Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 A doctor friend of mine told me that an elderly female patient of his recently committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen table and shot herself in the head. On the table she left a note addressed to no one in particular which said: " Please, excuse the mess. " Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > elderly female patient of his recently > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > table and shot herself in the head. On > the table she left a note addressed to no > one in particular which said: > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > Pete > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. .........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > elderly female patient of his recently > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > one in particular which said: > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > Pete > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > toombaru > A famous haiku said: " An unknown force is carrying water and chopping wood " Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 There is Ultimate Zen? ..p. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " pollyisitsafe " <pollyisitsafe wrote: > > There is Ultimate Zen? > .p. P: A bullet to the brain is as ultimate as it gets. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > elderly female patient of his recently > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > one in particular which said: > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > Pete > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > toombaru P; Even banning your favorite poster? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > > elderly female patient of his recently > > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > > one in particular which said: > > > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P; Even banning your favorite poster? > > > There occurs within the conceptual overlay a form of thinking in which it imagined that there is an entity that needs to learn something.....and that there exists another entity that can do the required teaching. That could not be further from the truth. Nothing of value was learned from your infantile reaction to a sweet and wise woman who disagreed with your misconceptions concerning the nature of reality. I do miss her.......and due to your actions.....I doubt that we will be hearing from her again. Now all of that is perfectly appropriate.......albeit painful. It all occurred in the only way it could. There exists no entity that can improve its imagined circumstance. It's time for you to drop the facade of being a teacher and see what's really going on. Time is running out. toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " pollyisitsafe " <pollyisitsafe wrote: > > There is Ultimate Zen? > .p. > Everything is its own ultimate. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " pollyisitsafe " <pollyisitsafe wrote: > > There is Ultimate Zen? > .p. > Well......since " zen " doesn't actually exist...... No. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 5, 2008 Report Share Posted October 5, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > > > elderly female patient of his recently > > > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > > > one in particular which said: > > > > > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > > > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > > > > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P; Even banning your favorite poster? > > > > > > > > There occurs within the conceptual overlay a form of thinking in which > it imagined that there is an entity that needs to learn > something.....and that there exists another entity that can do the > required teaching. > > That could not be further from the truth. > > Nothing of value was learned from your infantile reaction to a sweet > and wise woman who disagreed with your misconceptions concerning the > nature of reality. > > I do miss her.......and due to your actions.....I doubt that we will > be hearing from her again. > > Now all of that is perfectly appropriate.......albeit painful. > > It all occurred in the only way it could. > > There exists no entity that can improve its imagined circumstance. > > It's time for you to drop the facade of being a teacher and see what's > really going on. > > Time is running out. > > > > >P: I'll let you drop yours first, and tell me how you like it. You write above that there is no entities, and a few sentences later that there is a Pete entity who needs to drop a facade. So which do you really believe? And it wasn't you, but her who needed to learn. I'm no more teacher than your PC is, and I'm sure you have learned a lot from your PC. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > > > > elderly female patient of his recently > > > > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > > > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > > > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > > > > one in particular which said: > > > > > > > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > > > > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > > > > > > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > P; Even banning your favorite poster? > > > > > > > > > > > > > There occurs within the conceptual overlay a form of thinking in which > > it imagined that there is an entity that needs to learn > > something.....and that there exists another entity that can do the > > required teaching. > > > > That could not be further from the truth. > > > > Nothing of value was learned from your infantile reaction to a sweet > > and wise woman who disagreed with your misconceptions concerning the > > nature of reality. > > > > I do miss her.......and due to your actions.....I doubt that we will > > be hearing from her again. > > > > Now all of that is perfectly appropriate.......albeit painful. > > > > It all occurred in the only way it could. > > > > There exists no entity that can improve its imagined circumstance. > > > > It's time for you to drop the facade of being a teacher and see what's > > really going on. > > > > Time is running out. > > > > > > > > > >P: I'll let you drop yours first, and tell > me how you like it. You write above that > there is no entities, and a few sentences later > that there is a Pete entity who needs to drop > a facade. So which do you really believe? And it > wasn't you, but her who needed to learn. I'm no more > teacher than your PC is, and I'm sure you have learned > a lot from your PC. > Everything that I say is said to myself. The only " pete " that I know is swirling within the synaptic-mnemonic interface of this brain sitting on these shoulders. It was my own infantile reactions that were being noted. You are but one of the reflective surfaces in vast hall of mirrors that comprises my world-view. The only teacher that we will ever know is on the inside. I have always enjoyed your company........but sometimes I am wounded by your presence. love toombaru toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > > > > > elderly female patient of his recently > > > > > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > > > > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > > > > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > > > > > one in particular which said: > > > > > > > > > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > > > > > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > > > > > > > > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > P; Even banning your favorite poster? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There occurs within the conceptual overlay a form of thinking in which > > > it imagined that there is an entity that needs to learn > > > something.....and that there exists another entity that can do the > > > required teaching. > > > > > > That could not be further from the truth. > > > > > > Nothing of value was learned from your infantile reaction to a sweet > > > and wise woman who disagreed with your misconceptions concerning the > > > nature of reality. > > > > > > I do miss her.......and due to your actions.....I doubt that we will > > > be hearing from her again. > > > > > > Now all of that is perfectly appropriate.......albeit painful. > > > > > > It all occurred in the only way it could. > > > > > > There exists no entity that can improve its imagined circumstance. > > > > > > It's time for you to drop the facade of being a teacher and see what's > > > really going on. > > > > > > Time is running out. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >P: I'll let you drop yours first, and tell > > me how you like it. You write above that > > there is no entities, and a few sentences later > > that there is a Pete entity who needs to drop > > a facade. So which do you really believe? And it > > wasn't you, but her who needed to learn. I'm no more > > teacher than your PC is, and I'm sure you have learned > > a lot from your PC. > > > > > Everything that I say is said to myself. > > The only " pete " that I know is swirling within the synaptic-mnemonic > interface of this brain sitting on these shoulders. > > It was my own infantile reactions that were being noted. > > You are but one of the reflective surfaces in vast hall of mirrors > that comprises my world-view. > > The only teacher that we will ever know is on the inside. > > I have always enjoyed your company........but sometimes I am wounded > by your presence. > > > > > > love > > > > > toombaru toombaru > The woundedness that we share makes us nothing.... but humans sharing... Some things happen without interference... some things happen because we are the interference.... And some things never are interfered with that should be. Hence...human misery. What are we really teaching one another? *Teach only love* Jerry Jampolsky ~A p.s. I am not unwilling sto say I am sick and heartbroken. What if Bod was just seeking the companionship of kindred spirits. What if those were her last days? I lived through that once already with my friend, Larry Epston. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > A doctor friend of mine told me that an > > elderly female patient of his recently > > committed suicide. She sat at the kitchen > > table and shot herself in the head. On > > the table she left a note addressed to no > > one in particular which said: > > > > " Please, excuse the mess. " > > > > Pete > > > > > The more that one understands that the self is not the doer....the > more one understands that the " others " are not the doer. > > ........and everything becomes perfectly appropriate. > > > > toombaru to don't be the doer..... a great spiritual subject... mostly welcome for fantastic ego-minded freaks.... who get excuses for behaving as stupid as they wish to...and then believing they weren't the doer.... lol Marc Ps: also irresponsible & ignorant beings love to use such illusion....in order to remain as ignorant as they ever have been....and ever will be.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 > > I have always enjoyed your company........but sometimes I am wounded > by your presence. > > > > > > love > > > > > toombaru P: Presence never wounds. What hurts is the attachment we feel to our opinions of how the world should be, and how it should behave toward us. When those expectations are abruptly shatter, there is hurt. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 > > The woundedness that we share makes us nothing.... but humans sharing... > > Some things happen without interference... some things happen because > we are the interference.... And some things never are interfered with > that should be. > > Hence...human misery. > > What are we really teaching one another? > > *Teach only love* Jerry Jampolsky > > ~A > > p.s. I am not unwilling sto say I am sick and heartbroken. What if > Bod was just seeking the companionship of kindred spirits. What if > those were her last days? P: What if my mother had said " no " to my father, that sure would have saved me a lot of hurt. And, of course, Bod would still be posting, and you wouldn't be sick and heartbroken. SO, to all future mothers, say " no " to pricks! No one is stopping Bod from posting, except Bob's hurt feelings. Those who talk tall, should feel short. Tall feelings are easily hurt, as you know well. > > I lived through that once already with my friend, Larry Epston. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > I have always enjoyed your company........but sometimes I am wounded > > by your presence. > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P: Presence never wounds. What hurts is > the attachment we feel to our opinions > of how the world should be, and how it > should behave toward us. When those > expectations are abruptly shattered, there > is hurt. > Agreed. Except we don't feel attachment....we ARE attachment. t. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I have always enjoyed your company........but sometimes I am wounded > > > by your presence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: Presence never wounds. What hurts is > > the attachment we feel to our opinions > > of how the world should be, and how it > > should behave toward us. When those > > expectations are abruptly shattered, there > > is hurt. > > > > > Agreed. > > > Except we don't feel attachment....we ARE attachment. > > > > t. P: Yes, two identical drops of water laying side by side and reflecting the same sky, and yet still do not reflect the exact same picture. The pictures are distorted by the curvature of drop. It's the surface tension between the water and the air that gives a drop its shape, when that tension is ruptured the water molecules spill out and run free, unable to reflect anything. It is the prison of shape that reflects meaning. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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