Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:03:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes: I spend most of my time investigating ideas/concepts and how they relate to my world. When I discover a new idea/concept, I try to put then into practical terms by actually living it. I attempt only practical ideas/concepts though, not way out absurd ideas/concepts of course.From a spiritual and intellectual level, this is very useful to me, it enables me to continue to grow and to learn. I find it works well for me, at this moment.Ultimately though, I intuitively know that everything is meaningless, everything lacks substance, it is all illusion. So from that perspective, I declare myself free to investigate without expectation or consequence. For me, this is the end of suffering. I could be wrong of course. ****The only way to end suffering is to Awaken. Although I am not awakened, I understand that I am capable of it. ***Tyga is not actually capable of Awakening, since Tyga is the illusion. I understand that when I do awaken, I will have never have not been awakened. So from that perspective, I am already that which I seek. This is actually really hard for me to explain though, so please forgive the inconsistencies.tyga ****There's no need to explain to me, and I suspect Eric is familiar too. The idea that you are already awake, already that which you seek, is not meaningful as long as you don't realize the Truth of it. It just sits there like an interesting concept, but totally powerless to bring about anything. AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 10, 2008 Report Share Posted November 10, 2008 Eric Paroissien wrote: > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > ... > > >> I was merely asking Eric to engage me in conversation before coming to >> conclusions. >> >> >> tyga >> > > Oh yeah, no problem tyga, all this was well understood, only i did not > know what to add; sure we can deepen any issue you like, you can talk > about yourself more on these lines and we start a thread. > > > > --- > > Ok then, LOL. Now I don't know what to say. I spend most of my time investigating ideas/concepts and how they relate to my world. When I discover a new idea/concept, I try to put then into practical terms by actually living it. I attempt only practical ideas/concepts though, not way out absurd ideas/concepts of course. From a spiritual and intellectual level, this is very useful to me, it enables me to continue to grow and to learn. I find it works well for me, at this moment. Ultimately though, I intuitively know that everything is meaningless, everything lacks substance, it is all illusion. So from that perspective, I declare myself free to investigate without expectation or consequence. For me, this is the end of suffering. I could be wrong of course. Although I am not awakened, I understand that I am capable of it. I understand that when I do awaken, I will have never have not been awakened. So from that perspective, I am already that which I seek. This is actually really hard for me to explain though, so please forgive the inconsistencies. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 In a message dated 11/10/2008 10:28:52 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes: > ****The only way to end suffering is to Awaken.>I guess I'm talking about suffering in an emotional sense, not an enlightened sense. I have no fear, would probably be a better way of putting it? ***I only know of one sense. I dunno what suffering in the enlightened sense means. When we ended our conversation the other day, I thought you agreed to fear and confusion coming out of the conversation. > Although I am not awakened, I understand that I am capable of it.> > > ***Tyga is not actually capable of Awakening, since Tyga is the> illusion.>Yes of course. This is just the inadequacies of words again, I believe. A topic I am interested in investigating. ****Well, it's an important distinction. Ultimately, there is no volition, but there are certain understandings mind can come to having to do with it's own self created delusions, but when it comes to actually Awakening, mind is not involved in any way; cannot be involved. > ****There's no need to explain to me, and I suspect Eric is> familiar too. The idea that you are already awake, already that> which you seek, is not meaningful as long as you don't realize the> Truth of it. It just sits there like an interesting concept, but> totally powerless to bring about anything.>So what do you suggest then?For myself, this is a good place to be, much better than some other places I have been, I can assure you. Finding a place of peace was a goal I had been working on for quite a while. So ironically, you might well understand why you might encounter some resistance when challenging that place I currently enjoy inhabiting. ***Yeah, I do, but there are continuing 'benefits' of releasing illusions, and so I think it's safe to say you can only trade that place for a better place. Accepting that you don't know can bring clarity. That clarity will likely bring a realization of more things you don't know. This is where the spiritual path goes in my experience. Not pretending you know, or conceptualizing you don't know, but knowing you don't know. This is a good thing. AOL Search: Your one stop for directions, recipes and all other Holiday needs. Search Now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 souldreamone wrote: > > > In a message dated 11/10/2008 12:03:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > tyga writes: > > I spend most of my time investigating ideas/concepts and how they > relate > to my world. When I discover a new idea/concept, I try to put then > into > practical terms by actually living it. I attempt only practical > ideas/concepts though, not way out absurd ideas/concepts of course. > > From a spiritual and intellectual level, this is very useful to > me, it > enables me to continue to grow and to learn. I find it works well for > me, at this moment. > > Ultimately though, I intuitively know that everything is meaningless, > everything lacks substance, it is all illusion. So from that > perspective, I declare myself free to investigate without > expectation or > consequence. For me, this is the end of suffering. I could be > wrong of > course. > > > ****The only way to end suffering is to Awaken. > I guess I'm talking about suffering in an emotional sense, not an enlightened sense. I have no fear, would probably be a better way of putting it? > > > > Although I am not awakened, I understand that I am capable of it. > > > ***Tyga is not actually capable of Awakening, since Tyga is the > illusion. > Yes of course. This is just the inadequacies of words again, I believe. A topic I am interested in investigating. > > > > > I > understand that when I do awaken, I will have never have not been > awakened. So from that perspective, I am already that which I > seek. This > is actually really hard for me to explain though, so please > forgive the > inconsistencies. > > > tyga > > ****There's no need to explain to me, and I suspect Eric is > familiar too. The idea that you are already awake, already that > which you seek, is not meaningful as long as you don't realize the > Truth of it. It just sits there like an interesting concept, but > totally powerless to bring about anything. > So what do you suggest then? For myself, this is a good place to be, much better than some other places I have been, I can assure you. Finding a place of peace was a goal I had been working on for quite a while. So ironically, you might well understand why you might encounter some resistance when challenging that place I currently enjoy inhabiting. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 11, 2008 Report Share Posted November 11, 2008 Eric Paroissien wrote: > > > Yet you still consider yourself a seeker because some deadly threat > lies potentially ahead that make the place you stand on not so safe > after all. > Buddha said that he regretted offering means to alleviate existential > suffering like meditation, right living, which are great and bear > fruit but still a golden cage. > > > > >> tyga >> >> You might very well be correct in your evaluation but when I only see the choices between misery and joy, then I choose joy. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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