Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 In a message dated 29/10/2008 10:47:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie6 writes: Perception without identificationis luminous, a blessing beyondcomparison, and how eager isthe self to take credit, and to enjoyhis own absence! It rushes backto see, but only sees through theshadow it casts.Then, as in here, it remembersand writes a few lines, and feelsvery advanced doing so.There is an obvious othernessto seeing "what is". All the verbaltricks of selfhood can't hidethat otherness. The self claimsin vain to be the Self. Selfhoodis the fencing of the landscape,my little farm masquerading asthe sea of grass which is the plain.There is an otherness that seesconsciousness, but it is not a self,nor has a name, nor care to knowitself. And yet, it is the gloriousintensity of perceiving without self.http://cerosoul.wordpress.comhttp://awakefiction.wordpress.comPete I would agree but I know how you hate when I say that.Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Perception without identification is luminous, a blessing beyond comparison, and how eager is the self to take credit, and to enjoy his own absence! It rushes back to see, but only sees through the shadow it casts. Then, as in here, it remembers and writes a few lines, and feels very advanced doing so. There is an obvious otherness to seeing " what is " . All the verbal tricks of selfhood can't hide that otherness. The self claims in vain to be the Self. Selfhood is the fencing of the landscape, my little farm masquerading as the sea of grass which is the plain. There is an otherness that sees consciousness, but it is not a self, nor has a name, nor care to know itself. And yet, it is the glorious intensity of perceiving without self. http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 29, 2008 Report Share Posted October 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 29/10/2008 10:47:02 AM Pacific Daylight Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > Perception without identification > is luminous, a blessing beyond > comparison, and how eager is > the self to take credit, and to enjoy > his own absence! It rushes back > to see, but only sees through the > shadow it casts. > > Then, as in here, it remembers > and writes a few lines, and feels > very advanced doing so. > > There is an obvious otherness > to seeing " what is " . All the verbal > tricks of selfhood can't hide > that otherness. The self claims > in vain to be the Self. Selfhood > is the fencing of the landscape, > my little farm masquerading as > the sea of grass which is the plain. > > There is an otherness that sees > consciousness, but it is not a self, > nor has a name, nor care to know > itself. And yet, it is the glorious > intensity of perceiving without self. > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > Pete > > > > I would agree but I know how you hate when I say that. P:It's OK. I know you mean it, this time. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 30, 2008 Report Share Posted October 30, 2008 In a message dated 10/30/2008 10:32:48 A.M. Pacific Daylight Time, pedsie6 writes: P: Yes, You're right, it's the universe as the body which seesitself as an otherness. But, intellectually, for the benefitof seekers it can be deconstructed, thus:Both, body and universe are made of matter. Matteris made of quarks. Quarks are made of an unknownX which manifests itself as the Universe. So, otherness is the unknown.There are other ways to deconstruct, Greg, for exampleprefers this:Awareness is not PersonalAwareness isn't inside the person. Awareness, which is not physical, cannottherefore be physically limited to a spherical balloon inside the skull. It'sthe other way around. The skin, muscles, bones, sensations, emotions andthoughts are arisings in awareness. If you grok the possibility of this, thenthe stage opens infinitely wide.Having grokked this, you also won't hang up on the snag of solipsism, which is avery different thing. Solipsism says "I am the only mind - I can't prove thatothers exist." But notice what it assumes. It assumes that minds are real, andgoes from there. It personalizes awareness. But your inquiry undercuts thisassumption because you are looking at a much deeper level. Solipsism won't be aproblem for you. The locus of the "I" is much farther back. How far back? Allthe way!!--Greg Goodehttp://www.heartofnow.comP: I prefer the former because to name the unknownawareness seems confusing to me since awareness andconsciousness are synonyms. Spanish and German haveno word for awareness. In any case, once deconstructedall explanations become moot. The difficulty with the quark idea is that it assumes an objective reality and simply says, it's of unknown origin. You still have physicality and an apparent source, and some vague notion that it's the 'unknown source' that's actually aware of all this. In seeing that physicality arises in 'something' nonphysical, you've effectively done away with the object which never becomes other than the 'something' itself, and all that remains is the subject aware of it's own arisings. We can throw away the notion that physicality is somehow imbued with it's source, because there is nothing apart from it for the source to enter or 'dwell'. The arising, itself, IS the source. The dream analogy can be helpful here. Instead of insisting there are mysterious object happenings that are somehow more real than your thoughts about them or your perception of them, everything becomes a story unfolding and has no special reality simply because the story is believed. As an unfolding story, there is no need to assume the reality of time, space, or the objects that seem to inhabit them, or the science that writes increasingly more detailed stories about it. Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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