Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 In a message dated 02/11/2008 7:53:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: Religious orthodoxy given the choicewhether to be moral or kind, alwayschooses the integrity of theirmoral values, over kindness and reason.In California, they are trying tooverthrow the right of gays to marry,and they are opposing a measure tosentence drug users to undertaketreatment, rather than to serve jail time.Most Christians pro lifers are supporterof the death penalty. They see noinconsistency in this.Their token kindness to those in deathrow is to offer a last meal, and a chatwith a priest before execution.I confess, I wouldn't have much of anappetite, if I were facing death in afew hours. I'm sure many convicts wouldrather have a bottle of liquor, or theirdrug of choice, or sex rather than food.But Christian morality cannot allow that,no matter how much better it would be incalming fears than tenderloin. The lawrequires the criminal to be lucid, andsane at his execution. An inmate wentmad while waiting execution, and theprison's authorities were advertising fora physician to make him rational enoughto be killed. No doctor would take the jobso the man is still in death row, as far asI know. The whole thing is insane.I wonder what Christ would say aboutChristian morality?I'd pick compassion over integrity any day. ****I'm also in favor of kidness. Ahhh, the joyful wonder and playful innocence. ~Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 In a message dated 02/11/2008 11:14:56 AM Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes: souldreamone wrote:> In a message dated 02/11/2008 7:53:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > pedsie6 writes:>> Religious orthodoxy given the choice> whether to be moral or kind, always> chooses the integrity of their> moral values, over kindness and reason.>> In California, they are trying to> overthrow the right of gays to marry,> and they are opposing a measure to> sentence drug users to undertake> treatment, rather than to serve jail time.>> Most Christians pro lifers are supporter> of the death penalty. They see no> inconsistency in this.>> Their token kindness to those in death> row is to offer a last meal, and a chat> with a priest before execution.>> I confess, I wouldn't have much of an> appetite, if I were facing death in a> few hours. I'm sure many convicts would> rather have a bottle of liquor, or their> drug of choice, or sex rather than food.>> But Christian morality cannot allow that,> no matter how much better it would be in> calming fears than tenderloin. The law> requires the criminal to be lucid, and> sane at his execution. An inmate went> mad while waiting execution, and the> prison's authorities were advertising for> a physician to make him rational enough> to be killed. No doctor would take the job> so the man is still in death row, as far as> I know. The whole thing is insane.>> I wonder what Christ would say about> Christian morality?>> I'd pick compassion over integrity any day.>> ****I'm also in favor of kidness. Ahhh, the joyful wonder and playful > innocence. ~>Christianity is a death cult which finds its expression in the crucifixion, an horrendous form of torture and execution devised by the Romans in order to send fear through their enemies. The point is, Christians are wired to believe that human sacrifice is not only necessary but also holy. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to understand how they can easily transfer this state of mind onto other areas, such as execution of criminals. Execution could then be perceived as a holy cleansing, I suppose.When Jesus forgave the criminal on the cross next to him, he didn't then enable that criminal to be released from the cross, his reward was in death, the after life. I think you can see where this is going.Religions such as Christianity, are rife with inconsistencies but what really makes it dangerous, is its irrationality rather than its integrity. If religion had integrity, it would be willing to reject its irrationality, and that really would be kind.tyga Yes, I believe perhaps no religion would survive the scrutiny of their own integrity.Plan your next getaway with AOL Travel. Check out Today's Hot 5 Travel Deals! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Religious orthodoxy given the choice whether to be moral or kind, always chooses the integrity of their moral values, over kindness and reason. In California, they are trying to overthrow the right of gays to marry, and they are opposing a measure to sentence drug users to undertake treatment, rather than to serve jail time. Most Christians pro lifers are supporter of the death penalty. They see no inconsistency in this. Their token kindness to those in death row is to offer a last meal, and a chat with a priest before execution. I confess, I wouldn't have much of an appetite, if I were facing death in a few hours. I'm sure many convicts would rather have a bottle of liquor, or their drug of choice, or sex rather than food. But Christian morality cannot allow that, no matter how much better it would be in calming fears than tenderloin. The law requires the criminal to be lucid, and sane at his execution. An inmate went mad while waiting execution, and the prison's authorities were advertising for a physician to make him rational enough to be killed. No doctor would take the job so the man is still in death row, as far as I know. The whole thing is insane. I wonder what Christ would say about Christian morality? I'd pick compassion over integrity any day. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Religious orthodoxy given the choice > whether to be moral or kind, always > chooses the integrity of their > moral values, over kindness and reason. > > In California, they are trying to > overthrow the right of gays to marry, > and they are opposing a measure to > sentence drug users to undertake > treatment, rather than to serve jail time. > > Most Christians pro lifers are supporter > of the death penalty. They see no > inconsistency in this. > > Their token kindness to those in death > row is to offer a last meal, and a chat > with a priest before execution. > > I confess, I wouldn't have much of an > appetite, if I were facing death in a > few hours. I'm sure many convicts would > rather have a bottle of liquor, or their > drug of choice, or sex rather than food. > > But Christian morality cannot allow that, > no matter how much better it would be in > calming fears than tenderloin. The law > requires the criminal to be lucid, and > sane at his execution. An inmate went > mad while waiting execution, and the > prison's authorities were advertising for > a physician to make him rational enough > to be killed. No doctor would take the job > so the man is still in death row, as far as > I know. The whole thing is insane. > > I wonder what Christ would say about > Christian morality? He would try to cast the demons out of it. > > I'd pick compassion over integrity any day. > Pick anything......and the dream open its arms and enfolds you and like some narcoleptic puppy, you collapse. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 souldreamone wrote: > In a message dated 02/11/2008 7:53:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > Religious orthodoxy given the choice > whether to be moral or kind, always > chooses the integrity of their > moral values, over kindness and reason. > > In California, they are trying to > overthrow the right of gays to marry, > and they are opposing a measure to > sentence drug users to undertake > treatment, rather than to serve jail time. > > Most Christians pro lifers are supporter > of the death penalty. They see no > inconsistency in this. > > Their token kindness to those in death > row is to offer a last meal, and a chat > with a priest before execution. > > I confess, I wouldn't have much of an > appetite, if I were facing death in a > few hours. I'm sure many convicts would > rather have a bottle of liquor, or their > drug of choice, or sex rather than food. > > But Christian morality cannot allow that, > no matter how much better it would be in > calming fears than tenderloin. The law > requires the criminal to be lucid, and > sane at his execution. An inmate went > mad while waiting execution, and the > prison's authorities were advertising for > a physician to make him rational enough > to be killed. No doctor would take the job > so the man is still in death row, as far as > I know. The whole thing is insane. > > I wonder what Christ would say about > Christian morality? > > I'd pick compassion over integrity any day. > > ****I'm also in favor of kidness. Ahhh, the joyful wonder and playful > innocence. ~ > Christianity is a death cult which finds its expression in the crucifixion, an horrendous form of torture and execution devised by the Romans in order to send fear through their enemies. The point is, Christians are wired to believe that human sacrifice is not only necessary but also holy. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to understand how they can easily transfer this state of mind onto other areas, such as execution of criminals. Execution could then be perceived as a holy cleansing, I suppose. When Jesus forgave the criminal on the cross next to him, he didn't then enable that criminal to be released from the cross, his reward was in death, the after life. I think you can see where this is going. Religions such as Christianity, are rife with inconsistencies but what really makes it dangerous, is its irrationality rather than its integrity. If religion had integrity, it would be willing to reject its irrationality, and that really would be kind. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 2, 2008 Report Share Posted November 2, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > souldreamone wrote: > > In a message dated 02/11/2008 7:53:10 AM Pacific Standard Time, > > pedsie6 writes: > > > > Religious orthodoxy given the choice > > whether to be moral or kind, always > > chooses the integrity of their > > moral values, over kindness and reason. > > > > In California, they are trying to > > overthrow the right of gays to marry, > > and they are opposing a measure to > > sentence drug users to undertake > > treatment, rather than to serve jail time. > > > > Most Christians pro lifers are supporter > > of the death penalty. They see no > > inconsistency in this. > > > > Their token kindness to those in death > > row is to offer a last meal, and a chat > > with a priest before execution. > > > > I confess, I wouldn't have much of an > > appetite, if I were facing death in a > > few hours. I'm sure many convicts would > > rather have a bottle of liquor, or their > > drug of choice, or sex rather than food. > > > > But Christian morality cannot allow that, > > no matter how much better it would be in > > calming fears than tenderloin. The law > > requires the criminal to be lucid, and > > sane at his execution. An inmate went > > mad while waiting execution, and the > > prison's authorities were advertising for > > a physician to make him rational enough > > to be killed. No doctor would take the job > > so the man is still in death row, as far as > > I know. The whole thing is insane. > > > > I wonder what Christ would say about > > Christian morality? > > > > I'd pick compassion over integrity any day. > > > > ****I'm also in favor of kidness. Ahhh, the joyful wonder and playful > > innocence. ~ > > > Christianity is a death cult which finds its expression in the > crucifixion, an horrendous form of torture and execution devised by the > Romans in order to send fear through their enemies. The point is, > Christians are wired to believe that human sacrifice is not only > necessary but also holy. It doesn't take a huge leap of faith to > understand how they can easily transfer this state of mind onto other > areas, such as execution of criminals. Execution could then be perceived > as a holy cleansing, I suppose. > > When Jesus forgave the criminal on the cross next to him, he didn't then > enable that criminal to be released from the cross, his reward was in > death, the after life. I think you can see where this is going. > > Religions such as Christianity, are rife with inconsistencies but what > really makes it dangerous, is its irrationality rather than its > integrity. If religion had integrity, it would be willing to reject its > irrationality, and that really would be kind. > > > tyga > Religion...........all religion........is an extension of self. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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