Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me an illusion ? Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal. Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past already stored old data. This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a mix of sensory input and past images. Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in memory. And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse is filled with total different material than your's is. And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past and my past. Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now. It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what seems to be reality. Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't. You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never > questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me > an illusion ? > > Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal. > > Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input > processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past > already stored old data. > > This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex > building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a > mix of sensory input and past images. > > Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because > it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in > memory. > > And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your > past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse > is filled with total different material than your's is. > > And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality > now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past > and my past. > > Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now. > It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what > seems to be reality. > > Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't. > > You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just > conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ... > > Werner > The " you " is nothing other than the process of re-cognition. There is no you to be real of unreal. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > The illusionary me, I, or you is so often mentioned but never > > questioned that one has to ask is it really that imaginary, is the me > > an illusion ? > > > > Not at all. It is real like everything else is real or unreal. > > > > Just have a look at the Now. What seems to be now is sensory input > > processed and interpreted in the brain by comparing it with past > > already stored old data. > > > > This processing is NOT mental or intellectual but a very complex > > building up of a reality which seems to exist now but which is just a > > mix of sensory input and past images. > > > > Cognition is always recognition. You can recognize an object because > > it subconsiously got compared with similar images already present in > > memory. > > > > And because that storehouse of the past is YOUR own memory, is your > > past and not mine it is quite easy to understand that my strorehouse > > is filled with total different material than your's is. > > > > And therefore my reality now is total different from your reality > > now. We may see the same object but it got interpreted by your past > > and my past. > > > > Understanding all this one must see that the Now is me, I am the Now. > > It is my Now. The Now is my total subjectitivity. I am that what > > seems to be reality. > > > > Do you experience reality as imaginary or an illusion ? No you don't. > > > > You might call reality an illusuion, but that calling is just > > conceptual splish splash, mental blabla ... > > > > Werner > > > > > > The " you " is nothing other than the process of re-cognition. > > There is no you to be real of unreal. > > > > t. > Thanks Toomb, short and precise. What we are experiencing as REALITY is just the process of re-cognition. It is me. Same with life. One cannot call life as real or unreal or as an illusion. Life is a process. When during a talk a visitor was using the word " mind " , Ramana reacted: " Mind ? Can you show me the mind " ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Siddharameshwar [Nisargadatta and Ranjit Maharaj teacher] talk about circles OR spheres of influence. What`s the center piece of the experience for a PERSONAL I is it`s sences...that is a sphere....for tree outside it`s it`s it`s sences in its location. Theses circles/spheres/universe of experience are more UNIVERSAL than just that of a human body. Like the sphere of ALIVE....or the sphere of KNOWNEDGE or KNOWLEDGE. Not just PERSONAL centered in a human body knowledge but at the base and foundation of 100% without exception ALL... That supposed ONE that supposedly contains ALL the parts. ALL OF THIS STUFF TALKED ABOUT IN THIS EMAIL AND EVERY SEEMING PULSATION FROM ANY AND ALL PULSATIONS CAN BE SAID TO COME FROM NOTHING. Then this SUPPOSED NOTHING is also THAT...and to where it SUPPOSEDLY manefest is also THAT. Either personal sphere/universes or UNIVERSAL....sphere/universe...they are all one and the same THAT. This " I " isn`t but absorbed in THAT or better stated that it NEVER STARTED NON DID ANY UNIVERSE TO WHERE IT SUPPOSEDLY COULD START. Sorry guys./..... my coffee just kicked in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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