Guest guest Posted October 6, 2008 Report Share Posted October 6, 2008 Neti neti is not a process by which the imaginary self can improve its understanding. Slowly it dawns that the self could not be that which it experiences as being " out there " . " If I am not that......... " it wonders..... " What am I? " Most stop the inquiry when nothing is found. It's too damn disturbing. A few set their course for the far shore......hold on through the tempest........and enter the Emptiness. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > Neti neti is not a process by which the imaginary self can improve its > understanding. > > Slowly it dawns that the self could not be that which it experiences > as being " out there " . > > " If I am not that......... " it wonders..... " What am I? " > > Most stop the inquiry when nothing is found. > > It's too damn disturbing. > > A few set their course for the far shore......hold on through the > tempest........and enter the Emptiness. > > > > > toombaru > when appearent people try hard to show their fantastic " enlightenment " , love & compassion and other great illusions..... then often, the only answer to such bubbling machines is....neti neti .....it is not " this " !....and also not " that " ....and not... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain > wrote: > >> >> Neti neti is not a process by which the imaginary self can improve >> > its > >> understanding. >> >> Slowly it dawns that the self could not be that which it experiences >> as being " out there " . >> >> " If I am not that......... " it wonders..... " What am I? " >> >> Most stop the inquiry when nothing is found. >> >> It's too damn disturbing. >> >> A few set their course for the far shore......hold on through the >> tempest........and enter the Emptiness. >> >> >> >> >> toombaru >> >> > > > when appearent people try hard to show their > fantastic " enlightenment " , love & compassion and other great > illusions..... > > then often, the only answer to such bubbling machines is....neti neti > > ....it is not " this " !....and also not " that " ....and not... > > > Marc > > > > --- > > How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers explanation of the NDE experience. The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word but there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this word ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their claimed experiences? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > >> > >> Neti neti is not a process by which the imaginary self can improve > >> > > its > > > >> understanding. > >> > >> Slowly it dawns that the self could not be that which it experiences > >> as being " out there " . > >> > >> " If I am not that......... " it wonders..... " What am I? " > >> > >> Most stop the inquiry when nothing is found. > >> > >> It's too damn disturbing. > >> > >> A few set their course for the far shore......hold on through the > >> tempest........and enter the Emptiness. > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> toombaru > >> > >> > > > > > > when appearent people try hard to show their > > fantastic " enlightenment " , love & compassion and other great > > illusions..... > > > > then often, the only answer to such bubbling machines is....neti neti > > > > ....it is not " this " !....and also not " that " ....and not... > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the > knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? > > Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers > explanation of the NDE experience. > > The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the > death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word but > there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this word > ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " > > What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their > claimed experiences? > > > tyga it's partly proved that NDE are sometimes based on chemical reactions.......due to loosing oxygen in the brain as for example....... i think, most of NDE happen in hospitals.....means, in circomstances on which the body partly risc to die......due to accidents etc.... I think, such experiences happen for some special reason.....like everything happen for some reason. Personally, i don't give too much attention to NDE descriptions. Don't see any reason to give more attention to such NDE than to other issues. I heard that people who made such NDE are from that point on very much attached to it, to such NDE. Maybe they don't know and understand themself what is/was the meaning of such NDE. But they claim to get some attention to their NDE. Looks little bit like just ordinary people, who are attached to something.....nothing special.....in this case, attached to their NDE. ..... I believe that such experiences.....as the mentionned " unconditional love " can very well be experienced by everybody....at any time.....no need to reach (nearly) the end of life for such experiences. ...... Don't believe that there is " another world " somewhere " behind " .... The world itself is of illusion. What is real, in my opinion, is such infinite emptyness....peace. Our real nature. And also such mentionned " unconditionnel love " ....as a result of It. But unconditionnal love is of NO attachment. To love ALL....is only possible.....by having NO attachment to anything realy. Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 7, 2008 Report Share Posted October 7, 2008 > > > How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the > knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? > > Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers > explanation of the NDE experience. > > The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the > death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word but > there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this word > ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " > > What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their > claimed experiences? > > > tyga > The self is a dynamic tension-body that maintains its condition through a combination of fear and desire. It evolved because it helps the physical organism survive and reproduce. It functions only to seek......not to find. It is not designed to experience " unconditonal love " . It is not programmed to be happy but to look for its accumulated ideas of happiness. Very much like a wave....as it collapses back into its origin....the tension dissipates and something akin to bliss is experienced. This is the " sat-chit-ananda " of which the sages speak and is available only when the sense of self looses its opacity. This usually occurs at the death of the physical organism......but in a few....... ......well.....you know. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: >- > > > > > How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the > knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? > > Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers > explanation of the NDE experience. > > The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the > death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word but > there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this word > ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " > > What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their > claimed experiences? > > > tyga > A question: what constitutes a NDE? For me it was a series of *epiphanies*. The first one came after an LSD trip, when I felt everything *dying* yet I was *aware*. Each and every experience subsequent reinforced the awareness factor... transitions... transcendence... transmutation.... all a dropping, a shedding of accumulations and acquisitions...mental constructs of reality. Reality is ephemeral and luminous with deeper and deeper immersion into unconditional love, the mystery of which is my *life*. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 anabebe57 wrote: > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > >> - >> >>> >>> >> How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the >> knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? >> >> Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers >> explanation of the NDE experience. >> >> The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the >> death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word >> > but > >> there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this >> > word > >> ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " >> >> What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their >> claimed experiences? >> >> >> tyga >> >> > > > > A question: what constitutes a NDE? > > For me it was a series of *epiphanies*. The first one came > after an LSD trip, when I felt everything *dying* yet I > was *aware*. Each and every experience subsequent reinforced > the awareness factor... transitions... transcendence... > transmutation.... all a dropping, a shedding of accumulations > and acquisitions...mental constructs of reality. > > Reality is ephemeral and luminous with deeper and deeper > immersion into unconditional love, the mystery of which is > my *life*. > > ~A > > > --- > > Hi ~A I like the way you describe your experience/understanding, very poetic. Would you be willing to describe your NDE experiences in more detail? For myself, I believe that the NDE could be a kind of doorway/window into the " existence " beyond the death of the mind and body. I do really appreciate the lessons and knowledge provided for us by people such as Sri Nis, however I tend to believe that the practical experience of actually dying as with an NDE, would probably be a better evidence for what is after life than one gained while still alive, such as philosophical analysis. I could be mistaken of course. What are your opinions/thoughts on " unconditional love " and how it relates to the " neti neti " philosophy? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 toombaru2006 wrote: >>The self is a dynamic tension-body that maintains its condition > through a combination of fear and desire. > > It evolved because it helps the physical organism survive and > reproduce. > > It functions only to seek......not to find. > > It is not designed to experience " unconditonal love " . > > It is not programmed to be happy but to look for its accumulated ideas > of happiness. > > Very much like a wave....as it collapses back into its origin....the > tension dissipates and something akin to bliss is experienced. > > This is the " sat-chit-ananda " of which the sages speak and is > available only when the sense of self looses its opacity. > > This usually occurs at the death of the physical organism......but in > a few....... > > > .....well.....you know. toombaru > > > > Thanks for the explanation toombaru. I wonder if you could explain this " unconditional love " , what do you believe it is and how does it relate to our origins? The NDE'er for example, essentially describes this 'unconditional love' as the all encompassing essence, so to speak. I think the NDE'er actually believes this 'unconditional love' to be essentially the same thing as " God " . tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > anabebe57 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > >> - > >> > >>> > >>> > >> How would either of you explain the Near Death Experience and the > >> knowledge apparently gained from such an experience? > >> > >> Not having had an NDE myself, I can only really rely upon the NDE'ers > >> explanation of the NDE experience. > >> > >> The NDE'er frequently claims that beyond the death of the mind and the > >> death of the human condition, there exists ( not an appropriate word > >> > > but > > > >> there is no other word available ) a reality ( same again with this > >> > > word > > > >> ) which is essentially described as " unconditional love. " > >> > >> What are your thoughts on the NDE and the NDE descriptions of their > >> claimed experiences? > >> > >> > >> tyga > >> > >> > > > > > > > > A question: what constitutes a NDE? > > > > For me it was a series of *epiphanies*. The first one came > > after an LSD trip, when I felt everything *dying* yet I > > was *aware*. Each and every experience subsequent reinforced > > the awareness factor... transitions... transcendence... > > transmutation.... all a dropping, a shedding of accumulations > > and acquisitions...mental constructs of reality. > > > > Reality is ephemeral and luminous with deeper and deeper > > immersion into unconditional love, the mystery of which is > > my *life*. > > > > ~A > > > > > > --- > > > > > Hi ~A > > I like the way you describe your experience/understanding, very poetic. > Would you be willing to describe your NDE experiences in more detail? > > For myself, I believe that the NDE could be a kind of doorway/window > into the " existence " beyond the death of the mind and body. I do really > appreciate the lessons and knowledge provided for us by people such as > Sri Nis, however I tend to believe that the practical experience of > actually dying as with an NDE, would probably be a better evidence for > what is after life than one gained while still alive, such as > philosophical analysis. I could be mistaken of course. > > What are your opinions/thoughts on " unconditional love " and how it > relates to the " neti neti " philosophy? > > tyga > Thank you for your question tyga, helps me focus on the experiences which of course, are better described in hindsight (and in contextual and experiential knowledge which is crazy wisdom). For me, the search for enlightenment was in fact a desire to run away from my own life, as if it wasn't *good enough* and there was something that was much better *out there*. Once I realized that there is no such thing as *out there*, the veil of separation was removed. So what remained? Seeing my own inadequacies, cruelty and ignorance... accepting my *dark/shadow* side as it were. This probably was the longest part of my journey. It took over 2 years of morning walking/running meditation to sort that one out. Afterwards, I experienced unconditional love... one can see how that is inevitable... who's left not to love if one loves oneself without reservation? That's just a small part of a continuing story. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2008 Report Share Posted October 8, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > toombaru2006 wrote: > >>> > > > > > > > > > > > > The self is a dynamic tension-body that maintains its condition > > through a combination of fear and desire. > > > > It evolved because it helps the physical organism survive and > > reproduce. > > > > It functions only to seek......not to find. > > > > It is not designed to experience " unconditonal love " . > > > > It is not programmed to be happy but to look for its accumulated ideas > > of happiness. > > > > Very much like a wave....as it collapses back into its origin....the > > tension dissipates and something akin to bliss is experienced. > > > > This is the " sat-chit-ananda " of which the sages speak and is > > available only when the sense of self looses its opacity. > > > > This usually occurs at the death of the physical organism......but in > > a few....... > > > > > > .....well.....you know. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > Thanks for the explanation toombaru. > > I wonder if you could explain this " unconditional love " , what do you > believe it is and how does it relate to our origins? " Unconditional love " is merely the lack of tension that occurs when the sense of being confined to a separate, autonomous entity disappears. It is the naturalness of which Nisargadatta speaks. It is the area " outside the city " for Jan Cox. It is " heaven " or the Elesian Fields for those inclined to religiosity. It is not an experience of the self but occurs in the absence of self. When the bubble of self breaks.......consciousness spreads out into the delta-of-what-is....fear looses its function.....things loose their edges and the simple joy of being swims playfully through itself. One becomes its natural shape and knows that it is not different than that which it perceives......and the closest concept that comes to that experience is " unconditional love " . toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > it's partly proved that NDE are sometimes based on chemical > reactions.......due to loosing oxygen in the brain as for > example....... > > i think, most of NDE happen in hospitals.....means, in circomstances > on which the body partly risc to die......due to accidents etc.... > > I think, such experiences happen for some special reason.....like > everything happen for some reason. > > Personally, i don't give too much attention to NDE descriptions. > Don't see any reason to give more attention to such NDE than to other > issues. > > I heard that people who made such NDE are from that point on very > much attached to it, to such NDE. > Maybe they don't know and understand themself what is/was the meaning > of such NDE. > But they claim to get some attention to their NDE. > > Looks little bit like just ordinary people, who are attached to > something.....nothing special.....in this case, attached to their NDE. > > .... > > I believe that such experiences.....as the mentionned " unconditional > love " can very well be experienced by everybody....at any time.....no > need to reach (nearly) the end of life for such experiences. > > ..... > > Don't believe that there is " another world " somewhere " behind " .... > > The world itself is of illusion. > > What is real, in my opinion, is such infinite emptyness....peace. > Our real nature. > And also such mentionned " unconditionnel love " ....as a result of It. > > But unconditionnal love is of NO attachment. > > To love ALL....is only possible.....by having NO attachment to > anything realy. > > > Marc > Hi Marc, you make a few good points. Don't you think though that the NDE grants us with a direct glimpse into what may or may not be beyond the grave? What other experience do we have that provides such an inclusive experience? We could all sit around pondering what happens after we die for example, but we do not come any closer in having any certainty of whether or not our pondering holds any validity. I think at least, the NDE'er has actually died and been able to provide a direct experience of dying. Whether what they tell us is true or not does not provide any added certainty but it does provide some added evidence worth contemplating. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 anabebe57 wrote: >> >> > > > Thank you for your question tyga, helps me focus on the experiences > which of course, are better described in hindsight (and in contextual > and experiential knowledge which is crazy wisdom). > > For me, the search for enlightenment was in fact a desire to run away > from my own life, as if it wasn't *good enough* and there was > something that was much better *out there*. Once I realized that > there is no such thing as *out there*, the veil of separation was > removed. So what remained? Seeing my own inadequacies, cruelty and > ignorance... accepting my *dark/shadow* side as it were. This > probably was the longest part of my journey. It took over 2 years of > morning walking/running meditation to sort that one out. > > Afterwards, I experienced unconditional love... one can see how that > is inevitable... who's left not to love if one loves oneself without > reservation? > > That's just a small part of a continuing story. > > ~A > > > > > > --- > > I can relate to what you have said here, about running away from your own life, that you felt your life was not good enough, looking for a better life, an escape. You sound as if you might have had some well ingrained negative self perceptions or maybe you just felt that you were missing out on something better than what you already had? For myself, I can honestly admit that I was initially motivated to search for enlightenment by an intense desire to find a way out of how I was feeling. I was in a whole lot of pain and was looking for a cure. One search led to another and along the way I picked up a lot of knowledge. I'm glad that you found the " inward journey " a relatively quick journey, it took me quite a bit longer, probably about 15 years. Some take the short route I guess. I have listened to many NDE'ers over the past several years and most of them tend to speak in the same sort of fashion you have here. They do generally describe their journey as an " acceptance of what IS " and an desire to live as though they were the expression of " unconditional love " . I had an NDE friend that lives by a very simple moto: Forgive everyone of everything Love everyone and everything Resist nothing tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 toombaru2006 wrote: > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > >> toombaru2006 wrote: >> >>>>> >>>>> >>> >>> >>> >>> The self is a dynamic tension-body that maintains its condition >>> through a combination of fear and desire. >>> >>> It evolved because it helps the physical organism survive and >>> reproduce. >>> >>> It functions only to seek......not to find. >>> >>> It is not designed to experience " unconditonal love " . >>> >>> It is not programmed to be happy but to look for its accumulated ideas >>> of happiness. >>> >>> Very much like a wave....as it collapses back into its origin....the >>> tension dissipates and something akin to bliss is experienced. >>> >>> This is the " sat-chit-ananda " of which the sages speak and is >>> available only when the sense of self looses its opacity. >>> >>> This usually occurs at the death of the physical organism......but in >>> a few....... >>> >>> >>> .....well.....you know. >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> toombaru >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> >> Thanks for the explanation toombaru. >> >> I wonder if you could explain this " unconditional love " , what do you >> believe it is and how does it relate to our origins? >> > > > > > " Unconditional love " is merely the lack of tension that occurs when > the sense of being confined to a separate, autonomous entity disappears. > > It is the naturalness of which Nisargadatta speaks. > > It is the area " outside the city " for Jan Cox. > > It is " heaven " or the Elesian Fields for those inclined to religiosity. > > It is not an experience of the self but occurs in the absence of self. > > > When the bubble of self breaks.......consciousness spreads out into > the delta-of-what-is....fear looses its function.....things loose > their edges and the simple joy of being swims playfully through itself. > > > One becomes its natural shape and knows that it is not different than > that which it perceives......and the closest concept that comes to > that experience is " unconditional love " . > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > That sounds absolutely awesome toombaru. love, tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > it's partly proved that NDE are sometimes based on chemical > > reactions.......due to loosing oxygen in the brain as for > > example....... > > > > i think, most of NDE happen in hospitals.....means, in circomstances > > on which the body partly risc to die......due to accidents etc.... > > > > I think, such experiences happen for some special reason.....like > > everything happen for some reason. > > > > Personally, i don't give too much attention to NDE descriptions. > > Don't see any reason to give more attention to such NDE than to other > > issues. > > > > I heard that people who made such NDE are from that point on very > > much attached to it, to such NDE. > > Maybe they don't know and understand themself what is/was the meaning > > of such NDE. > > But they claim to get some attention to their NDE. > > > > Looks little bit like just ordinary people, who are attached to > > something.....nothing special.....in this case, attached to their NDE. > > > > .... > > > > I believe that such experiences.....as the mentionned " unconditional > > love " can very well be experienced by everybody....at any time.....no > > need to reach (nearly) the end of life for such experiences. > > > > ..... > > > > Don't believe that there is " another world " somewhere " behind " .... > > > > The world itself is of illusion. > > > > What is real, in my opinion, is such infinite emptyness....peace. > > Our real nature. > > And also such mentionned " unconditionnel love " ....as a result of It. > > > > But unconditionnal love is of NO attachment. > > > > To love ALL....is only possible.....by having NO attachment to > > anything realy. > > > > > > Marc > > > Hi Marc, you make a few good points. > > Don't you think though that the NDE grants us with a direct glimpse into > what may or may not be beyond the grave? What other experience do we > have that provides such an inclusive experience? We could all sit around > pondering what happens after we die for example, but we do not come any > closer in having any certainty of whether or not our pondering holds any > validity. I think at least, the NDE'er has actually died and been able > to provide a direct experience of dying. Whether what they tell us is > true or not does not provide any added certainty but it does provide > some added evidence worth contemplating. > > tyga I'm sure that everybody who practise regulary some meditation.....experience nearly same as NDE. have you ever meditated? The fact, that milliones of people all around the world got interested into meditation....and so started one day to practise meditation...... .....make NDE nothing realy special. With meditation, " you " can get It....at wish. After some time....life is being transformed.....the world is being transformed.....etc....and whole life become a meditative " state of mind " ..... A more interesting question would be.....: Why do people Love nice & fabulous stories.....reading & hearing from others.......why do people don't know & understand that It need only themself....their simple being......to find out everything......means, to get all one realy need......(to reach heaven).....here & now....? I think it's because they are too much used to live a dualistic life....and even after NDE stories.....or own NDE.....they remain dualistic......means, worldly. Marc Ps: NDE is nothing but worldly stuff.... forget about... > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > it's partly proved that NDE are sometimes based on chemical > > reactions.......due to loosing oxygen in the brain as for > > example....... > > > > i think, most of NDE happen in hospitals.....means, in circomstances > > on which the body partly risc to die......due to accidents etc.... > > > > I think, such experiences happen for some special reason.....like > > everything happen for some reason. > > > > Personally, i don't give too much attention to NDE descriptions. > > Don't see any reason to give more attention to such NDE than to other > > issues. > > > > I heard that people who made such NDE are from that point on very > > much attached to it, to such NDE. > > Maybe they don't know and understand themself what is/was the meaning > > of such NDE. > > But they claim to get some attention to their NDE. > > > > Looks little bit like just ordinary people, who are attached to > > something.....nothing special.....in this case, attached to their NDE. > > > > .... > > > > I believe that such experiences.....as the mentionned " unconditional > > love " can very well be experienced by everybody....at any time.....no > > need to reach (nearly) the end of life for such experiences. > > > > ..... > > > > Don't believe that there is " another world " somewhere " behind " .... > > > > The world itself is of illusion. > > > > What is real, in my opinion, is such infinite emptyness....peace. > > Our real nature. > > And also such mentionned " unconditionnel love " ....as a result of It. > > > > But unconditionnal love is of NO attachment. > > > > To love ALL....is only possible.....by having NO attachment to > > anything realy. > > > > > > Marc > > > Hi Marc, you make a few good points. > > Don't you think though that the NDE grants us with a direct glimpse into > what may or may not be beyond the grave? What other experience do we > have that provides such an inclusive experience? We could all sit around > pondering what happens after we die for example, but we do not come any > closer in having any certainty of whether or not our pondering holds any > validity. I think at least, the NDE'er has actually died and been able > to provide a direct experience of dying. Whether what they tell us is > true or not does not provide any added certainty but it does provide > some added evidence worth contemplating. > > tyga > In the river a whirlpool emerges........swirls on the surface....and then collapses back into the flow. In the desert.....when circumstances are just so.......a whirlwind dances in the sun......when its momentum collapses.....the debris it carried drops to the ground..... It's like that. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2008 Report Share Posted October 9, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > it's partly proved that NDE are sometimes based on chemical > > > reactions.......due to loosing oxygen in the brain as for > > > example....... > > > > > > i think, most of NDE happen in hospitals.....means, in circomstances > > > on which the body partly risc to die......due to accidents etc.... > > > > > > I think, such experiences happen for some special reason.....like > > > everything happen for some reason. > > > > > > Personally, i don't give too much attention to NDE descriptions. > > > Don't see any reason to give more attention to such NDE than to other > > > issues. > > > > > > I heard that people who made such NDE are from that point on very > > > much attached to it, to such NDE. > > > Maybe they don't know and understand themself what is/was the meaning > > > of such NDE. > > > But they claim to get some attention to their NDE. > > > > > > Looks little bit like just ordinary people, who are attached to > > > something.....nothing special.....in this case, attached to their NDE. > > > > > > .... > > > > > > I believe that such experiences.....as the mentionned " unconditional > > > love " can very well be experienced by everybody....at any time.....no > > > need to reach (nearly) the end of life for such experiences. > > > > > > ..... > > > > > > Don't believe that there is " another world " somewhere " behind " .... > > > > > > The world itself is of illusion. > > > > > > What is real, in my opinion, is such infinite emptyness....peace. > > > Our real nature. > > > And also such mentionned " unconditionnel love " ....as a result of It. > > > > > > But unconditionnal love is of NO attachment. > > > > > > To love ALL....is only possible.....by having NO attachment to > > > anything realy. > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Hi Marc, you make a few good points. > > > > Don't you think though that the NDE grants us with a direct glimpse > into > > what may or may not be beyond the grave? What other experience do we > > have that provides such an inclusive experience? We could all sit > around > > pondering what happens after we die for example, but we do not come any > > closer in having any certainty of whether or not our pondering holds > any > > validity. I think at least, the NDE'er has actually died and been able > > to provide a direct experience of dying. Whether what they tell us is > > true or not does not provide any added certainty but it does provide > > some added evidence worth contemplating. > > > > tyga > > > > > > In the river a whirlpool emerges........swirls on the surface....and > then collapses back into the flow. > > In the desert.....when circumstances are just so.......a whirlwind > dances in the sun......when its momentum collapses.....the debris it > carried drops to the ground..... > > > It's like that. > > > > > > ......except the whirlwind is composed of nothing but concepts....... toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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