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The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never

questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me

an illusion ?

 

Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal.

 

Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input

processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past

already stored old data.

 

This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex

building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a

mix of sensory input and past images.

 

Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because

it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in

memory.

 

And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your

past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse

is filled with total different material than your's is.

 

And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality

now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past

and my past.

 

Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now.

It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what

seems to be reality.

 

Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't.

 

You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just

conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ...

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never

> questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me

> an illusion ?

>

> Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal.

>

> Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input

> processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past

> already stored old data.

>

> This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex

> building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a

> mix of sensory input and past images.

>

> Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because

> it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in

> memory.

>

> And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your

> past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse

> is filled with total different material than your's is.

>

> And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality

> now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past

> and my past.

>

> Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now.

> It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what

> seems to be reality.

>

> Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't.

>

> You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just

> conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ...

>

> Werner

>

 

 

 

The " you " is nothing other than the process of re-cognition.

 

There is no you to be real of unreal.

 

 

 

t.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never

> > questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me

> > an illusion ?

> >

> > Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal.

> >

> > Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input

> > processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past

> > already stored old data.

> >

> > This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex

> > building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a

> > mix of sensory input and past images.

> >

> > Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because

> > it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in

> > memory.

> >

> > And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your

> > past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse

> > is filled with total different material than your's is.

> >

> > And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality

> > now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past

> > and my past.

> >

> > Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now.

> > It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what

> > seems to be reality.

> >

> > Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't.

> >

> > You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just

> > conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ...

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

>

> The " you " is nothing other than the process of re-cognition.

>

> There is no you to be real of unreal.

>

>

>

> t.

>

 

 

Thanks Toomb, short and precise.

 

 

What we are experiencing as REALITY is just the process of

re-cognition. It is me.

 

Same with life. One cannot call life as real or unreal or as an

illusion. Life is a process.

 

When during a talk a visitor was using the word " mind " , Ramana

reacted: " Mind ? Can you show me the mind " ?

 

 

Werner

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Siddharameshwar [Nisargadatta and Ranjit Maharaj teacher] talk about

circles OR spheres of influence.

 

What`s the center piece of the experience for a PERSONAL I is it`s

sences...that is a sphere....for tree outside it`s it`s it`s sences in its

location.

 

Theses circles/spheres/universe of experience are more UNIVERSAL than just

that of a human body.

 

Like the sphere of ALIVE....or the sphere of KNOWNEDGE or

KNOWLEDGE.

Not just PERSONAL centered in a human body knowledge but at the base and

foundation of 100% without exception ALL...

 

That supposed ONE that supposedly contains ALL the parts.

 

ALL OF THIS STUFF TALKED ABOUT IN THIS EMAIL AND EVERY SEEMING PULSATION FROM

ANY AND ALL PULSATIONS CAN BE SAID TO COME FROM NOTHING.

 

Then this SUPPOSED NOTHING is also THAT...and to where it SUPPOSEDLY manefest

is also THAT.

 

Either personal sphere/universes or UNIVERSAL....sphere/universe...they are all

one and the same THAT.

 

This " I " isn`t but absorbed in THAT or better stated that it NEVER STARTED NON

DID ANY UNIVERSE TO WHERE IT SUPPOSEDLY COULD START.

 

Sorry guys./.....

 

my coffee just kicked in

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