Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 3:00 am.....last night......... ..........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that exists only within itself.......some wierd....short circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on to-ness....... ..............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a this is what you ask for-ness.......... ....an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... nothing. Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... ..........and then.........eveything once again......but different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on > to-ness....... > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > nothing. > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on > to-ness....... > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > nothing. > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > look like a detachment from ....an old photograph.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that > > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on > > to-ness....... > > > > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a > > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > > > > > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, > > An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. > > Werner P: Hey, Toomb, is it not funny how Werner thinks that he knows better than you what went on in your brain? I think that you're on to something because I have had similar experiences. Of course, I can't be sure that what happened to you is the same that happened to me. I have only your words to infer that, and the words are not those mental states. Those states left a taste, a trace in memory. So every night, on going to bed remember that taste, let your mind rest on that, instead of thinking of this or that. You'll be pleasantly surprised. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > > > > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > > > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that > > > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > > > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > > > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on > > > to-ness....... > > > > > > > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go- ness........a > > > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > > > > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > > > > > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > > > > > > > > > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, > > > > An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. > > > > Werner > > P: Hey, Toomb, is it not funny how Werner thinks > that he knows better than you what went on > in your brain? I think that you're on to > something because I have had similar experiences. > > Of course, I can't be sure that what happened > to you is the same that happened to me. I have > only your words to infer that, and the words > are not those mental states. Those states left > a taste, a trace in memory. So every night, on > going to bed remember that taste, let your > mind rest on that, instead of thinking of this > or that. You'll be pleasantly surprised. > > > The pleasant surprise for me is that Toomie and I seemed to share the same spaceless space. And I awakened once again. ~Aann Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > > > > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > > > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object that > > > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > > > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > > > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to hold on > > > to-ness....... > > > > > > > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a > > > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > > > > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > > > > > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > > > > > > > > > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, > > > > An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. > > > > Werner > > P: Hey, Toomb, is it not funny how Werner thinks > that he knows better than you what went on > in your brain? I think that you're on to > something because I have had similar experiences. > > Of course, I can't be sure that what happened > to you is the same that happened to me. I have > only your words to infer that, and the words > are not those mental states. Those states left > a taste, a trace in memory. So every night, on > going to bed remember that taste, let your > mind rest on that, instead of thinking of this > or that. You'll be pleasantly surprised. > > > It appears to be a screaming....silent.....terrifying maw.....into which i will compl;e't'el....y d............i....s........a......p....e...a.................r... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 > > > > > > > > The pleasant surprise for me is that Toomie and I seemed > to share the same spaceless space. > > And I awakened once again. > > ~Aann P: Wow! What an awakening you had! it added an extra " a " to your name. Cool! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > > > > > > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist only in > > > > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object > that > > > > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > > > > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > > > > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to > hold on > > > > to-ness....... > > > > > > > > > > > > .............a what the hellness.........a letting-go-ness........a > > > > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > > > > > > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > > > > > > > > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, > > > > > > An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Hey, Toomb, is it not funny how Werner thinks > > that he knows better than you what went on > > in your brain? I think that you're on to > > something because I have had similar experiences. > > > > Of course, I can't be sure that what happened > > to you is the same that happened to me. I have > > only your words to infer that, and the words > > are not those mental states. Those states left > > a taste, a trace in memory. So every night, on > > going to bed remember that taste, let your > > mind rest on that, instead of thinking of this > > or that. You'll be pleasantly surprised. > > > > It appears to be a screaming....silent.....terrifying maw.....into > which i will compl;e't'el....y > d............i....s........a......p....e...a.................r... P: It could appear so, like those frightful demons at the entrance of oriental temples. They are there to scare away those who are not ready. The mind's defense mechanism in intuiting that it floats in nothingness wants to recoil, but there is nowhere to recoil. Nothingness, death, the absolute, and mind are different words for the same immutable X. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 29, 2008 Report Share Posted August 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3:00 am.....last night......... > > > > > > > > > > .........mind......playing with the idea that objects exist > only in > > > > > the mind..........mind realizing that " mind " is itself an object > > that > > > > > exists only within itself.......some wierd....short > > > > > circuit...buzzing.......clicking....a slip sliding into a great > > > > > emptiness........a fearful holding on-ness......but nothing to > > hold on > > > > > to-ness....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .............a what the hellness.........a > letting-go-ness........a > > > > > this is what you ask for-ness.......... > > > > > > > > > > ...an indescribable-openess-ness.......and then......... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Not nothing as something.......just pure nothing....... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .........and then.........eveything once again......but different. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > You better should sleep at that time, Toomb, > > > > > > > > An evening walk or a glass of wine could also support sound sleep. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Hey, Toomb, is it not funny how Werner thinks > > > that he knows better than you what went on > > > in your brain? I think that you're on to > > > something because I have had similar experiences. > > > > > > Of course, I can't be sure that what happened > > > to you is the same that happened to me. I have > > > only your words to infer that, and the words > > > are not those mental states. Those states left > > > a taste, a trace in memory. So every night, on > > > going to bed remember that taste, let your > > > mind rest on that, instead of thinking of this > > > or that. You'll be pleasantly surprised. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It appears to be a screaming....silent.....terrifying maw.....into > > which i will compl;e't'el....y > > d............i....s........a......p....e...a.................r... > > P: It could appear so, like those frightful > demons at the entrance of oriental temples. > They are there to scare away those who are > not ready. The mind's defense mechanism in > intuiting that it floats in nothingness wants > to recoil, but there is nowhere to recoil. > Nothingness, death, the absolute, and mind > are different words for the same immutable X. > > > Yes. It was perhaps the most intense experience that I have ever had......and yet I cannot find words to express it. There seemed to be an electrical discharge in which the normal insulating properties within the synaptic interface lost their function. As the understanding that " things " simply did not....could not.... exist and that what " I " thought of as the " mind " was merely another " thing " ........a great sinking feeling began from which I attempted to recoil. Added to the vortex was the thought that the " I " was also not a thing and somehow....in spite of my efforts......a critical mass was reached .........the whole circuit board collapsed in an electrical storm.......and then.....Nothing....... ...... Strangely.......and delightfully.....the Nothing is still there......but it is now full to the top.....and overflowing.......with Everything. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 30, 2008 Report Share Posted August 30, 2008 > > > > Strangely.......and delightfully.....the Nothing is still > there......but it is now full to the top.....and > overflowing.......with Everything. > >> > > toombaru P: So, Awareness and non-awareness are the same, existence and non-existence are one. On or off they only seem to change, but persist as one. No? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 > > It was perhaps the most intense experience that I have ever> had......and yet I cannot find words to express it.> > > There seemed to be an electrical discharge in which the normal> insulating properties within the synaptic interface lost their function.> > > As the understanding that "things" simply did not....could not....> exist and that what "I" thought of as the "mind" was merely another> "thing" ........a great sinking feeling began from which I attempted> to recoil.> > Added to the vortex was the thought that the "I" was also not a thing> and somehow....in spite of my efforts......a critical mass was reached> ........the whole circuit board collapsed in an electrical> storm.......and then.....Nothing.......> > > .....> > > > Strangely.......and delightfully.....the Nothing is still> there......but it is now full to the top.....and> overflowing.......with Everything.Hello toombaru200-Ageless Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 31, 2008 Report Share Posted August 31, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Sandeep " <sandeep1960 wrote: > > > > > > > It was perhaps the most intense experience that I have ever > > had......and yet I cannot find words to express it. > > > > > > There seemed to be an electrical discharge in which the normal > > insulating properties within the synaptic interface lost their > function. > > > > > > As the understanding that " things " simply did not....could not.... > > exist and that what " I " thought of as the " mind " was merely another > > " thing " ........a great sinking feeling began from which I attempted > > to recoil. > > > > Added to the vortex was the thought that the " I " was also not a thing > > and somehow....in spite of my efforts......a critical mass was reached > > ........the whole circuit board collapsed in an electrical > > storm.......and then.....Nothing....... > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > > > Strangely.......and delightfully.....the Nothing is still > > there......but it is now full to the top.....and > > overflowing.......with Everything. [] > > Hello toombaru200-Ageless Unlike the body that typed the words eh? :-) Hello my old friend. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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