Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > >> > >> I agree A, > >> > >> We do need to unlearn what we have learned but we must know what it is > >> we need to unlearn before we unlearn it, other wise we are fumbling > >> around in the darkness, so to speak. > >> > >> In my opinion, we are needing to unlearn the unconscious and violent > >> behaviours and thought forms. We are needing to begin a learning of > >> > > love > > > >> and compassion, to learn to communicate in a positive and constructive > >> manner. That's about it in an nutshell, in my opinion. > >> > >> I must admit though, I'm still attempting to unlearn those hostile > >> learnings that I was brought up with. > >> > >> > >> tyga > >> > >> > > > > > > Tyga, > > > > Ponder your idiotic Love-Peace-and-Compassion ideal and throw it > > off-board. > > > > I'm curious, why do you need to perceive love and compassion as idiotic ? Tyga, Can't you read ? I did not say that. I wrote that the > " ideal " < of love and compassion is idiottic. It seems that you can't differ between an actuality and its ideal. > Why do you feel you need to discard anything? Do you feel that denial is > a preferred state of mind to one of love and compassion? Can't you read ? I suggested to discard the ideal and not the actual. Can't you see the difference betwen the actual and the ideal ? If you would be full of love and compassion, Tyga, I would love to call you my friend. But my reply to you was only about the danger of cultivating ideals and it was in no way about love and compassion - I even didn't mention those. Cultivating the ideal of love and compassion and then walking arround like a proud peacock and babbling of it would be better you have your proud spiritual ass kicked to get down from your high spiritual horse, down to earth to be able again to differ between the atcual and its ideal. As long as you can't differ between the actual and the ideal it makes no sense for me to go on with that. Werner so, it makes no more sense for me to go on with that. Werner > > > > Behind every ideal sits the inability to stand pain. Creating an ideal > > is the brain's usual automatic reaction when meeting an unpleasent > > situation. > > > > I disagree. People can be motivated for many different reasons, one of > those reasons might be pain. I wonder, what motivates you to be so > nihilistic? > > > > When you feel tension caused by a person or a situation then this > > tension was invoked by a prior ideal which already was sitting in your > > memory. > > > > Yes indeed, I understand. So you perceive the solution to pain is to > discard any practical solution, like replacing those negative formed > ideas with more positive, more constructive ideas, for example? > > > > Every tension arises through that clash between an ideal and reality. > > > > As long as you carry with you an ideal then sooner or later it must > > cause tensions when meeting a reality which contradicts the standards > > of that ideal. > > > > Such is life. > > > > So: > > Instead of " unlearning those hostile learnings that you were brought > > up with " better try to find out which ideal was sitting behind a > > tension you had to suffer from. > > > > Isn't that the same thing? > > > Directly realizing how tension is caused by an indeal you carried with > > you will end that ideal and throw it out of your system - if you > > aren't that stubborn to hold on to it > > > > There is no need to unlearn. > > > > Werner > > > > > Wouldn't unlearning be essentially the same thing as discarding, I mean > once something is unlearned, it no longer serves and purpose? > > tyga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Tyga, > > > > Sorry, but talking about love and compassion without living it is > > plain hypocricy, I even would call it a crime, the crime of blinding > > naive souls with words. > > > > And please see it: Conscious virtue is vanity ! > > > > As soon as your are conscious of your love and compassion, vanity has > > overtaken. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > So how do you suggest we " live " our lives? > > tyga > Tyga, I never would dare to suggest such nonsense. To help someone better to understand the mechanisms of ideals and to see the misery which they inevitably must breed is more than enough. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > > Tyga, > > I never would dare to suggest such nonsense. > > To help someone better to understand the mechanisms of ideals and to > see the misery which they inevitably must breed is more than enough. > > Werner > > > > > --- > > Werner, Why do you perceive everything as inevitably being misery? Are you miserable and if so how does this fit in with your understanding of Sri Nis's teachings? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Tyga, > > > > I never would dare to suggest such nonsense. > > > > To help someone better to understand the mechanisms of ideals and to > > see the misery which they inevitably must breed is more than enough. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Werner, > > Why do you perceive everything as inevitably being misery? Are you > miserable and if so how does this fit in with your understanding of Sri > Nis's teachings? > > tyga > Tyga, If you are interested to have some serious exchange with me then please don't start inventing shit and to project it onto me. I don't take those cloths you try to dress me with. Stop that crap. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > - > > > > Tyga, > > If you are interested to have some serious exchange with me then > please don't start inventing shit and to project it onto me. I don't > take those cloths you try to dress me with. > > Stop that crap. > > Werner > > > > > --- > > Yes, I am interested in discussion, of course and am very interested in understanding what you have to offer. I apologise if you felt that I was attempting to paint you in some fashion that does not agree with you, in future I hope we can communicate with greater understanding of what each other is attempting to communicate. I look forward to conducive discussions. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > - > > > > > > > > Tyga, > > > > If you are interested to have some serious exchange with me then > > please don't start inventing shit and to project it onto me. I don't > > take those cloths you try to dress me with. > > > > Stop that crap. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Yes, I am interested in discussion, of course and am very interested in > understanding what you have to offer. > > I apologise if you felt that I was attempting to paint you in some > fashion that does not agree with you, Don't apologize Tyga, I am not God. To aplologize is avoiding the consequences of what one did or has said. > in future I hope we can > communicate with greater understanding of what each other > to communicate. > That is a word, Tyga ! But, I cannot tell you more than I already did. If you can't take my words and you struggle like a stranded fish then better go slowly by slowly - there is no hurry. Werner > I look forward to conducive discussions. > > tyga > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > > > Tyga, > > > > > > Sorry, but talking about love and compassion without living it is > > > plain hypocricy, I even would call it a crime, the crime of blinding > > > naive souls with words. > > > > > > And please see it: Conscious virtue is vanity ! > > > > > > As soon as your are conscious of your love and compassion, vanity has > > > overtaken. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > So how do you suggest we " live " our lives? > > > > tyga > > > > > Tyga, > > I never would dare to suggest such nonsense. > > To help someone better to understand the mechanisms of ideals and to > see the misery which they inevitably must breed is more than enough. > > Werner > Forget about them. Work on yourself. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only ONENESS? Existence never started cause START---CONTINUE -----STOP are an illusion... really ONE. How can there be arguments when there is no such thing as a source of existence....much less a source of argument? Beam " UP " to that where there is no up or down.....right or wrong....no " I " . See if you like this ....THE TRUE SELF Maybe you`ll enjoy this more than be a dream character imagining there is a world here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > > > > > Tyga, > > > > > > > > Sorry, but talking about love and compassion without living it is > > > > plain hypocricy, I even would call it a crime, the crime of blinding > > > > naive souls with words. > > > > > > > > And please see it: Conscious virtue is vanity ! > > > > > > > > As soon as your are conscious of your love and compassion, > vanity has > > > > overtaken. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > So how do you suggest we " live " our lives? > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > Tyga, > > > > I never would dare to suggest such nonsense. > > > > To help someone better to understand the mechanisms of ideals and to > > see the misery which they inevitably must breed is more than enough. > > > > Werner > > > > > Forget about them. > > Work on yourself. > > t. > Haha, " work on oneself " , very nice ... Did you today already had your daily work on yourself, Toomb ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0 wrote: > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only ONENESS? > There is no such thing as oneness. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> wrote: > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only > ONENESS? > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > t. > Is there such a thing as twoness? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only > > ONENESS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > > > > t. > > > > > Is there such a thing as twoness? > > > ~A > Yes. Today I had a twoness salad for lunch. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only > > > ONENESS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > Is there such a thing as twoness? > > > > > > ~A > > > > > Yes. > > > > Today I had a twoness salad for lunch. > > > > toombaru > I'm afraid to ask, did you eat it or wear it? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only > > > > ONENESS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there such a thing as twoness? > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > Today I had a twoness salad for lunch. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > I'm afraid to ask, did you eat it or wear it? > > ~A > Without any doubt, if Toomb got the chance he will wear the salad -especially when there are some ladies nearby who aren't frightened to see a naked old man wearing salad. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 24, 2008 Report Share Posted September 24, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Without any doubt, if Toomb got the chance he will wear the salad > -especially when there are some ladies nearby who aren't frightened to > see a naked old man wearing salad. > > Werner > > > > --- > > It takes towness to tango. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there > is only > > > > > ONENESS? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > t. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Is there such a thing as twoness? > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes. > > > > > > > > > > > > Today I had a twoness salad for lunch. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > I'm afraid to ask, did you eat it or wear it? > > > > ~A > > > > > Without any doubt, if Toomb got the chance he will wear the salad > -especially when there are some ladies nearby who aren't frightened to > see a naked old man wearing salad. > > Werner > My body is a thing of beauty. Even teenage girls giggle when I walk by. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 toombaru2006 wrote: > > > My body is a thing of beauty. > > Even teenage girls giggle when I walk by. > > > > > toombaru > > > > > --- > Giggling or convulsing, they look very similar? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > toombaru2006 wrote: > > > > > > My body is a thing of beauty. > > > > Even teenage girls giggle when I walk by. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > Giggling or convulsing, they look very similar? > > tyga > ummmmmmm.......hummmmmmmm............no.....I think they want me. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > toombaru2006 wrote: > > > > > > > > > My body is a thing of beauty. > > > > > > Even teenage girls giggle when I walk by. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > Giggling or convulsing, they look very similar? > > > > tyga > > > > > > ummmmmmm.......hummmmmmmm............no.....I think they want me. > > > > t. > Ok. we know WHO but for what? Why? Questions no body needs to know. ;-) A. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0@> wrote: > > > > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only > ONENESS? > There is no such thing as oneness. > > > t. the box of an ego-bubble can discover oneness of the box.... with the help of an imaginary God... it's possible to discover Whole of the box.... ...... and then.... after that... will come another chapter... ..... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 25, 2008 Report Share Posted September 25, 2008 Nisargadatta , Keith Karnaky <htiek0 wrote: > > > How can there be any arguments or no arguments when there is only ONENESS? > > Existence never started cause START---CONTINUE -----STOP are an illusion... > really ONE. > > How can there be arguments when there is no such thing as a source of existence....much less a source of argument? > > > Beam " UP " to that where there is no up or down.....right or wrong....no " I " . > > See if you like this ....THE TRUE SELF > > Maybe you`ll enjoy this more than be a dream character imagining there is a world here. so why wasting some time and words.....if you realy " like the TRUE SELF " .......?.... do you realy think that some so called " non-dual " kids in here......who take themself for " enlightened beings " .....filled up with love and other emotions.....etc.... that they would get any " TRUE SELF " ?.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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