Guest guest Posted September 29, 2008 Report Share Posted September 29, 2008 What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I don't... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that > I > > > > don't... > > > > > > > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... > > > before all words...you are... > > > > > > > > > > That's the kinda talk the self likes to hear. > > > > Stuff like: > > > > " You don't have to do anything. " > > > > " You're already enlightened. " > > > > " You are all that is " . > > > > " You're perfect the way you are. " > > > > " Your little self is already your big self. " > > > > Things like that make it feel warm all over.....and give it hope. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > as long as you think that there is something that must be done... > you will continue on the same old mumbo jumbo road...with the eyes > closed...but (soner or later) you will see that you have never done > anything at all...in your " whole " so called " life " ... > ...iietsa > So tell me how does one *do something* with one's life? It seems to me everyone everywhere is already *doing something*. We just may or may not like it. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 > > > > > > So tell me how does one *do something* with one's life? It seems to > me everyone everywhere is already *doing something*. > > We just may or may not like it. > > ~A P: I overheard this conversation by Toomb and his twin in the womb. Twin: " what are you doing with your life? Toomb: " It's fun to float in here: dark, quiet, warm. " Twin: " It won't last, birth comes to us all. I have a feeling hell awaits outside. " Toomb: " That might be so, but meanwhile let's float. Oh, by the way, I kick with my legs, but what part of me is my life? Can I kick with that? " Pete > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " iietsa " <iietsa@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that > > I > > > > > don't... > > > > > > > > > what you keep hearing is mumbo jumbo... > > > > before all words...you are... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > That's the kinda talk the self likes to hear. > > > > > > Stuff like: > > > > > > " You don't have to do anything. " > > > > > > " You're already enlightened. " > > > > > > " You are all that is " . > > > > > > " You're perfect the way you are. " > > > > > > " Your little self is already your big self. " > > > > > > Things like that make it feel warm all over.....and give it hope. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > as long as you think that there is something that must be done... > > you will continue on the same old mumbo jumbo road...with the eyes > > closed...but (soner or later) you will see that you have never done > > anything at all...in your " whole " so called " life " ... > > ...iietsa > > > > > > So tell me how does one *do something* with one's life? It seems to > me everyone everywhere is already *doing something*. > > We just may or may not like it. > > ~A > likes and dislikes are mere dancing shadows performing their trix... who is watching them.?..you know they are there...who knows them ? ....iietsa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 It can not be proven. Proof only exists when one " I " shows another " I " the proof. But direct realization is something does not require another to show proof. Namaste, ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > > don't... > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " comes > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > Namaste, > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > Now this is interesting Eric... > > " There is existence prior to *I* " . > > How can you prove it? There is only a tangible proof engendered by > the present awareness of the many in my *I*. > > What if all that is this is arose simultaneously... now that we have > the riddle of time solved...? > > ~A > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 " Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is meaningless. " Toombaru, Who said anything about existential reality? Namaste, ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that I > > > > don't... > > > > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " comes > > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > > > > > > Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is meaningless. > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > " Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is > meaningless. " > > Toombaru, > > Who said anything about existential reality? > > Namaste, > > ~ Eric Putkonen Something would have to exist in order to have something else exist prior to it. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > So tell me how does one *do something* with one's life? It seems to > > me everyone everywhere is already *doing something*. > > > > We just may or may not like it. > > > > ~A > > P: I overheard this conversation by > Toomb and his twin in the womb. > > Twin: " what are you doing with your life? > > Toomb: " It's fun to float in here: dark, quiet, > warm. " > > Twin: " It won't last, birth comes to us all. > I have a feeling hell awaits outside. " > > Toomb: " That might be so, but meanwhile let's > float. Oh, by the way, I kick with my > legs, but what part of me is my life? > Can I kick with that? " > > Pete > > > > > LOL That's the way it is. For the entity, there is nothing outside of the self-contained bubble. It IS the bubble. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 1, 2008 Report Share Posted October 1, 2008 Or at least the appearance or illusion of something being there. ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > " Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is > > meaningless. " > > > > Toombaru, > > > > Who said anything about existential reality? > > > > Namaste, > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > Something would have to exist in order to have something else exist > prior to it. > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > Or at least the appearance or illusion of something being there. > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > " Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is > > > meaningless. " > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > Who said anything about existential reality? > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > > > > Something would have to exist in order to have something else exist > > prior to it. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Nothing can be prior to an illusion. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So tell me how does one *do something* with one's life? It seems to > > > me everyone everywhere is already *doing something*. > > > > > > We just may or may not like it. > > > > > > ~A > > > > P: I overheard this conversation by > > Toomb and his twin in the womb. > > > > Twin: " what are you doing with your life? > > > > Toomb: " It's fun to float in here: dark, quiet, > > warm. " > > > > Twin: " It won't last, birth comes to us all. > > I have a feeling hell awaits outside. " > > > > Toomb: " That might be so, but meanwhile let's > > float. Oh, by the way, I kick with my > > legs, but what part of me is my life? > > Can I kick with that? " > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL > > That's the way it is. > > For the entity, there is nothing outside of the self-contained bubble. > > It IS the bubble. > > > > toombaru > Hey! Who said anything about a life *out there*? We're always trying to *get a life*.. as the vernacular goes. Life. No two ways about it. ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 However, on these non-dual lists that is all we ever do.... show me the money (nonduality)! ~A Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > It can not be proven. Proof only exists when one " I " shows > another " I " the proof. But direct realization is something does not > require another to show proof. > > Namaste, > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that > I > > > > don't... > > > > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " > comes > > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > > > > Now this is interesting Eric... > > > > " There is existence prior to *I* " . > > > > How can you prove it? There is only a tangible proof engendered by > > the present awareness of the many in my *I*. > > > > What if all that is this is arose simultaneously... now that we have > > the riddle of time solved...? > > > > ~A > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Prior to perceiving the illusion of water (a mirage) there was just sand. ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > Or at least the appearance or illusion of something being there. > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > " Since the " I " has no existential reality the word " prior " is > > > > meaningless. " > > > > > > > > Toombaru, > > > > > > > > Who said anything about existential reality? > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > > > > > > > > Something would have to exist in order to have something else exist > > > prior to it. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > Nothing can be prior to an illusion. > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 And look at where that has got them. ~ Eric Putkonen http://www.awaken2life.org Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > However, on these non-dual lists that is all we ever do.... show me > the money (nonduality)! > > ~A > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > wrote: > > > > It can not be proven. Proof only exists when one " I " shows > > another " I " the proof. But direct realization is something does not > > require another to show proof. > > > > Namaste, > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing that > > I > > > > > don't... > > > > > > > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but the " I " > > comes > > > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this is interesting Eric... > > > > > > " There is existence prior to *I* " . > > > > > > How can you prove it? There is only a tangible proof engendered by > > > the present awareness of the many in my *I*. > > > > > > What if all that is this is arose simultaneously... now that we have > > > the riddle of time solved...? > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > Prior to perceiving the illusion of water (a mirage) there was just > sand. > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > It certainly seems like that to the conceptual mind. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 2, 2008 Report Share Posted October 2, 2008 " THEM " ????????? o my... ~A Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen wrote: > > And look at where that has got them. > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > http://www.awaken2life.org > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > wrote: > > > > However, on these non-dual lists that is all we ever do.... show me > > the money (nonduality)! > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " <eputkonen@> > > wrote: > > > > > > It can not be proven. Proof only exists when one " I " shows > > > another " I " the proof. But direct realization is something does > not > > > require another to show proof. > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Putkonen " > <eputkonen@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " mister_benn210 " > > > > > <mister_benn210@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What is existence? I feel like I exist, but I keep hearing > that > > > I > > > > > > don't... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Existence is true (feeling/awareness of existence), but > the " I " > > > comes > > > > > later. There is existence prior to " I " . > > > > > > > > > > Namaste, > > > > > > > > > > ~ Eric Putkonen > > > > > http://www.awaken2life.org > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Now this is interesting Eric... > > > > > > > > " There is existence prior to *I* " . > > > > > > > > How can you prove it? There is only a tangible proof > engendered by > > > > the present awareness of the many in my *I*. > > > > > > > > What if all that is this is arose simultaneously... now that we > have > > > > the riddle of time solved...? > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Another gem from Dan ;-). Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: Nisargadatta , " toombaru2004 " <cptc@w...> wrote: > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable to tell the difference > between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham Lincoln. > > > .....between a hotdog and a heaven. > > > t. Yes. Between a hotme and *this.* And they are so busy asserting themselves, that they can't look at what they are doing. And they'll tell you over and over that you're the one whose missing how wise they are. They are running their lives and the world this way, and they aren't going to stop what they're doing, just 'cause someone knows what they're up to. You just get all the usual " it's you who doesn't know squat, and it's me that knows what your game is, and you suck. " -- over and over ad nauseum. You can't pour new tea into a full cup. You can't put new wine into old skins -- it just makes the new wine sour. The old skin just turns wine into whine. Because it's their constant whining that is the dead giveaway. Yet, to their own ears, it sounds like music. :-) -- Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted June 20, 2009 Report Share Posted June 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > The trouble...that most humans have.....is that they are unable to > tell the difference between the respective reality of a Santa Claus and an Abraham Lincoln > -tim- > > From here both are just tales...history > -geo- from here..here is a joke too. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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