Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Old paradigm assumed the physical world was " out there " and that the brain represented it in some internal neural language. New paradigm sees that the nervous system is autopoietic (self-making) and therefore organizationally closed. What we know about the world has to do with how our own internal structures organize themselves (ie, the brain is self-organizing!), not with how a pre-existing world is represented. More in the following video: http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=6frNFSXj5ws & feature=related And so my repeatedly stating that consciousness is just created for no other reason than to get commuinicated seems not to be that wrong. The world of consciousness is the world we share and communciate. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 17, 2008 Report Share Posted September 17, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Old paradigm assumed the physical world was " out there " and that the > brain represented it in some internal neural language. > > New paradigm sees that the nervous system is autopoietic (self-making) > and therefore organizationally closed. What we know about the world > has to do with how our own internal structures organize themselves > (ie, the brain is self-organizing!), not with how a pre-existing world > is represented. > > More in the following video: > > http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=6frNFSXj5ws & feature=related > > And so my repeatedly stating that consciousness is just created for no > other reason than to get commuinicated seems not to be that wrong. > > The world of consciousness is the world we share and communciate. > > > > Werner > Even if there were a world " out there " .....you could never know it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Old paradigm assumed the physical world was " out there " and that the > > brain represented it in some internal neural language. > > > > New paradigm sees that the nervous system is autopoietic (self- making) > > and therefore organizationally closed. What we know about the world > > has to do with how our own internal structures organize themselves > > (ie, the brain is self-organizing!), not with how a pre-existing world > > is represented. > > > > More in the following video: > > > > http://de.youtube.com/watch?v=6frNFSXj5ws & feature=related > > > > And so my repeatedly stating that consciousness is just created for no > > other reason than to get commuinicated seems not to be that wrong. > > > > The world of consciousness is the world we share and communciate. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Even if there were a world " out there " .....you could never know it. > > > > toombaru who knows..... ....... there is no world there is no " you " there is no " Werner " there is no " Marc " there is no.... there is no... there are only....sometimes....appearently forms of Nothing at all ..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 18, 2008 Report Share Posted September 18, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > who knows..... > > ...... > > there is no world > > there is no " you " > > there is no " Werner " > > there is no " Marc " > > there is no.... > > there is no... > > there are only....sometimes....appearently forms of Nothing at all > > > > .... > > > Marc --- > > How do you know there is nothing at all? With what have you been able to make that conclusion? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > who knows..... > > > > ...... > > > > there is no world > > > > there is no " you " > > > > there is no " Werner " > > > > there is no " Marc " > > > > there is no.... > > > > there is no... > > > > there are only....sometimes....appearently forms of Nothing at all > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > How do you know there is nothing at all? With what have you been able to > make that conclusion? > > tyga it's not about a conclusion.....it's just like that..... there is nobody who could know anything realy..... everything is already known..... for all times.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: >> >> How do you know there is nothing at all? With what have you been >> > able to > >> make that conclusion? >> >> tyga >> > > > it's not about a conclusion.....it's just like that..... > > there is nobody who could know anything realy..... > > everything is already known..... > > for all times.... > > > > > Marc > > > > I guess we ought to just take for granted that language and concepts are and will always be inadequate to describe what it is you here and others attempt to convey. My question was kind of pointless really, already knowing that there is no real answer, at least no-thing and no-nothing cannot be adequately conveyed nor conceived. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > >> > >> How do you know there is nothing at all? With what have you been > >> > > able to > > > >> make that conclusion? > >> > >> tyga > >> > > > > > > it's not about a conclusion.....it's just like that..... > > > > there is nobody who could know anything realy..... > > > > everything is already known..... > > > > for all times.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > I guess we ought to just take for granted that language and concepts are > and will always be inadequate to describe what it is you here and others > attempt to convey. nobody in here attempt to convey anything realy....it's just the result of eating/breathing/sleeping....just living.... you are still trapped by words....words...and words.... and also....others....more others....more and more others....others.....and more others.... there is neither " you " ....and so...nor others > > My question was kind of pointless really, already knowing that there is > no real answer, at least no-thing and no-nothing cannot be adequately > conveyed nor conceived. there is no pointless question......because there is no point at/to any questions..... > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > nobody in here attempt to convey anything realy....it's just the > result of eating/breathing/sleeping....just living.... > > you are still trapped by words....words...and words.... > > and also....others....more others....more and more > others....others.....and more others.... > > there is neither " you " ....and so...nor others > > > > So what do you suggest, we all start sending blank emails to group? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 19, 2008 Report Share Posted September 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > nobody in here attempt to convey anything realy....it's just the > > result of eating/breathing/sleeping....just living.... > > > > you are still trapped by words....words...and words.... > > > > and also....others....more others....more and more > > others....others.....and more others.... > > > > there is neither " you " ....and so...nor others > > > > > > > > > So what do you suggest, we all start sending blank emails to group? > > tyga there is nobody who suggest anything in here..... you are constantly trapped in/by your little thinking ego-bubble.... that's all wake up Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > there is nobody who suggest anything in here..... > > you are constantly trapped in/by your little thinking ego-bubble.... > > that's all > > wake up > > Marc > > > > > --- > > For someone who believes that nobody is suggesting anything, you appear to be making some pretty bold claims. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 20, 2008 Report Share Posted September 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > there is nobody who suggest anything in here..... > > > > you are constantly trapped in/by your little thinking ego-bubble.... > > > > that's all > > > > wake up > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > For someone who believes that nobody is suggesting anything, you appear > to be making some pretty bold claims. > > > tyga > No one claims anything that wasn't once suggested ;-) Hi Tyga! ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > there is nobody who suggest anything in here..... > > > > you are constantly trapped in/by your little thinking ego- bubble.... > > > > that's all > > > > wake up > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > For someone who believes that nobody is suggesting anything, you appear > to be making some pretty bold claims. > > > tyga happy now?.... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > > happy now?.... > > > Marc > > > > > --- > > Yes. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 22, 2008 Report Share Posted September 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > happy now?.... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Yes. > > tyga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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