Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > ------------------------------ > > > Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do > anything, I > > > didn't say I don't choose to do anything. > > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > So what makes you a seeker tyga? > > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to > find/become? > > > good question > > maybe he don't know what he hope to find/become > > Marc One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must have absolutely set clearly the goal ... Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > ------------------------------ > > > > Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do > > anything, I > > > > didn't say I don't choose to do anything. > > > > > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > So what makes you a seeker tyga? > > > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to > > find/become? > > > > > > good question > > > > maybe he don't know what he hope to find/become > > > > Marc > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must > have absolutely set clearly the goal ... > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. yes, we are at war here! where else?! Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:19:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ericparoissien writes: One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruinshis life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one musthave absolutely set clearly the goal ...Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. ***I tend to agree. There must be a single pointedness, a desperation even, which is why 'I'm just here to have fun and see what happens' will never result in even the most obvious clarity. Have you ever read Jed McKenna? AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Eric Paroissien wrote: > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must > have absolutely set clearly the goal ... > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. > > > --- > > Hi Eric, I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey? thanks, tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Eric Paroissien wrote: > > > > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ... > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. > > > > > > --- > > > > > Hi Eric, > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey? > > thanks, > > tyga A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes, 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or depression. 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he refers to. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 In a message dated 11/11/2008 9:47:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , "cerosoul" <pedsie6 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Eric Paroissien"> <ericparoissien@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:> > >> > > Eric Paroissien wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins> > > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must> > > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ...> > > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.> > > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't> qualify,> > > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > > > > > Hi Eric,> > > > > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to> understand > > > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so> that I > > > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?> > > > > > thanks,> > > > > > tyga> > > > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,> > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous> > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or> > depression.> > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he> > refers to.> > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge> about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon> knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased> forever. Dig into how it feels to be right> now. > >>Yes, Pete, that's it.I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You cannot put a living thing in a box.Werner ***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or how evolution takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense. I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking about mind/ego, he's full of nonsense too. AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > Eric Paroissien wrote: > > > > > > > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins > > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must > > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ... > > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. > > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, > > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand > > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I > > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey? > > > > thanks, > > > > tyga > > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes, > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or > depression. > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he > refers to. P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased forever. Dig into how it feels to be right now. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " > <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > Eric Paroissien wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins > > > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must > > > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ... > > > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. > > > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't > qualify, > > > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > Hi Eric, > > > > > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to > understand > > > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so > that I > > > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey? > > > > > > thanks, > > > > > > tyga > > > > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes, > > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous > > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or > > depression. > > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he > > refers to. > > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge > about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon > knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased > forever. Dig into how it feels to be right > now. > > > Yes, Pete, that's it. I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You cannot put a living thing in a box. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Eric Paroissien wrote: > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > >> Eric Paroissien wrote: >> >>> One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins >>> his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must >>> have absolutely set clearly the goal ... >>> Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis. >>> Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify, >>> it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here. >>> >>> >>> --- >>> >>> >>> >> Hi Eric, >> >> I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand >> what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I >> might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey? >> >> thanks, >> >> tyga >> > > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes, > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or > depression. > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he > refers to. > > > > --- > > Ah right, yeah that makes sense. Thanks Eric. So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken identification with things to seek from and thing to seek to? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: .... > So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken identification with > things to seek from and thing to seek to? > > > tyga The gear of engagement into life, entanglement into attachments, is set into motion by the tiniest impulse which, when observed as soon as it appears, diffuses the explosive energy, the harmful potential of actions and thoughts, this is the famous wei-wu-wei of the Taoist, action-without-action, or more accurately economical living. Impulses are about, not being up to the challenge, quest for pleasure/entertainment/filling the hours of the days with all kinds of trash activities, controlling one's schedule, seeking revenge, making things perfect, self-destruction, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > ... > > > So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken identification > with > > things to seek from and thing to seek to? > > > > > > tyga > > The gear of engagement into life, entanglement into attachments, is > set into motion by the tiniest impulse which, when observed as soon as > it appears, diffuses the explosive energy, the harmful potential of > actions and thoughts, this is the famous wei-wu-wei of the Taoist, > action-without-action, or more accurately economical living. > > Impulses are about, not being up to the challenge, quest for > pleasure/entertainment/filling the hours of the days with all kinds of > trash activities, controlling one's schedule, seeking revenge, making > things perfect, self-destruction, etc. > We can' help but to live out our gift of life. We are utterly clueless, trying on all sorts of things until we become comfortable. Yet that is exactly where the universe as *other* comes in to drag us out of our *comfort zones*. It's such a drama! Such a comedy! Such as it is... such as we are... ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge > > about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon > > knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased > > forever. Dig into how it feels to be right > > now. > > > > > > > > Yes, Pete, that's it. > > I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a > static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You > cannot put a living thing in a box. > > Werner > > > >PH ***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or how evolution > takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense. > I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking about mind/ego, he's > full of nonsense too. P: Actually, Yes, I was talking about that X which is behind all phenomena, including us. That which is immutable can not be known because we can only know change. I don't think K was referring to plants or stars, but to minds that constantly change. The very intent of knowing the mind, changes the mind, so you cannot know your mind as it was a minute ago before you intended to know it. Therefore, you cannot know your mind, precisely because it's not static. It's a process, always changing as it functions, and knowing is part of that functioning. Knowing is making more or less crude representations of things. I know only a representation of plants, what plants are in themselves I'll never know. So, again, you can feel how it feels being right now, staying with that feeling could open a door to what is behind knowing, perceiving, and feeling. > > **************AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other > Holiday needs. Search Now. > (http://pr.atwola.com/promoclk/100000075x1212792382x1200798498/aol?redir=http://\ searchblog.aol.com/2008/11/04/happy-holidays-from > -aol-search/?ncid=emlcntussear00000001) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 12, 2008 Report Share Posted November 12, 2008 In a message dated 12/11/2008 7:44:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge> > about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon> > knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased> > forever. Dig into how it feels to be right> > now. > > >> >> > > Yes, Pete, that's it.> > I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a > static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You > cannot put a living thing in a box.> > Werner> > > >PH ***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or howevolution > takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense.> I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking aboutmind/ego, he's > full of nonsense too.P: Actually, Yes, I was talking about thatX which is behind all phenomena, including us. That which is immutable can notbe known because we can only know change. ***Well, we can only experience that which is in motion, which is changing. (So X isn't experienced in that way) Mind can only 'know' that to which it has assigned qualities, and X is qualityless, being the source of mind and it's assignments. I don't think K was referring to plants or stars,but to minds that constantly change. The veryintent of knowing the mind, changes the mind,so you cannot know your mind as it was a minuteago before you intended to know it. ****I don't know what K was referring to, and I agree that we cannot fully know something that constantly changes, but mind actually changes very slowly for most folks, and most of that consists of reinforcing it's own knowledge and functioning. There are unconscious patterns and ignorant beliefs that most folks live their whole lives without ever changing, and becoming aware of unconsciousness and the falsity of beliefs can and does change the functioning of mind. Therefore, you cannot know your mind, preciselybecause it's not static. It's a process, alwayschanging as it functions, and knowing is partof that functioning. Knowing is making more or lesscrude representations of things. I know onlya representation of plants, what plants are inthemselves I'll never know. ****But knowing what a plant really is, is not knowing your mind. So, again, you can feel how it feels beingright now, staying with that feeling couldopen a door to what is behind knowing,perceiving, and feeling. ****Yes. Get the Moviefone Toolbar. Showtimes, theaters, movie news more! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 14, 2008 Report Share Posted November 14, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: .... > We can' help but to live out our gift of life. We are utterly > clueless, trying on all sorts of things until we become comfortable. > Yet that is exactly where the universe as *other* comes in > to drag us out of our *comfort zones*. > > It's such a drama! Such a comedy! Such as it is... such as > we are... > > ~A Nope, cluelessness and confusion is the characteristic of the lost seeker; this universe, this body, this mind work in very predictable ways, the uncertainty and fear starts when we embark on impossible enterprises and obey to unreasonable desires. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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