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I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc. The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings..Check out at http://artofliving.orgShyam Nair

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Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp wrote:

>

>

> I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that

I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able

to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.

The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique

that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences

I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

>

> Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your

understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings..

>

> Check out at http://artofliving.org

>

>

> Shyam Nair

>

 

 

The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to

escape the pages.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing

that

> I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be

able

> to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

> techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation

etc.

> The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique

> that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my

experiences

> I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

> >

> > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves

your

> understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings..

> >

> > Check out at http://artofliving.org

> >

> >

> > Shyam Nair

> >

>

>

> The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to

> escape the pages.

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

Great analogy, toomb !

 

Werner

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werner sir,

meditation is a practice to experience the difference between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness. is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought, the same takes the 'flight'!

clear immediate understanding of the difference between the two conceptual states of deep-sleep & waking is the key.

regards,

sai.

 

 

Werner Woehr <wwoehrNisargadatta Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2008 8:15:00 AM Re: Practicing I am that

 

Nisargadatta, "toombaru2006" <lastrain@.. .> wrote:>> Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote:> >> > > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one thing that> I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able> to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different> techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.> The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique> that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences> I would recommend

that the serious seekers to check it out.> > > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves your> understanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings..> > > > Check out at http://artofliving. org> > > > > > Shyam Nair> >> > > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to> escape the pages.> > > > toombaru>Great analogy, toomb !WernerSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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shaymnairji,

meditation is a practice to experience the difference between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness. is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought, the same takes the 'flight'!

 

clear immediate understanding of the difference between the two conceptual states of deep-sleep & waking is the key.

regards,

sai.

 

 

toombaru2006 <lastrainNisargadatta Sent: Sunday, 17 August, 2008 7:13:01 AM Re: Practicing I am that

 

Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@. ..> wrote:>> > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one thing thatI noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be ableto calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through differenttechniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya techniquethat was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiencesI would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.> > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves yourunderstanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings..> > Check out at http://artofliving.

org> > > Shyam Nair>The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying toescape the pages.toombaruSend instant messages to your online friends http://uk.messenger.

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Nisargadatta , N SAINATH <sai4nath wrote:

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> werner sir,

>     meditation is a practice to experience the difference

between mental activities & the 'self' which is the witness.

 

 

Sai, when meditation is a practice then who is the meditator ?

 

And who sees the difference between mental activities and

the 'self' ? Who is that ?

 

There exists no such a thing as a witness, there is only

consciousness. It is thought which claims to be the witness.

 

Werner

 

 

> is there a mind other than the thoughts? thought & the source of

thoughts are one & the same- when the source of thought is sought,

the same takes the 'flight'!

>    clear immediate understanding of the difference between the

two conceptual states of deep-sleep &   waking is the key.

>                            regards,

>

                                  

sai.

>

>

>

>

> Werner Woehr <wwoehr

> Nisargadatta

> Sunday, 17 August, 2008 8:15:00 AM

> Re: Practicing I am that

>

>

> Nisargadatta, " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@ .>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta, Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@>

wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta' s book. However, one

thing

> that

> > I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be

> able

> > to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

> > techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation

> etc.

> > The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya

technique

> > that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my

> experiences

> > I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

> > >

> > > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves

> your

> > understanding of Nisargadatta' s teachings..

> > >

> > > Check out at http://artofliving. org

> > >

> > >

> > > Shyam Nair

> > >

> >

> >

> > The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying

to

> > escape the pages.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

> >

>

> Great analogy, toomb !

>

> Werner

>

>

>

> Send instant messages to your online friends

http://uk.messenger.

>

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing

that

> I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be

able

> to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

> techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation

etc.

> The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique

> that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my

experiences

> I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

> >

> > Once you get your mind under control, it substantially improves

your

> understanding of Nisargadatta's teachings..

> >

> > Check out at http://artofliving.org

> >

> >

> > Shyam Nair

> >

>

>

> The mind trying to control itself is like a hero in a book trying to

> escape the pages.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

nice attempt to escape.....

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp wrote:

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>

> I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that

I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able

to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.

The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique

that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences

I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

 

Here is one of Nisargadatta's references to 'So Hum' (the Sudarshan

kriya), taken from I Am Unborn:

 

 

Visitor: Between the deities and The Absolute, is there something

indefinite – a universal mind?

 

M: What is its name? It is Mahatatva, Moolmaya, Primary Illussion, `I

amness' (So Hum) or `I am the manifest Brahman'. Manifested Brahma is

the `I am', whatever principle is prior to the utterance of sound,

that principle proclaims by itself. What I insist is that you must

stabilize in that state. The recitation of the mantra `So Hum' must be

for very long time, it is prior to words. When that `So Hum'

principle, is pleased, that principle, represented by these words,

expounds knowledge.

 

V: Is everyone to repeat `So Hum' because you give stress on Japa?

M: The `So Hum' Japa is incessantly going on in your pulse, indicating

`I am' get in tune with it by recitation. That `So Hum' energy without

words is the raw material of incarnations and the incarnations are the

hoardings of the primary principle. The primordial principle is

`Parabrahman', its advertisement is done by movement, the stirrings of

`So Hum'. By its movement it is praising the primordial principle,

that advertising material is the Moolmaya (Primary Illusion).

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In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time, lastrain writes:

Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter whatdisciplines it imposes on its-self.toombaru

 

....

 

~~~ Things are so much brighter

when it takes a break from thinking.

 

catherine

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Nisargadatta , " cumincoriander " <jkilbour

wrote:

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>

> Nisargadatta , Shyam Nair <shyamlalp@> wrote:

> >

> >

> > I have been inspired by Nisargadatta's book. However, one thing that

> I noticed was to properly understand the knowledge, one has to be able

> to calm the ever fluctuating mind. I went through different

> techniques, including doing a lot of exercises, yoga, meditation etc.

> The most impressive thing that I found was Sudarshan kriya technique

> that was taught in the Art of Living programs. Based on my experiences

> I would recommend that the serious seekers to check it out.

>

> Here is one of Nisargadatta's references to 'So Hum' (the Sudarshan

> kriya), taken from I Am Unborn:

>

>

> Visitor: Between the deities and The Absolute, is there something

> indefinite – a universal mind?

>

> M: What is its name? It is Mahatatva, Moolmaya, Primary Illussion, `I

> amness' (So Hum) or `I am the manifest Brahman'. Manifested Brahma is

> the `I am', whatever principle is prior to the utterance of sound,

> that principle proclaims by itself. What I insist is that you must

> stabilize in that state. The recitation of the mantra `So Hum' must be

> for very long time, it is prior to words. When that `So Hum'

> principle, is pleased, that principle, represented by these words,

> expounds knowledge.

>

> V: Is everyone to repeat `So Hum' because you give stress on Japa?

> M: The `So Hum' Japa is incessantly going on in your pulse, indicating

> `I am' get in tune with it by recitation. That `So Hum' energy without

> words is the raw material of incarnations and the incarnations are the

> hoardings of the primary principle. The primordial principle is

> `Parabrahman', its advertisement is done by movement, the stirrings of

> `So Hum'. By its movement it is praising the primordial principle,

> that advertising material is the Moolmaya (Primary Illusion).

>

 

 

 

The only thing that mind can get from the attempt to calm itself is

the apperception that such a feat is an utter impossibility.

 

A still mind is like a still wind.

 

They both exist only in their movement.

 

When mind sees.....comletely...that its effort to quiet itself is

merely another selfish attempt to improve its imagined condition...all

of its efforts take on a whole new light.

 

Mind is a conceptual-survival program which evolved because it is a

fear-based and functions to seek those things it finds pleasurable and

avoid those things that can harm it.

 

The self is a by-product of the thinking process and emerges

downstream within the conceptual overlay.

 

Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what

disciplines it imposes on its-self.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote:

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> In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what

> disciplines it imposes on its-self.

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> ...

>

> ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> when it takes a break from thinking.

>

> catherine

>

 

 

Aha, and who takes the break from thinking ?

 

Is it the thinker ? No, there is no thinker. There is just thinking.

 

Is there a do-er who could take break from thinking ? No, there exist

no doer. It is thought which says " I do this, I do that " .

 

Happy breaking from thinking, Catherine :)

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what

> disciplines it imposes on its-self.

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> ...

>

> ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> when it takes a break from thinking.

>

> catherine

 

 

maybe when..... " a break from thinking " is happening....yes, sure...

 

there are nearly no thoughts when " things are brighter " .....

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , Catrix777 wrote:

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>

> In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> lastrain writes:

>

> Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what

> disciplines it imposes on its-self.

>

> toombaru

>

>

>

> ...

>

> ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> when it takes a break from thinking.

>

> catherine

>

 

 

 

 

It cannot take a break from thinking.

 

 

 

 

 

t.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote:

> >

> >

> > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> > lastrain@ writes:

> >

> > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter what

> > disciplines it imposes on its-self.

> >

> > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> > ...

> >

> > ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> > when it takes a break from thinking.

> >

> > catherine

> >

>

>

>

>

> It cannot take a break from thinking.

>

>

>

>

>

> t.

>

 

 

Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't.

 

But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an advice.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> > > lastrain@ writes:

> > >

> > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter

what

> > > disciplines it imposes on its-self.

> > >

> > > toombaru

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ...

> > >

> > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> > > when it takes a break from thinking.

> > >

> > > catherine

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > It cannot take a break from thinking.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > t.

> >

>

>

> Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't.

>

> But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an

advice.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking.. Being

involves no practice and no one practicing...

 

such is my practice about being nothing with something to say...

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> > > > lastrain@ writes:

> > > >

> > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no matter

> what

> > > > disciplines it imposes on its-self.

> > > >

> > > > toombaru

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ...

> > > >

> > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> > > > when it takes a break from thinking.

> > > >

> > > > catherine

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > It cannot take a break from thinking.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > t.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't.

> >

> > But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an

> advice.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking..

Being

> involves no practice and no one practicing...

>

> such is my practice about being nothing with something to say...

>

> ~A

>

 

 

Surely not, Ana. One cannot practice being.

 

But Niz seems to have done that. He pratcticed " staqying with the I

Am " . And that leaves an open question:

 

Who was the practioner ?

 

Btw, what means the acronym " htf " you used ?:

 

HTF Hanford Tank Farm

HTF Happy Tree Friends

HTF Hard To Find

HTF Hard To Follow

HTF Hardlines Technology Forum (American Hardware Manufacturers

Association)

HTF Harmonic Tight Frame

HTF Headline Task Force

HTF Heat Transfer Fluid

HTF Hiawatha Temporary Facility (Michigan Department of Corrections)

HTF Highway Trust Fund

HTF Hit the Floor (band)

HTF Horizontal Test Facility

HTF How the Freak (polite form)

HTF How To Fight

HTF Hyper-G Text Format

 

:)

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr

wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

> > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Catrix777@ wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > In a message dated 8/27/2008 3:12:45 AM GMT Standard Time,

> > > > > lastrain@ writes:

> > > > >

> > > > > Mind will continue to do what it evolved to do....no

matter

> > what

> > > > > disciplines it imposes on its-self.

> > > > >

> > > > > toombaru

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > ...

> > > > >

> > > > > ~~~ Things are so much brighter

> > > > > when it takes a break from thinking.

> > > > >

> > > > > catherine

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > It cannot take a break from thinking.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > t.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wow, Toomb, you too ? I also can't.

> > >

> > > But Catherine believes she can else she wouldn't give such an

> > advice.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> >

> > htf does one practice I Am That? That is all about thinking..

> Being

> > involves no practice and no one practicing...

> >

> > such is my practice about being nothing with something to say...

> >

> > ~A

> >

>

>

> Surely not, Ana. One cannot practice being.

>

> But Niz seems to have done that. He pratcticed " staqying with the I

> Am " . And that leaves an open question:

>

> Who was the practioner ?

>

> Btw, what means the acronym " htf " you used ?:

>

> HTF Hanford Tank Farm

> HTF Happy Tree Friends

> HTF Hard To Find

> HTF Hard To Follow

> HTF Hardlines Technology Forum (American Hardware Manufacturers

> Association)

> HTF Harmonic Tight Frame

> HTF Headline Task Force

> HTF Heat Transfer Fluid

> HTF Hiawatha Temporary Facility (Michigan Department of

Corrections)

> HTF Highway Trust Fund

> HTF Hit the Floor (band)

> HTF Horizontal Test Facility

> HTF How the Freak (polite form)

> HTF How To Fight

> HTF Hyper-G Text Format

>

> :)

>

> Werner

>

 

ROFLMarseO Werner, big hug and kiss...

 

Well, HTF, could have been all those things plus some... however,

in this case, it was H ow T he F uck...

 

I'm not bad...I'm just drawn that way. Jessica Rabbit.

 

Wink.

 

~A

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