Guest guest Posted September 10, 2008 Report Share Posted September 10, 2008 The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another two dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its opacity simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an infinite number of nows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 11, 2008 Report Share Posted September 11, 2008 " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its opacity " That is the Now. The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because there is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a dual and limited sense as this. ~ Eric Putkonen Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another two > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of the > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its opacity > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > infinite number of nows. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 There is never a loss of sense of self... Just manifestations on a variation of a theme...call it *awareness*. ~A Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > opacity " > > That is the Now. > > The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because there > is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a dual > and limited sense as this. > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another two > > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > the > > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > opacity > > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > > infinite number of nows. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2008 Report Share Posted September 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > opacity " > > That is the Now. Show me where this " Now is. Can you point to it? Can you see it? What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? toombaru > > The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because there > is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a dual > and limited sense as this. > > ~ Eric Putkonen All terms are dual and limited. They are confined to the conceptual realm that is relative only to an imaginary entity. toombaru > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another two > > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > the > > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > opacity > > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > > infinite number of nows. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > opacity " > > > > That is the Now. > > > > Show me where this " Now is. > > Can you point to it? > > Can you see it? > > What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? > > > > > toombaru > > The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one experiences as self. Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are all the same. Werner > > > > > > > > The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because there > > is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a dual > > and limited sense as this. > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > All terms are dual and limited. > > They are confined to the conceptual realm that is relative only to an > imaginary entity. > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another two > > > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > > > > > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity of > > the > > > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > opacity > > > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > > > infinite number of nows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity > of > > > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > > opacity " > > > > > > That is the Now. > > > > > > > > Show me where this " Now is. > > > > Can you point to it? > > > > Can you see it? > > > > What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one > experiences as self. > > Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are all > the same. > > Werner Indeed... and to be *stuck* in any aspect of it... is not to be in the *flow*.... so to speak.... ~Anna > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because > there > > > is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a > dual > > > and limited sense as this. > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > > > > > > All terms are dual and limited. > > > > They are confined to the conceptual realm that is relative only to > an > > imaginary entity. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another > two > > > > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > > > > > > > > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity > of > > > the > > > > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > > opacity > > > > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > > > > infinite number of nows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 anabebe57 wrote: >> >> The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one >> experiences as self. >> >> Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are all >> the same. >> >> Werner >> > > > Indeed... and to be *stuck* in any aspect of it... is not to be in the > *flow*.... so to speak.... > > ~Anna > > Yes indeed, like yesterday and the day before and very likely tomorrow as well, most people will not bother to edit their posts before they send them to the group. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: anna replies: (edited by brevity.) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity > > of > > > > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > > > opacity " > > > > > > > > That is the Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me where this " Now is. > > > > > > Can you point to it? > > > > > > Can you see it? > > > > > > What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one > > experiences as self. > > > > Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are all > > the same. > > > > Werner > > > Indeed... and to be *stuck* in any aspect of it... is not to be in the > *flow*.... so to speak.... > > ~Anna > Oh, the " flow " ... Who or what gets stuck, Anna ? And who or what will end it ? But first of all, who or what gets conscious of getting stuck ? Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The argument is like saying even nonduality is dual...because > > there > > > > is nondual and dual. Of course, such terms are not used in a > > dual > > > > and limited sense as this. > > > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > All terms are dual and limited. > > > > > > They are confined to the conceptual realm that is relative only to > > an > > > imaginary entity. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The " now " is merely another frozen conceptual moment...another > > two > > > > > dimensional photograph captured and stored away in the clinging. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the Fluidity > > of > > > > the > > > > > Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose its > > > > opacity > > > > > simply because the self is not other than the accumulation of an > > > > > infinite number of nows. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " > <eputkonen@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the > Fluidity > > > of > > > > > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose > its > > > > > opacity " > > > > > > > > > > That is the Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me where this " Now is. > > > > > > > > Can you point to it? > > > > > > > > Can you see it? > > > > > > > > What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one > > > experiences as self. > > > > > > Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are > all > > > the same. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Indeed... and to be *stuck* in any aspect of it... is not to be in > the > > *flow*.... so to speak.... > > > > ~Anna > > > It is the stuckness....flowing. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 13, 2008 Report Share Posted September 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " > > <eputkonen@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > " When one is ready to step off the Edge of Now into the > > Fluidity > > > > of > > > > > > the Flowing What's Next.....the sense of self begins to loose > > its > > > > > > opacity " > > > > > > > > > > > > That is the Now. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Show me where this " Now is. > > > > > > > > > > Can you point to it? > > > > > > > > > > Can you see it? > > > > > > > > > > What is the nature of the creature that claims to experience it? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The now is the influenes of yesterday. This yesterday is what one > > > > experiences as self. > > > > > > > > Awareness, consciousness, I am, the self, yesterday and now are > > all > > > > the same. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > Indeed... and to be *stuck* in any aspect of it... is not to be in > > the > > > *flow*.... so to speak.... > > > > > > ~Anna > > > > > > > > > > It is the stuckness....flowing. > > > > toombaru > There... we go.....merrily....merrilly...down the stream. (sometimes not-so-merrily;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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