Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. There is nothing to hold on to. As the sense of home shifts from the past to the present.....personal identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that which flows. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the present.....personal > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that which > flows. 1) There is no personal identity because there also is no impersonal identity. 2) Identiy, personal or impersonal , can never be the observer, simply because there exists no observer. There is only the observed. The emotional quality caused by the observed is what is called identitfication. If no emotion is caused by the observed then there is no identification. Werner > > > > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the > > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. > > > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the > present.....personal > > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that > which > > flows. > > > 1) There is no personal identity because there also is no impersonal > identity. There is no shadow........and yet there is. > > 2) Identiy, personal or impersonal , can never be the observer, > simply because there exists no observer. There is only the observed. There is the appearance of an observer and the resulting fear and suffering. There is the dream of separation and there is the realization of its ultimate vacuity. There is the conceptual overlay.....and there is that out of which it emerges. There is the friction of duality and there is the bliss of the flowing...... .....and all of it...is who you are. > > The emotional quality caused by the observed is what is called > identitfication. If no emotion is caused by the observed then there > is no identification. I am is the door into the dream.....and the door out. The sun evaporates that which appeared as the shadow. toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the > > > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. > > > > > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > > > > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > > > > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the > > present.....personal > > > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that > > which > > > flows. > > > > > > 1) There is no personal identity because there also is no impersonal > > identity. > > > > > There is no shadow........and yet there is. > > > > > > > > > 2) Identiy, personal or impersonal , can never be the observer, > > simply because there exists no observer. There is only the observed. > > > > > > There is the appearance of an observer and the resulting fear and > suffering. > > There is the dream of separation and there is the realization of its > ultimate vacuity. > > There is the conceptual overlay.....and there is that out of which it > emerges. > > There is the friction of duality and there is the bliss of the > flowing...... > > ....and all of it...is who you are. > > > > > The emotional quality caused by the observed is what is called > > identitfication. If no emotion is caused by the observed then there > > is no identification. > > I am is the door into the dream.....and the door out. > > The sun evaporates that which appeared as the shadow. > > > toombaru > > Come on, Toomb, Start to read my post anew again, it is not that difficult to understand and to accept what I wrote. Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the present.....personal > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that which > flows. > > > > > toombaru > After reading Hermann Hesse's Siddharta I always dreamed and wanted to live along the shores of a river and 'listen' to what the stream could teach me. An untameable rush of adrenaline arrested my romantic desires at the time. The veins in ones body are terrific surrogates tho. What's more....it comes with a back-beat!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always the > > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the flowing. > > > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the > present.....personal > > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes that > which > > flows. > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > After reading Hermann Hesse's Siddharta I always dreamed and wanted > to live along the shores of a river and 'listen' to what the stream > could teach me. An untameable rush of adrenaline arrested my romantic > desires at the time. > > The veins in ones body are terrific surrogates tho. What's more....it > comes with a back-beat!! > This is wonderful. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If one lives by the river long enough.........there is always > the > > > > chance that their homestead will break loose and enter the > flowing. > > > > > > > > At first the frictionless movement is confusing and frightening. > > > > > > > > There is nothing to hold on to. > > > > > > > > As the sense of home shifts from the past to the > > > present.....personal > > > > identity no longer is the observer and one actually becomes > that > > > which > > > > flows. > > > > > > > > > 1) There is no personal identity because there also is no > impersonal > > > identity. > > > > > > > > > > There is no shadow........and yet there is. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) Identiy, personal or impersonal , can never be the observer, > > > simply because there exists no observer. There is only the > observed. > > > > > > > > > > > > There is the appearance of an observer and the resulting fear and > > suffering. > > > > There is the dream of separation and there is the realization of its > > ultimate vacuity. > > > > There is the conceptual overlay.....and there is that out of which > it > > emerges. > > > > There is the friction of duality and there is the bliss of the > > flowing...... > > > > ....and all of it...is who you are. > > > > > > > > The emotional quality caused by the observed is what is called > > > identitfication. If no emotion is caused by the observed then > there > > > is no identification. > > > > I am is the door into the dream.....and the door out. > > > > The sun evaporates that which appeared as the shadow. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > Come on, Toomb, > > Start to read my post anew again, it is not that difficult to > understand and to accept what I wrote. > > Werner > I am a mirror that can only see itself. I am a closed loop. I have no idea what you are trying to say. Nor can I ever. I no longer imagine that you are outside of me. My focus now is not trying to understand you. I am exploring the vastness of who I am....and you are part of that. I listen to what you say.......and swim within that for a while...... I am not trying to convince you of anything. I enjoy you the way you are. You help me explore the labyrinth of being. To me.......you are a character in this most mysterious dream that I am having......alone. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > I am a mirror that can only see itself. > > I am a closed loop. > > I have no idea what you are trying to say. > > Nor can I ever. > > I no longer imagine that you are outside of me. > > My focus now is not trying to understand you. > > I am exploring the vastness of who I am....and you are part of that. > > I listen to what you say.......and swim within that for a while...... > > I am not trying to convince you of anything. > > I enjoy you the way you are. > > You help me explore the labyrinth of being. > > To me.......you are a character in this most mysterious dream that I > am having......alone. > > > toombaru > If this I you're writing about is an expressing of your longing, than...you may have some more struggle ahaed of you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > <lastrain@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > I am a mirror that can only see itself. > > > > I am a closed loop. > > > > I have no idea what you are trying to say. > > > > Nor can I ever. > > > > I no longer imagine that you are outside of me. > > > > My focus now is not trying to understand you. > > > > I am exploring the vastness of who I am....and you are part of that. > > > > I listen to what you say.......and swim within that for a > while...... > > > > I am not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > I enjoy you the way you are. > > > > You help me explore the labyrinth of being. > > > > To me.......you are a character in this most mysterious dream that I > > am having......alone. > > > > > > toombaru > > > > If this I you're writing about is an expressing of your longing, > than...you may have some more struggle ahead of you. > The desire to avoid struggle is the greatest struggle of all. Life is struggle. But it doesn't last all that long. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 13, 2008 Report Share Posted October 13, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am a mirror that can only see itself. > > > > > > I am a closed loop. > > > > > > I have no idea what you are trying to say. > > > > > > Nor can I ever. > > > > > > I no longer imagine that you are outside of me. > > > > > > My focus now is not trying to understand you. > > > > > > I am exploring the vastness of who I am....and you are part of that. > > > > > > I listen to what you say.......and swim within that for a > > while...... > > > > > > I am not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > > > I enjoy you the way you are. > > > > > > You help me explore the labyrinth of being. > > > > > > To me.......you are a character in this most mysterious dream that I > > > am having......alone. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > If this I you're writing about is an expressing of your longing, > > than...you may have some more struggle ahead of you. > > > > > > The desire to avoid struggle is the greatest struggle of all. > > Life is struggle. > > But it doesn't last all that long. > > > > toombaru > Many years ago a woman who lived her whole life in a wheelchair gave a talk to a woman's group. I determined at that time that if she could speak about life in terms of joy and accomplishment then the struggle that is life is a gift. Sometimes I tend to forget it; fortunately I return to love and gratitude soon enough. It could (always) be verse. ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 14, 2008 Report Share Posted October 14, 2008 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " johanhb " <yohansky@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " > > <lastrain@> > > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > I am a mirror that can only see itself. > > > > > > I am a closed loop. > > > > > > I have no idea what you are trying to say. > > > > > > Nor can I ever. > > > > > > I no longer imagine that you are outside of me. > > > > > > My focus now is not trying to understand you. > > > > > > I am exploring the vastness of who I am....and you are part of that. > > > > > > I listen to what you say.......and swim within that for a > > while...... > > > > > > I am not trying to convince you of anything. > > > > > > I enjoy you the way you are. > > > > > > You help me explore the labyrinth of being. > > > > > > To me.......you are a character in this most mysterious dream that I > > > am having......alone. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > If this I you're writing about is an expressing of your longing, > > than...you may have some more struggle ahead of you. > > > > > > The desire to avoid struggle is the greatest struggle of all. > > Life is struggle. > > But it doesn't last all that long. > > > > toombaru > I wasn't refering to having a desire avoiding the struggle, anyway... 'the struggle'...it brought us here...funny. Not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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