mind is like a still wind. They both exist only in their movement. When mind sees.....comletely...that its effort to quiet itself is merely another selfish attempt to improve its imagined condition...all of its efforts take on a whole new light. Mind is a conceptual-survival program which evolved because it is a fear-based and functions to seek those things it finds pleasurable and avoid those things that can harm it. The self is a by-product of the thinking process and emerges downstream within the conceptual overlay. Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what disciplines it imposes on its-self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > toombaru > > > > ... > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > when it takes a break from thinking. > > catherine > Aha, and who takes the break from thinking ? Is it the thinker ? No, there is no thinker. There is just thinking. Is there a do-er who could take break from thinking ? No, there exist no doer. It is thought which says " I do this, I do that " . Happy breaking from thinking, Catherine Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > toombaru > > > > ... > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > when it takes a break from thinking. > > catherine maybe when..... " a break from thinking " is happening....yes, sure... there are nearly no thoughts when " things are brighter " ..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote: > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > lastrain writes: > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > toombaru > > > > ... > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > when it takes a break from thinking. > > catherine > It cannot take a break from thinking. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote: > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what > > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > ... > > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > > when it takes a break from thinking. > > > > catherine > > > > > > > It cannot take a break from thinking. > > > > > > t. > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't. But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an advice. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what > > > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > > > when it takes a break from thinking. > > > > > > catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot take a break from thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't. > > But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an advice. > > Werner > htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking.. Being involves no practice and no one practicing... such is my practice about being nothing with something to say... ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter > what > > > > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > > > > when it takes a break from thinking. > > > > > > > > catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot take a break from thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't. > > > > But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an > advice. > > > > Werner > > > > > htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking.. Being > involves no practice and no one practicing... > > such is my practice about being nothing with something to say... > > ~A > Surely not, Ana. One cannot practice being. But Niz seems to have done that. He pratcticed " staqying with the I Am " . And that leaves an open question: Who was the practioner ? Btw, what means the acronym " htf " you used ?: HTF Hanford Tank Farm HTF Happy Tree Friends HTF Hard To Find HTF Hard To Follow HTF Hardlines Technology Forum (American Hardware Manufacturers Association) HTF Harmonic Tight Frame HTF Headline Task Force HTF Heat Transfer Fluid HTF Hiawatha Temporary Facility (Michigan Department of Corrections) HTF Highway Trust Fund HTF Hit the Floor (band) HTF Horizontal Test Facility HTF How the Freak (polite form) HTF How To Fight HTF Hyper-G Text Format Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 28, 2008 Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, > > > > > lastrain@ writes: > > > > > > > > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter > > what > > > > > disciplines it imposes on its-self. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ... > > > > > > > > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter > > > > > when it takes a break from thinking. > > > > > > > > > > catherine > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It cannot take a break from thinking. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't. > > > > > > But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an > > advice. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking.. > Being > > involves no practice and no one practicing... > > > > such is my practice about being nothing with something to say... > > > > ~A > > > > > Surely not, Ana. One cannot practice being. > > But Niz seems to have done that. He pratcticed " staqying with the I > Am " . And that leaves an open question: > > Who was the practioner ? > > Btw, what means the acronym " htf " you used ?: > > HTF Hanford Tank Farm > HTF Happy Tree Friends > HTF Hard To Find > HTF Hard To Follow > HTF Hardlines Technology Forum (American Hardware Manufacturers > Association) > HTF Harmonic Tight Frame > HTF Headline Task Force > HTF Heat Transfer Fluid > HTF Hiawatha Temporary Facility (Michigan Department of Corrections) > HTF Highway Trust Fund > HTF Hit the Floor (band) > HTF Horizontal Test Facility > HTF How the Freak (polite form) > HTF How To Fight > HTF Hyper-G Text Format > > > > Werner > ROFLMarseO Werner, big hug and kiss... Well, HTF, could have been all those things plus some... however, in this case, it was H ow T he F uck... I'm not bad...I'm just drawn that way. Jessica Rabbit. Wink. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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