Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 In a message dated 10/22/2008 12:29:09 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, billeast writes: 10-22-08 – Post Is this a case of mistaken identity? To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken identity? Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non-conceptual awareness? Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I that which is before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space-like awareness? So.....what's the question again? Hehe. Serially, the first thing that pops into me head is, how long might it take to empty yourself of all of that completely? I just now made up a new technique, and we'll call it the CNS method. (Can't know sh*t) Just talkin to myself here cause I have no idea where you are with this. If you follow thoughts back to their origin, you'll see that they all fall into the nothingness. IOW, they're all made up, imagination, don't mean nuthin, don't reference anything real. That's why we have to make up things in pairs, like light/dark, cause we need something to define our made up ideas and the opposites do that for us. Since thoughts aren't separate from experience, we get to also sense what light and dark are like, but they're still made up. If everything is made up, what can any of it possibly say about what's prior to thought? And what could there possibly be prior to thought that we could even think about? Enlightened woo woo gurus don't know anything about Truth because there's nothing to know. When they talk about it, they're making stuff up that sorta kinda points in that direction but not really and usually points away from it. The guru does not know what he is and he doesn't know how or why experience unfolds. You can say it remains a mystery or you can say nothing is known because there's nothing to know. The whole point of looking at any of this is to notice what isn't so. Nothing you can think, feel or sense with your senses is so. All you can know is that you exist. Throw everything else out the window and what's left? Way too simple and we ain't havin none of it. New MapQuest Local shows what's happening at your destination. Dining, Movies, Events, News more. Try it out! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 10-22-08 – Post Is this a case of mistaken identity? To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken identity? Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non- conceptual awareness? Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I that which is before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space-like awareness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , " billeastmusic " <billeast wrote: > > 10-22-08 – Post > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, > arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the > untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false > assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory > belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the > fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of > being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the > power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, > grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, > anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken > identity? > > Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything > appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after > all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always > here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a > second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and > always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, > names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, > essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non- > conceptual awareness? > > Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, > challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into > this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, > reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but > only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As > awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, > labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I > that which is before, during and after all sensations, all > appearances, all transient things? > > Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, No, you are not, because there is no such a thing as cognizing emptiness. Cognition alway is recognition which presupposes memory. And memory definitely is not emptiness. Or is it ? Werner > the wide open space, > the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet > potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, > true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence > awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space- like > awareness? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , " billeastmusic " <billeast wrote: > > 10-22-08 – Post > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, > arising and passing away? to whoever " you " imagine to be to the imagination of a " you " .... to an imaginary " you " there is nobody else beside this " your " fiction and fantasy Is there still identification with the > untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false > assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory > belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the > fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of > being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the > power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, > grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, > anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken > identity? > > Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything > appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after > all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always > here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a > second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and > always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, > names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, > essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non- > conceptual awareness? > > Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, > challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into > this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, > reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but > only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As > awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, > labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I > that which is before, during and after all sensations, all > appearances, all transient things? > > Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, > the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet > potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, > true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence > awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space- like > awareness? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , " billeastmusic " <billeast wrote: > > 10-22-08 – Post > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, > arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the > untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false > assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory > belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the > fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of > being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the > power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, > grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, > anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken > identity? > > Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything > appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after > all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always > here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a > second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and > always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, > names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, > essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non- > conceptual awareness? > > Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, > challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into > this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, > reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but > only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As > awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, > labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I > that which is before, during and after all sensations, all > appearances, all transient things? > > Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, > the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet > potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, > true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence > awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space- like > awareness? > Few people put all the above in one question; " Who Am I " ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Hello, What is it you're actually saying? Can you be more precise? James From: billeastDate: Wed, 22 Oct 2008 07:25:37 +0000 Is this a case of mistaken identity? 10-22-08 – Post Is this a case of mistaken identity? To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken identity? Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non-conceptual awareness? Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I that which is before, during and after all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space-like awareness? Get the best wallpapers on the Web – FREE. Click here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Dear Bill, The short answer to your question in your final paragraph, in my opinion is 'Yes, in Reality', according to the teachings of Ramana Maharshi. All best wishes, Alan --- On Wed, 22/10/08, billeastmusic <billeast wrote: > billeastmusic <billeast > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > Wednesday, 22 October, 2008, 8:25 AM > 10-22-08 – Post > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, > arising and passing away? Is there still identification > with the > untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the > false > assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, > delusory > belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the > memory, the > fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal > image of > being a separate independent I me entity, individual, > person with the > power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, > get, gain, > grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become > something, > anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of > mistaken > identity? > > Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does > everything > appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during > and after > all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What > is always > here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one > without a > second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I > already and > always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, > labels, > names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, > fantasies, > images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my > true, > essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, > non- > conceptual awareness? > > Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, > challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep > looking into > this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, > person, > reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers > to, but > only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing > within? As > awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, > words, > labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, > ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, > fantasies, > images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient > things? Am I > that which is before, during and after all sensations, all > appearances, all transient things? > > Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide > open space, > the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, > yet > potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, > actual, real, > true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, > existence > awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, > space-like > awareness? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 22, 2008 Report Share Posted October 22, 2008 Thank you for these beautiful words, so clearly pointing to the truth of who we are. Namaste, Soul , " billeastmusic " <billeast wrote: > > 10-22-08 – Post > Is this a case of mistaken identity? > > To whom is everything coming and going, appearing and disappearing, > arising and passing away? Is there still identification with the > untrue thought, the erroneous concept, the wrong idea, the false > assumption, the fallacious, invalid, misleading, deceiving, delusory > belief, the fictitious story, the running commentary, the memory, the > fantasy, the, imaginary, fictional, illusory, empty, unreal image of > being a separate independent I me entity, individual, person with the > power to create, change, choose, control, achieve, attain, get, gain, > grasp, want, need, require, desire, own, do, be or become something, > anything, as who I am, as what I am? Is this a case of mistaken > identity? > > Who is aware of everything coming and going, appearing and > disappearing, arising and passing away? To whom does everything > appear? What is actually here? What is here before, during and after > all sensations, all appearances, all transient things? What is always > here? Is my true, essential, real nature, non-dual, one without a > second, non-conceptual awareness always here? Is what I already and > always am, before, during and after all thoughts, words, labels, > names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, sensations, appearances, transient things? Is my true, > essential, real identity, non-dual, one without a second, non- > conceptual awareness? > > Does the investigation, exploration, inquiry, questioning, > challenging, seeking, examining, close looking, deep looking into > this apparent separate independent I me entity, individual, person, > reveal, expose, prove that there is no one the I me refers to, but > only the awareness that the I me thought is appearing within? As > awareness, am I here before, during and after all thoughts, words, > labels, names, symbols, translations in language, concepts, ideas, > assumptions, beliefs, stories, commentary, memories, fantasies, > images, imagination, sensations, appearances, transient things? Am I > that which is before, during and after all sensations, all > appearances, all transient things? > > Am I the clear opening, the cognizing emptiness, the wide open space, > the aware no-thing-ness, the spaciousness, the formless, yet > potentiality and capacity for all forms, the absolute, actual, real, > true, non-dual, one without a second being awareness, existence > awareness, presence awareness, non-conceptual, undeniable, space- like > awareness? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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