Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness of the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, security and the sense of being. One is literally dying to the world of things. No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. You no longer own your house. Your old friend's faces loose their definition. As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness of > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, > security and the sense of being. > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > You no longer own your house. > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > toombaru finally a certain happiness is appearing too so.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness > of > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, > > security and the sense of being. > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > finally a certain happiness is appearing too so.... > > Marc > > > ..........there is a feeling tone that eludes naming as it includes and erases all names........... .....it is all embracing......it is completely complete......it is all there is. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness of > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, > security and the sense of being. > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > You no longer own your house. > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > toombaru P: But I have only to play a silly trick on you, and there you are sulking over a banned poster. Funny no? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness of > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, > > security and the sense of being. > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > on you, and there you are sulking over > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. One is composed entirely of reflections. The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory perceptions of human beings. The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation spins its isolated-self. The person here is merely a tiny cog in the Magnus Machina.....As is the person there.....They react in the only way they can. When the machinery here sees another has been wounded simply for disagreeing on an obscure spiritual speculation.....it reacts. You say that you were offering a teaching lesson. I say that you were fearful and angry and banned a very wise and gentle member simply because she stood up to you. You never read enough of what was offered to hear what she was saying. Maybe you never will. It will be your loss. There was a lot learned from your exercise......but what was learned pertains only to the self-serving reactions of an illusory identified entity and such actions only create more confusion and anger in a world already bleeding to death. I hope that you stick around after you turn over the ownership of the list.....I would learn a lot from that. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the vastness of > > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented love, > > > security and the sense of being. > > > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into the > > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the sadness > > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory perceptions > of human beings. > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation spins > its isolated-self. Not quite, Toomb, The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. Separation between the controller and the controlled is an unavoidable result. Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things they have learned Werner > > The person here is merely a tiny cog in the Magnus Machina.....As is > the person there.....They react in the only way they can. > > When the machinery here sees another has been wounded simply for > disagreeing on an obscure spiritual speculation.....it reacts. > > You say that you were offering a teaching lesson. > > I say that you were fearful and angry and banned a very wise and > gentle member simply because she stood up to you. > > You never read enough of what was offered to hear what she was saying. > > Maybe you never will. > > It will be your loss. > > There was a lot learned from your exercise......but what was learned > pertains only to the self-serving reactions of an illusory identified > entity and such actions only create more confusion and anger in a > world already bleeding to death. > > I hope that you stick around after you turn over the ownership of the > list.....I would learn a lot from that. > > > :-) > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory > perceptions > > of human beings. > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation > spins > > its isolated-self. > > > Not quite, Toomb, > > The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. > > Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is > kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. > > Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self > but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is > starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. > > Separation between the controller and the controlled is an > unavoidable result. > > Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things > they have learned > > > Werner To realize that the universe, one's actions, one's reactions, and the other-as-OneSelf IS/AS the play of life itself, is to be simultaneously in bliss and in sorrow. No one can help being who one is. We already know who one is not. And that's what hurts sometimes. ~A > > > > > > The person here is merely a tiny cog in the Magnus Machina.....As is > > the person there.....They react in the only way they can. > > > > When the machinery here sees another has been wounded simply for > > disagreeing on an obscure spiritual speculation.....it reacts. > > > > You say that you were offering a teaching lesson. > > > > I say that you were fearful and angry and banned a very wise and > > gentle member simply because she stood up to you. > > > > You never read enough of what was offered to hear what she was > saying. > > > > Maybe you never will. > > > > It will be your loss. > > > > There was a lot learned from your exercise......but what was learned > > pertains only to the self-serving reactions of an illusory > identified > > entity and such actions only create more confusion and anger in a > > world already bleeding to death. > > > > I hope that you stick around after you turn over the ownership of > the > > list.....I would learn a lot from that. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the > vastness of > > > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented > love, > > > > security and the sense of being. > > > > > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into > the > > > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the > sadness > > > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory > perceptions > > of human beings. > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation > spins > > its isolated-self. > > > Not quite, Toomb, > > The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. > > Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is > kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. > > Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self > but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is > starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. > > Separation between the controller and the controlled is an > unavoidable result. > > Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things > they have learned > > > Werner > > Puppies struggle in the womb.....yet no sense self emerges. It is within the conceptual overlay that occurs only in the mind of homo sapiens that the sense of being a separate self emerges. All of life struggles.....only one life form struggles against its own delusional dream. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the > > vastness of > > > > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > > > > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented > > love, > > > > > security and the sense of being. > > > > > > > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > > > > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > > > > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > > > > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > > > > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into > > the > > > > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > > > > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the > > sadness > > > > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory > > perceptions > > > of human beings. > > > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation > > spins > > > its isolated-self. > > > > > > Not quite, Toomb, > > > > The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. > > > > Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is > > kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. > > > > Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self > > but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is > > starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. > > > > Separation between the controller and the controlled is an > > unavoidable result. > > > > Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things > > they have learned > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Puppies struggle in the womb.....yet no sense self emerges. > > It is within the conceptual overlay that occurs only in the mind of > homo sapiens that the sense of being a separate self emerges. > > All of life struggles.....only one life form struggles against its own > delusional dream. > > > > > > toombaru > That's Life!! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOOlHi9ars & feature=related Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the > > > vastness of > > > > > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > > > > > > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented > > > love, > > > > > > security and the sense of being. > > > > > > > > > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > > > > > > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > > > > > > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > > > > > > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > > > > > > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into > > > the > > > > > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > > > > > > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the > > > sadness > > > > > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory > > > perceptions > > > > of human beings. > > > > > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation > > > spins > > > > its isolated-self. > > > > > > > > > Not quite, Toomb, > > > > > > The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. > > > > > > Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is > > > kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. > > > > > > Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self > > > but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is > > > starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. > > > > > > Separation between the controller and the controlled is an > > > unavoidable result. > > > > > > Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things > > > they have learned > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > Puppies struggle in the womb.....yet no sense self emerges. > > > > It is within the conceptual overlay that occurs only in the mind of > > homo sapiens that the sense of being a separate self emerges. > > > > All of life struggles.....only one life form struggles against its own > > delusional dream. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That's Life!! > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tLOOlHi9ars & feature=related What race? The HUMAN race, of course! Smile. You're on candid camera. Love makes it all right. Alright? ~A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > >T: There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory perceptions > of human beings. > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation spins > its isolated-self. > > The person here is merely a tiny cog in the Magnus Machina.....As is > the person there.....They react in the only way they can. > > When the machinery here sees another has been wounded simply for > disagreeing on an obscure spiritual speculation.....it reacts. P: P: Stick with the metaphor of the bottomless and reflections. Reflections can't be wounded. Although your brain has seen the void, it's still moved by reflections. You cannot credibly talk the talk, unless you walk the walk. Defending the feelings of reflections is not void cool. Soak in the void until you chill. > > T: You say that you were offering a teaching lesson. > > I say that you were fearful and angry and banned a very wise and > gentle member simply because she stood up to you. P: What you think of me, doesn't matter. I created waves you couldn't surf. Go back in the water until you master waves. > T: You never read enough of what was offered to hear what she was saying. > > Maybe you never will. > > It will be your loss. P: Ha! Loss! What can nothing possibly gain? > > >T: I hope that you stick around after you turn over the ownership of the > list.....I would learn a lot from that. I'll, for a while, but you are attached mums, and I'm a cactus plant. > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > When the doors open and one prepares to step out into the > > vastness of > > > > > the unknown-unknowable.......a certain sadness descends. > > > > > > > > > > One is leaving behind all the memories that have represented > > love, > > > > > security and the sense of being. > > > > > > > > > > One is literally dying to the world of things. > > > > > > > > > > No longer are those beautiful grandbabies yours. > > > > > > > > > > You no longer own your house. > > > > > > > > > > Your old friend's faces loose their definition. > > > > > > > > > > As the day and insights flow together......you are pulled into > > the > > > > > flowing-moment of all-that-is........never to return. > > > > > > > > > > As the known words receded from the mind.........even the > > sadness > > > > > evaporates in the enveloping-awareness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory > > perceptions > > > of human beings. > > > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation > > spins > > > its isolated-self. > > > > > > Not quite, Toomb, > > > > The nucleus of the self is not separation but the need to control. > > > > Control already starts intrauterinally when for example the fetus is > > kicking and changig its position because something is hurting. > > > > Hurt and pain and therefore the need to control is creating the self > > but not separation. Which means the creation of a self already is > > starting in the uterus by physical neccssities. > > > > Separation between the controller and the controlled is an > > unavoidable result. > > > > Maybe thats why kids love soccer. Kicking is one of the first things > > they have learned > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > Puppies struggle in the womb.....yet no sense self emerges. No puppets, human beings, Toomb. Ok, still without a bank account, but already an organism capable of learning and so creating a nucleus of that which was learned. And it is this learning via success and via defeat, for example how to kick the right way to end some physical irritation, which then created the " kicker " . The kicker is not an entity but the memorizing of what the fetus has leanred. Werner > It is within the conceptual overlay learnethat occurs only in the mind of > homo sapiens that the sense of being a separate self emerges. > > All of life struggles.....only one life form struggles against its own > delusional dream. > > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > P: But I have only to play a silly trick > > > on you, and there you are sulking over > > > a banned poster. Funny no? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >T: There are....in essence.......two worlds. > > > > One is composed entirely of reflections. > > > > The other is the bottomless-depth upon which the reflections occur. > > > > One is the conceptual dream that arises within the sensory perceptions > > of human beings. > > > > The other is the emptiness out of which the dream of separation spins > > its isolated-self. > > > > The person here is merely a tiny cog in the Magnus Machina.....As is > > the person there.....They react in the only way they can. > > > > > > When the machinery here sees another has been wounded simply for > > disagreeing on an obscure spiritual speculation.....it reacts. > > P: P: Stick with the metaphor of the bottomless > and reflections. Reflections can't be wounded. > Although your brain has seen the void, it's > still moved by reflections. You cannot credibly > talk the talk, unless you walk the walk. > > Defending the feelings of reflections is not > void cool. Soak in the void until you chill. We are all swirling within this consensus dream of separation. Even though some believe they have attained a superior position in the dream....they haven't.....no one is in the void. Those who are programmed to believe they " understand " what its all about are as deluded as the rest. They are as much a part of the dream as those they pretend to teach. A few are able to see that they ARE the dream.....beyond which nothing is. They have no desire to teach for one very good reason. S > > > > T: You say that you were offering a teaching lesson. > > > > I say that you were fearful and angry and banned a very wise and > > gentle member simply because she stood up to you. > > P: What you think of me, doesn't matter. I created > waves you couldn't surf. Go back in the water until > you master waves. One who believes that waves can be mastered will never be an accomplished surfer. > > > T: You never read enough of what was offered to hear what she was saying. > > > > Maybe you never will. > > > > It will be your loss. > > P: Ha! Loss! What can nothing possibly gain? A sense of kindness appropriate to one's understanding of the nature of the dream. > > > > > > >T: I hope that you stick around after you turn over the ownership of the > > list.....I would learn a lot from that. > > I'll, for a while, but you are attached mums, > and I'm a cactus plant. > > Oh....you're not so tough. You ARE attachment. See that and watch what happens. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 > > > > > > > > > Puppies struggle in the womb.....yet no sense of self emerges. > > > No puppets, human beings, Toomb. Ok, still without a bank account, > but already an organism capable of learning and so creating a nucleus > of that which was learned. > > And it is this learning via success and via defeat, for example how > to kick the right way to end some physical irritation, which then > created the " kicker " . > > The kicker is not an entity but the memorizing of what the fetus has > leanred. > > Werner All sentient beings learn and perfect survival skills. Only the mind of man creates an imaginary world from which it struggles to escape. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 > > >T: We are all swirling within this consensus dream of separation. > > Even though some believe they have attained a superior position in the > dream....they haven't.....no one is in the void. > > Those who are programmed to believe they " understand " what its all > about are as deluded as the rest. > > They are as much a part of the dream as those they pretend to teach. > > A few are able to see that they ARE the dream.....beyond which nothing is. > > They have no desire to teach for one very good reason. P: OK, if you truly know there is only one dream. Then, you are an idiot to be upset by your dream characters. See my story below " The Day I Thanked Nis. " The Day I Thanked Nis By Pete The dismal alley stank of sewage and garbage. As I approached the house, a stray dog slunk away, its eyes full of fear. It was an emaciated young dog, almost a puppy. Stray dogs don't grow old in Bombay. I gave a sigh of relief as I entered the narrow stairwell smelling of dust and cheap incense. Going up, the steps groaned menacingly under my weight. In a small second floor room sat an old man dressed in white. The massive head with prominent cheekbones seemed misplaced on his frail body. The moment I entered, he opened his eyes and stared at me without surprise, or any hint of inquiry. The eyes dwarfed the head, as the head did the body. From then on, I only saw the piercing eyes, as if, disembodied, they floated in the room's penumbra. After my salutation, he gestured toward a cushion. " Where do you come from? " he asked. " I come from the future. " He laughed, and his chest rumbled with phlegm. The laugh sputtered, and then, exploded into a fitful cough. " I have no future. " he said in a strangled voice. " Your words do. In the future your words will be read by millions. They will liberate hundreds of people. " " They are not my words, and I'm not interested in those imaginary hundreds. Have those words liberated you? " " Yes, they have, and I thank you. " He laughed again, but cut it short and clearing his throat with a painful grimace, said, " If you were truly liberated, would there be any need to thank someone who never existed? " Now was my turn to laugh. " Yes, I see what you mean. That would be the only way liberation could work. To liberate one individual at a time is a hopeless task. Once the dreamer awakes, all the dream characters are seen as unreal. " " Nevertheless, you are still trying to awaken the characters in the dream, " he said. " Yes, I am. Does it mean that I'm not awake yet? " " You are dreaming that you are awake, the dream still goes on. " " But wait, you are fully awake and you still teach. " " I exist and teach only in your dream. " " So, when will the dream end? " " The day the body dies. " " You mean I had no need to study and meditate all these years that I could have had any dream I wanted? " " No. There is no 'you' apart from the dream, and there is no other dream, but this one. " " Well, If I am the dream, I will that you get well, and live as long as I do. " He laughed and began to cough again. " Get out, " he yelled. " You're an idiot. Get out. Out! " His cough echoed behind me as I hurried downstairs. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > >T: We are all swirling within this consensus dream of separation. > > > > Even though some believe they have attained a superior position in the > > dream....they haven't.....no one is in the void. > > > > Those who are programmed to believe they " understand " what its all > > about are as deluded as the rest. > > > > They are as much a part of the dream as those they pretend to teach. > > > > A few are able to see that they ARE the dream.....beyond which > nothing is. > > > > They have no desire to teach for one very good reason. > > P: OK, if you truly know there is only > one dream. Then, you are an idiot to > be upset by your dream characters. See my > story below " The Day I Thanked Nis. " The entity IS the upsetness. It gets angry......its is wired to be lustful.....sometimes it gets frightened....and lonely. It is a program. It is allowed to " do " what it is programmed to do. Only now the person that used to take credit for all that action is almost gone. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > >T: We are all swirling within this consensus dream of separation. > > > > > > Even though some believe they have attained a superior position in the > > > dream....they haven't.....no one is in the void. > > > > > > Those who are programmed to believe they " understand " what its all > > > about are as deluded as the rest. > > > > > > They are as much a part of the dream as those they pretend to teach. > > > > > > A few are able to see that they ARE the dream.....beyond which > > nothing is. > > > > > > They have no desire to teach for one very good reason. > > > > P: OK, if you truly know there is only > > one dream. Then, you are an idiot to > > be upset by your dream characters. See my > > story below " The Day I Thanked Nis. " The entity IS the upsetness. > > It gets angry......its is wired to be lustful.....sometimes it gets > frightened....and lonely. > > It is a program. > > It is allowed to " do " what it is programmed to do. > > Only now the person that used to take credit for all that action is > almost gone. > toombaru > What's gone? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 21, 2008 Report Share Posted September 21, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >T: We are all swirling within this consensus dream of separation. > > > > > > > > Even though some believe they have attained a superior position > in the > > > > dream....they haven't.....no one is in the void. > > > > > > > > Those who are programmed to believe they " understand " what its all > > > > about are as deluded as the rest. > > > > > > > > They are as much a part of the dream as those they pretend to teach. > > > > > > > > A few are able to see that they ARE the dream.....beyond which > > > nothing is. > > > > > > > > They have no desire to teach for one very good reason. > > > > > > P: OK, if you truly know there is only > > > one dream. Then, you are an idiot to > > > be upset by your dream characters. See my > > > story below " The Day I Thanked Nis. " > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The entity IS the upsetness. > > > > It gets angry......its is wired to be lustful.....sometimes it gets > > frightened....and lonely. > > > > It is a program. > > > > It is allowed to " do " what it is programmed to do. > > > > > > > > > Only now the person that used to take credit for all that action is > > almost gone. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > What's gone? > .......a shadow appears to fade......in the light of sun....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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