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Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

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> Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

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> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

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> > ------------------------------

> > > Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do

> anything, I

> > > didn't say I don't choose to do anything. :)

> > >

> > >

> > > tyga

> >

> > So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to

> find/become?

>

>

> good question

>

> maybe he don't know what he hope to find/become

>

> Marc

 

One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,

it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 "

> <dennis_travis33@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> > <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

> > >

> > > ------------------------------

> > > > Yeah of course, but I said I realise I don't " need " to do

> > anything, I

> > > > didn't say I don't choose to do anything. :)

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > tyga

> > >

> > > So what makes you a seeker tyga?

> > > What is lacking in your present state or what do you hope to

> > find/become?

> >

> >

> > good question

> >

> > maybe he don't know what he hope to find/become

> >

> > Marc

>

> One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

> his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

> have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

> Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

> Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't

qualify,

> it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

 

 

yes, we are at war here!

 

where else?!

 

 

Marc

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In a message dated 11/10/2008 4:19:24 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, ericparoissien writes:

 

One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruinshis life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one musthave absolutely set clearly the goal ...Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

 

***I tend to agree. There must be a single pointedness, a desperation even, which is why 'I'm just here to have fun and see what happens' will never result in even the most obvious clarity.

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Eric Paroissien wrote:

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> One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

> his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

> have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

> Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

> Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,

> it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

>

>

> ---

>

>

Hi Eric,

 

I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand

what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I

might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?

 

thanks,

 

tyga

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

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> Eric Paroissien wrote:

> >

> >

> > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

> > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

> > have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

> > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

> > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,

> > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

> >

> >

> > ---

> >

> >

> Hi Eric,

>

> I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand

> what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I

> might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?

>

> thanks,

>

> tyga

 

A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,

1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous

underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or

depression.

2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he

refers to.

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In a message dated 11/11/2008 9:47:15 AM Pacific Standard Time, wwoehr writes:

Nisargadatta , "cerosoul" <pedsie6 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Eric Paroissien"> <ericparoissien@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:> > >> > > Eric Paroissien wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins> > > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must> > > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ...> > > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.> > > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't> qualify,> > > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.> > > >> > > >> > > > ---> > > >> > > > > > > Hi Eric,> > > > > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to> understand > > > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so> that I > > > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?> > > > > > thanks,> > > > > > tyga> > > > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,> > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous> > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or> > depression.> > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he> > refers to.> > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge> about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon> knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased> forever. Dig into how it feels to be right> now. > >>Yes, Pete, that's it.I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You cannot put a living thing in a box.Werner

 

***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or how evolution takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense.

I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking about mind/ego, he's full of nonsense too.

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

> >

> > Eric Paroissien wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

> > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

> > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

> > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

> > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't

qualify,

> > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

> > >

> > >

> > > ---

> > >

> > >

> > Hi Eric,

> >

> > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to

understand

> > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so

that I

> > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?

> >

> > thanks,

> >

> > tyga

>

> A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,

> 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous

> underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or

> depression.

> 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he

> refers to.

 

P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge

about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon

knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased

forever. Dig into how it feels to be right

now.

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

> <ericparoissien@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Eric Paroissien wrote:

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that

ruins

> > > > his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one

must

> > > > have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

> > > > Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

> > > > Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't

> qualify,

> > > > it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ---

> > > >

> > > >

> > > Hi Eric,

> > >

> > > I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to

> understand

> > > what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so

> that I

> > > might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to

convey?

> > >

> > > thanks,

> > >

> > > tyga

> >

> > A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,

> > 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous

> > underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom

or

> > depression.

> > 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he

> > refers to.

>

> P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge

> about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon

> knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased

> forever. Dig into how it feels to be right

> now.

> >

>

 

 

Yes, Pete, that's it.

 

I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a

static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You

cannot put a living thing in a box.

 

Werner

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Eric Paroissien wrote:

> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

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>> Eric Paroissien wrote:

>>

>>> One must be absolutely dedicated to get rid of the bitch that ruins

>>> his life (hey i'm not talking about one's wife or boss!), one must

>>> have absolutely set clearly the goal ...

>>> Vagueness brings more confusion and paralysis.

>>> Goals like, 'i want to be happy', 'i want to be free', don't qualify,

>>> it must be surgical, merciless, we are at war here.

>>>

>>>

>>> ---

>>>

>>>

>>>

>> Hi Eric,

>>

>> I don't really follow your reasoning here and would like to understand

>> what you are saying. Would you mind clarifying what you mean so that I

>> might have a clearer picture of what you are attempting to convey?

>>

>> thanks,

>>

>> tyga

>>

>

> A seeker defines himself between two antithetical extremes,

> 1. where he starts from, that is the unease, the continuous

> underground current of dissatisfaction, friction, anger, boredom or

> depression.

> 2. those who have it while he doesn't, the enlightened masters he

> refers to.

>

>

>

> ---

>

>

Ah right, yeah that makes sense. Thanks Eric.

 

So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken identification with

things to seek from and thing to seek to?

 

 

tyga

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Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:

 

....

 

> So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken identification

with

> things to seek from and thing to seek to?

>

>

> tyga

 

The gear of engagement into life, entanglement into attachments, is

set into motion by the tiniest impulse which, when observed as soon as

it appears, diffuses the explosive energy, the harmful potential of

actions and thoughts, this is the famous wei-wu-wei of the Taoist,

action-without-action, or more accurately economical living.

 

Impulses are about, not being up to the challenge, quest for

pleasure/entertainment/filling the hours of the days with all kinds of

trash activities, controlling one's schedule, seeking revenge, making

things perfect, self-destruction, etc.

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Nisargadatta , " Eric Paroissien "

<ericparoissien wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote:

>

> ...

>

> > So there isn't really any seeking, just the mistaken

identification

> with

> > things to seek from and thing to seek to?

> >

> >

> > tyga

>

> The gear of engagement into life, entanglement into attachments, is

> set into motion by the tiniest impulse which, when observed as soon

as

> it appears, diffuses the explosive energy, the harmful potential of

> actions and thoughts, this is the famous wei-wu-wei of the Taoist,

> action-without-action, or more accurately economical living.

>

> Impulses are about, not being up to the challenge, quest for

> pleasure/entertainment/filling the hours of the days with all kinds

of

> trash activities, controlling one's schedule, seeking revenge,

making

> things perfect, self-destruction, etc.

>

 

 

We can' help but to live out our gift of life. We are utterly

clueless, trying on all sorts of things until we become comfortable.

Yet that is exactly where the universe as *other* comes in

to drag us out of our *comfort zones*.

 

It's such a drama! Such a comedy! Such as it is... such as

we are...

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:

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> >

> > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge

> > about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon

> > knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased

> > forever. Dig into how it feels to be right

> > now.

> > >

> >

>

>

> Yes, Pete, that's it.

>

> I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a

> static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You

> cannot put a living thing in a box.

>

> Werner

>

>

>

>PH ***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or how

evolution

> takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense.

> I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking about

mind/ego, he's

> full of nonsense too.

 

P: Actually, Yes, I was talking about that

X which is behind all phenomena,

including us. That which is immutable can not

be known because we can only know change. I

don't think K was referring to plants or stars,

but to minds that constantly change. The very

intent of knowing the mind, changes the mind,

so you cannot know your mind as it was a minute

ago before you intended to know it.

 

Therefore, you cannot know your mind, precisely

because it's not static. It's a process, always

changing as it functions, and knowing is part

of that functioning. Knowing is making more or less

crude representations of things. I know only

a representation of plants, what plants are in

themselves I'll never know.

 

So, again, you can feel how it feels being

right now, staying with that feeling could

open a door to what is behind knowing,

perceiving, and feeling.

 

 

 

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In a message dated 12/11/2008 7:44:02 AM Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes:

 

Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > > P: The trap resides in seeking knowledge> > about yourself. It cannot be done. Abandon> > knowledge, it's a carrot ghost to be chased> > forever. Dig into how it feels to be right> > now. > > >> >> > > Yes, Pete, that's it.> > I remember J.K. who said you can only guether knowledge about a > static thing. But you are a living thing, constantly changing. You > cannot put a living thing in a box.> > Werner> > > >PH ***So, you can't know anything about how a plant grows or howevolution > takes place or how stars are born? Nonsense.> I thought Pete was talking about Self. If he's talking aboutmind/ego, he's > full of nonsense too.P: Actually, Yes, I was talking about thatX which is behind all phenomena, including us. That which is immutable can notbe known because we can only know change.

 

 

***Well, we can only experience that which is in motion, which is changing. (So X isn't experienced in that way) Mind can only 'know' that to which it has assigned qualities, and X is qualityless, being the source of mind and it's assignments.

 

 

I don't think K was referring to plants or stars,but to minds that constantly change. The veryintent of knowing the mind, changes the mind,so you cannot know your mind as it was a minuteago before you intended to know it.

****I don't know what K was referring to, and I agree that we cannot fully know something that constantly changes, but mind actually changes very slowly for most folks, and most of that consists of reinforcing it's own knowledge and functioning. There are unconscious patterns and ignorant beliefs that most folks live their whole lives without ever changing, and becoming aware of unconsciousness and the falsity of beliefs can and does change the functioning of mind.

Therefore, you cannot know your mind, preciselybecause it's not static. It's a process, alwayschanging as it functions, and knowing is partof that functioning. Knowing is making more or lesscrude representations of things. I know onlya representation of plants, what plants are inthemselves I'll never know.

 

 

****But knowing what a plant really is, is not knowing your mind.

 

So, again, you can feel how it feels beingright now, staying with that feeling couldopen a door to what is behind knowing,perceiving, and feeling.

 

****Yes.

 

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

 

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> We can' help but to live out our gift of life. We are utterly

> clueless, trying on all sorts of things until we become comfortable.

> Yet that is exactly where the universe as *other* comes in

> to drag us out of our *comfort zones*.

>

> It's such a drama! Such a comedy! Such as it is... such as

> we are...

>

> ~A

 

Nope, cluelessness and confusion is the characteristic of the lost

seeker; this universe, this body, this mind work in very predictable

ways, the uncertainty and fear starts when we embark on impossible

enterprises and obey to unreasonable desires.

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