Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... ..... foolish, childish and mad! ..... what else!? Marc Ps: again that's life! lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 In a message dated 11/27/2008 9:03:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33"<dennis_travis33 wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta , "dennis_travis33"> > <dennis_travis33@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here:> > > > > > "Phil Und by Jerry from NDS" > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master....> > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here....> > > > > > ....> > > > > > foolish, childish and mad!> > > > > > ....> > > > > > what else!?> > > > > > > > > Marc> > > > > > > > > P: Read it again:> > > > Here,> > > on line serious methodical teaching is> > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched> > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey,> > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun.> > >> > Your message is confirming what I said. It> > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I> > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage> > around. The only thing to do with a mirage> > is to see it for what it is.> >> > so enjoy it....> > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > completely out of any serious method?......> > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....?> > but ok...> > let's "see the mirage for what it is"....> > > > MarcP:I have no method, serious or otherwise.The title was designed to lure Phil todiscuss why his method provokes such discordin these lists, so that, invariably, he getskicked out or he leaves. His response was todefend and blame others, rather than explorewhy his posting energy emits that much heatand so little light.Of course, I don't want anyone to take mypersonality seriously, just to judge what Iwrite as resonating or not, independentlyof what they think of me. Truth is still truewhen told by fools; a falsehood is stillfalse if uttered by the wise. *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk about what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually believe Yosy's repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's crafted a presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about when one is having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and somebody spontaneously responds "F**k off and die"? It's an unconscious reaction to the fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own suffering. What does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to be posted while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's impact on ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden writers are using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such comments cause them to leave the list? Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the one pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately ban him from the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation and is not the result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of the other defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the consequence of pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a seeker of Truth to strategically avoid what's true? Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > .... > > foolish, childish and mad! > > .... > > what else!? > > > Marc > P: Read it again: Here, > on line serious methodical teaching is > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > Your message is confirming what I said. It tries to shove me around a little for fun. I enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage around. The only thing to do with a mirage is to see it for what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > .... > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > .... > > > > what else!? > > > > > > Marc > > > > > P: Read it again: > > Here, > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > is to see it for what it is. > so enjoy it.... but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is completely out of any serious method?...... how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? but ok... let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > > > .... > > > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > > > .... > > > > > > what else!? > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > P: Read it again: > > > > Here, > > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > > is to see it for what it is. > > > > so enjoy it.... > > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > completely out of any serious method?...... > > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? > > but ok... > > let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... > > > > Marc P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. The title was designed to lure Phil to discuss why his method provokes such discord in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets kicked out or he leaves. His response was to defend and blame others, rather than explore why his posting energy emits that much heat and so little light. Of course, I don't want anyone to take my personality seriously, just to judge what I write as resonating or not, independently of what they think of me. Truth is still true when told by fools; a falsehood is still false if uttered by the wise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 In a message dated 11/27/2008 2:20:12 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> > > >> > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise.> The title was designed to lure Phil to> discuss why his method provokes such discord> in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets> kicked out or he leaves. His response was to> defend and blame others, rather than explore> why his posting energy emits that much heat> and so little light.> > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talkabout > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actuallybelieve Yosy's > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he'scrafted a > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How aboutwhen one is > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused andsomebody > spontaneously responds "F**k off and die"? It's an unconsciousreaction to the > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's ownsuffering. What > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is tobe posted > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it'simpact on > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst riddenwriters are > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such comments > cause them to leave the list?> > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm theone > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimatelyban him from > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigationand is not the > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any ofthe other > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply theconsequence of > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for aseeker of Truth to > strategically avoid what's true?P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone willnotice that you're corroborating my statementabove about how you only blame others, anddo not want to discuss your MO. Don't youthink that blame is like a coffin that no onecan carry alone, and it's usually the closest to the deceased who carry the weight? You seemto want to exclude yourself very badly fromcarrying any weight for your failure tocommunicate.Maybe, it will be more profitable to you ifyou look at the style and volume of yourpostings, and the way you keep on harpingon the same themes. I see nothing fundamentallywrong with what you write. It's mostly thestandard fare of these lists. So, if it's notthe food, maybe it's the service. No? ***It's not about blame. You see some kind of battle of right and wrong going on because that's what you want to be happening. It's happening in your head. As far as discussing my MO, I've said repeatedly that my intention is to look at and talk about what's true. Perhaps you've noticed (or not) from your own experience that there's no way to do that, that doesn't upset folks because the reaction is unconscious and mind's ability to justify it's reactions are endless, so I don't play any patronizing, ego placating games with it. Ultimately, The goal isn't to fix anybody or make them like me, just to look at what's true. Am I always right? Probably not, though I never made any claims to be. What I say is open for discussion, but rarely does that happen cause folks are too busy trying to make me wrong by any means possible, no matter how irrational, just like you're doing. As far as harping on the same themes, I don't see that happening at all. In fact, it seems that what I talk about is unique or folks wouldn't be so interested in getting rid of me and trying to fix me. Bryn, on NDS, has been saying the same thing in every post for years and nobody pays any attention. The repetition doesn't bother folks much. As far as posting volume, I've already commented on that and it's clearly your issue to look into as to why you believe that to be a problem. You might find the answer in your motivations. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 In a message dated 11/27/2008 3:21:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: > > and he's not to blame..we are.> > :-) bbb>P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob.And, you are, of course, right. Whatcan we do to amend our ways? Is therea course in reading comprehension, orin saintly patience we can take? ***Sounds all self righteous and such, but when did I blame either of you for anything?Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2008 9:03:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > what else!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Read it again: > > > > > > Here, > > > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > > > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > > > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > > > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > > > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > > > is to see it for what it is. > > > > > > > so enjoy it.... > > > > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > > completely out of any serious method?...... > > > > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? > > > > but ok... > > > > let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > The title was designed to lure Phil to > discuss why his method provokes such discord > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > defend and blame others, rather than explore > why his posting energy emits that much heat > and so little light. > > Of course, I don't want anyone to take my > personality seriously, just to judge what I > write as resonating or not, independently > of what they think of me. Truth is still true > when told by fools; a falsehood is still > false if uttered by the wise. > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk about > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually believe Yosy's > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's crafted a > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about when one is > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and somebody > spontaneously responds " F**k off and die " ? It's an unconscious reaction to the > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own suffering. What > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to be posted > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's impact on > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden writers are > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such comments > cause them to leave the list? > > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the one > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately ban him from > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation and is not the > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of the other > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the consequence of > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a seeker of Truth to > strategically avoid what's true? oh my yes Phillip. everyone is scared of you and what you say. what you been smokin' fella? what makes you think you even know what truth is.. let alone what is true? you're a sorry joke. but you are funny. :-) ..b b.b. roflmao! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2008 1:21:47 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > Roberibus111 writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2008 9:03:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > pedsie6@ writes: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > > > > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > > > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > > > what else!? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Read it again: > > > > > > > > Here, > > > > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > > > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > > > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > > > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > > > > > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > > > > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > > > > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > > > > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > > > > is to see it for what it is. > > > > > > > > > > so enjoy it.... > > > > > > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > > > completely out of any serious method?...... > > > > > > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > > > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? > > > > > > but ok... > > > > > > let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > > The title was designed to lure Phil to > > discuss why his method provokes such discord > > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > > defend and blame others, rather than explore > > why his posting energy emits that much heat > > and so little light. > > > > Of course, I don't want anyone to take my > > personality seriously, just to judge what I > > write as resonating or not, independently > > of what they think of me. Truth is still true > > when told by fools; a falsehood is still > > false if uttered by the wise. > > > > > > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk > about > > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually > believe Yosy's > > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's > crafted a > > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about > when one is > > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and > somebody > > spontaneously responds " F**k off and die " ? It's an unconscious > reaction to the > > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own > suffering. What > > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to > be posted > > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's > impact on > > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden > writers are > > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such > comments > > cause them to leave the list? > > > > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the > one > > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately > ban him from > > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation > and is not the > > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of > the other > > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the > consequence of > > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a > seeker of Truth to > > strategically avoid what's true? > > > oh my yes Phillip. > > everyone is scared of you and what you say. > > what you been smokin' fella? > > what makes you think you even know what truth is.. > > let alone what is true? > > you're a sorry joke. > > but you are funny. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > roflmao! > > > > > > ***And anybody who can't see through your lame game here is blind as a bat. LOL! that's typically the best you can come up with. you are such a loser. you're just bothered because i know that you don't know squat. are you a baptist? hahahhaaaaaaaaaaaaaa! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > The title was designed to lure Phil to > discuss why his method provokes such discord > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > defend and blame others, rather than explore > why his posting energy emits that much heat > and so little light. > > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk about > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually believe Yosy's > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's crafted a > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about when one is > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and somebody > spontaneously responds " F**k off and die " ? It's an unconscious reaction to the > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own suffering. What > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to be posted > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's impact on > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden writers are > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such comments > cause them to leave the list? > > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the one > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately ban him from > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation and is not the > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of the other > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the consequence of > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a seeker of Truth to > strategically avoid what's true? P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone will notice that you're corroborating my statement above about how you only blame others, and do not want to discuss your MO. Don't you think that blame is like a coffin that no one can carry alone, and it's usually the closest to the deceased who carry the weight? You seem to want to exclude yourself very badly from carrying any weight for your failure to communicate. Maybe, it will be more profitable to you if you look at the style and volume of your postings, and the way you keep on harping on the same themes. I see nothing fundamentally wrong with what you write. It's mostly the standard fare of these lists. So, if it's not the food, maybe it's the service. No? > > > > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 27, 2008 Report Share Posted November 27, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > > The title was designed to lure Phil to > > discuss why his method provokes such discord > > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > > defend and blame others, rather than explore > > why his posting energy emits that much heat > > and so little light. > > > > > > > > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk > about > > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually > believe Yosy's > > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's > crafted a > > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about > when one is > > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and > somebody > > spontaneously responds " F**k off and die " ? It's an unconscious > reaction to the > > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own > suffering. What > > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to > be posted > > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's > impact on > > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden > writers are > > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such > comments > > cause them to leave the list? > > > > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the > one > > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately > ban him from > > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation > and is not the > > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of > the other > > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the > consequence of > > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a > seeker of Truth to > > strategically avoid what's true? > > P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone will > notice that you're corroborating my statement > above about how you only blame others, and > do not want to discuss your MO. Don't you > think that blame is like a coffin that no one > can carry alone, and it's usually the closest > to the deceased who carry the weight? You seem > to want to exclude yourself very badly from > carrying any weight for your failure to > communicate. > > Maybe, it will be more profitable to you if > you look at the style and volume of your > postings, and the way you keep on harping > on the same themes. I see nothing fundamentally > wrong with what you write. It's mostly the > standard fare of these lists. So, if it's not > the food, maybe it's the service. No? the service is terrible pete. the service union however will NOT allow a star member to be blamed. it's the fault of the other non union servers, customers, management. whose under-appreciation of him has... rightfully..and justifiably... set off his righteous anger. calling him a bad servant irritates him.. and gravitates him towards a strange and bizarre belief.. that to blame him for blaming others for his inability to serve.. serve in an appropriate and proper way.. is tantamount to NOT SEEING HIS TRUTH! as you can therefore see.. he has nothing to do with it or any possible error conceivable. he's a swell and noble Granter of Gnosis. he lives in a very..very very..small world in both fact and deed. and he's not to blame..we are. :-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > :-) bbb > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. And, you are, of course, right. What can we do to amend our ways? Is there a course in reading comprehension, or in saintly patience we can take? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 In a message dated 11/27/2008 6:22:50 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, kailashana writes: Nisargadatta , "cerosoul" <pedsie6 wrote:>> > > > > and he's not to blame..we are.> > > > :-) bbb> >> > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob.> And, you are, of course, right. What> can we do to amend our ways? Is there> a course in reading comprehension, or> in saintly patience we can take?>It seems everyone is just too eager to tell someone else of their*shortcomings*..... I wonder...Lots of smoke and mirrors.....Of course, while we're busy telling what's *wrong* withanother person, we NEVER have to look at ourselves.Verbal and emotional *abuse* is still verbal and emotionalabuse... no matter how *enlightened* we think we are.What's spiritual in these groups? Who's teaching whom?And may I inquire as to what?Happy Thanksgiving... I am thankful I'm pretty much donewith it all. This is all a sham. And it has nothing to dowith Rumi.~A ****These "spiritual groups" have failed miserably, and one of the things being looked at is why. One thing that's clear is that it doesn't seem to get applied to our personal lives, and so one can imagine oneself to be very spiritually advanced, or even enlightened, and yet ego is solidly in place and there may even be a high degree of unconsciousness. What's needed is something that hits a little closer to home. Not sure what that is yet, but I've got some ideas. What's very interesting is cruelty in the name of fun under the guise of spirituality. Maybe this epitomizes what's gone horribly wrong with these forums. Pete: Here,on line serious methodical teaching isimpossible since we see only hastily sketchedopinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey,and only shove each other around mainly for fun. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2008 3:21:34 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > > > > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > > > :-) bbb > > > > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. > And, you are, of course, right. What > can we do to amend our ways? Is there > a course in reading comprehension, or > in saintly patience we can take? > > > > ***Sounds all self righteous and such, but when did I blame either of you > for anything? a blind bat can see through that game. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 In a message dated 11/27/2008 6:39:58 P.M. Pacific Standard Time, pedsie6 writes: > > P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone will> notice that you're corroborating my statement> above about how you only blame others, and> do not want to discuss your MO. Don't you> think that blame is like a coffin that no one> can carry alone, and it's usually the closest > to the deceased who carry the weight? You seem> to want to exclude yourself very badly from> carrying any weight for your failure to> communicate.> > Maybe, it will be more profitable to you if> you look at the style and volume of your> postings, and the way you keep on harping> on the same themes. I see nothing fundamentally> wrong with what you write. It's mostly the> standard fare of these lists. So, if it's not> the food, maybe it's the service. No?> > > > > ***It's not about blame. You see some kind of battle of right andwrong > going on because that's what you want to be happening. It'shappening in your > head.> > As far as discussing my MO, I've said repeatedly that my intentionis to > look at and talk about what's true. Perhaps you've noticed (or not)from your > own experience that there's no way to do that, that doesn't upsetfolks because > the reaction is unconscious and mind's ability to justify it'sreactions are > endless, so I don't play any patronizing, ego placating games with it. > Ultimately, The goal isn't to fix anybody or make them like me,just to look at > what's true. Am I always right? Probably not, though I never madeany claims to > be. What I say is open for discussion, but rarely does that happencause > folks are too busy trying to make me wrong by any means possible,no matter how > irrational, just like you're doing.> > As far as harping on the same themes, I don't see that happening atall. In > fact, it seems that what I talk about is unique or folks wouldn'tbe so > interested in getting rid of me and trying to fix me. Bryn, on NDS,has been > saying the same thing in every post for years and nobody pays anyattention. The > repetition doesn't bother folks much. > > As far as posting volume, I've already commented on that and it'sclearly > your issue to look into as to why you believe that to be a problem.You might > find the answer in your motivations.P: Well, it's obvious you think of yourselfas the lamb without blemish. Let me know thedate of the cruci-fiction next time. I'd bringthe kids to watch. ***Yes, everything you say is so clear and so obvious to you, and yet it's all nonsense. This is the problem when there's no particular interest in looking at what's true. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > > > :-) bbb > > > > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. > And, you are, of course, right. What > can we do to amend our ways? Is there > a course in reading comprehension, or > in saintly patience we can take? > It seems everyone is just too eager to tell someone else of their *shortcomings*..... I wonder... Lots of smoke and mirrors..... Of course, while we're busy telling what's *wrong* with another person, we NEVER have to look at ourselves. Verbal and emotional *abuse* is still verbal and emotional abuse... no matter how *enlightened* we think we are. What's spiritual in these groups? Who's teaching whom? And may I inquire as to what? Happy Thanksgiving... I am thankful I'm pretty much done with it all. This is all a sham. And it has nothing to do with Rumi. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 > > P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone will > notice that you're corroborating my statement > above about how you only blame others, and > do not want to discuss your MO. Don't you > think that blame is like a coffin that no one > can carry alone, and it's usually the closest > to the deceased who carry the weight? You seem > to want to exclude yourself very badly from > carrying any weight for your failure to > communicate. > > Maybe, it will be more profitable to you if > you look at the style and volume of your > postings, and the way you keep on harping > on the same themes. I see nothing fundamentally > wrong with what you write. It's mostly the > standard fare of these lists. So, if it's not > the food, maybe it's the service. No? > > > > > ***It's not about blame. You see some kind of battle of right and wrong > going on because that's what you want to be happening. It's happening in your > head. > > As far as discussing my MO, I've said repeatedly that my intention is to > look at and talk about what's true. Perhaps you've noticed (or not) from your > own experience that there's no way to do that, that doesn't upset folks because > the reaction is unconscious and mind's ability to justify it's reactions are > endless, so I don't play any patronizing, ego placating games with it. > Ultimately, The goal isn't to fix anybody or make them like me, just to look at > what's true. Am I always right? Probably not, though I never made any claims to > be. What I say is open for discussion, but rarely does that happen cause > folks are too busy trying to make me wrong by any means possible, no matter how > irrational, just like you're doing. > > As far as harping on the same themes, I don't see that happening at all. In > fact, it seems that what I talk about is unique or folks wouldn't be so > interested in getting rid of me and trying to fix me. Bryn, on NDS, has been > saying the same thing in every post for years and nobody pays any attention. The > repetition doesn't bother folks much. > > As far as posting volume, I've already commented on that and it's clearly > your issue to look into as to why you believe that to be a problem. You might > find the answer in your motivations. P: Well, it's obvious you think of yourself as the lamb without blemish. Let me know the date of the cruci-fiction next time. I'd bring the kids to watch. > > > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new-dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > > > > > :-) bbb > > > > > > > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. > > And, you are, of course, right. What > > can we do to amend our ways? Is there > > a course in reading comprehension, or > > in saintly patience we can take? > > > > > > > It seems everyone is just too eager to tell someone else of their > *shortcomings*..... > > I wonder... > > Lots of smoke and mirrors..... > > Of course, while we're busy telling what's *wrong* with > another person, we NEVER have to look at ourselves. > > Verbal and emotional *abuse* is still verbal and emotional > abuse... no matter how *enlightened* we think we are. > > What's spiritual in these groups? Who's teaching whom? > > And may I inquire as to what? > > > Happy Thanksgiving... I am thankful I'm pretty much done > with it all. This is all a sham. And it has nothing to do > with Rumi. > > ~A P: But wait, I feel abused by your words, and since you have been leaving lists for years, and always come back for more, I might beat you to it and from your list. Rumi! give me a break! Grow up! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > P: Reading what you wrote you, anyone will > > notice that you're corroborating my statement > > above about how you only blame others, and > > do not want to discuss your MO. Don't you > > think that blame is like a coffin that no one > > can carry alone, and it's usually the closest > > to the deceased who carry the weight? You seem > > to want to exclude yourself very badly from > > carrying any weight for your failure to > > communicate. > > > > Maybe, it will be more profitable to you if > > you look at the style and volume of your > > postings, and the way you keep on harping > > on the same themes. I see nothing fundamentally > > wrong with what you write. It's mostly the > > standard fare of these lists. So, if it's not > > the food, maybe it's the service. No? > > > > > > > > > > ***It's not about blame. You see some kind of battle of right and > wrong > > going on because that's what you want to be happening. It's > happening in your > > head. > > > > As far as discussing my MO, I've said repeatedly that my intention > is to > > look at and talk about what's true. Perhaps you've noticed (or not) > from your > > own experience that there's no way to do that, that doesn't upset > folks because > > the reaction is unconscious and mind's ability to justify it's > reactions are > > endless, so I don't play any patronizing, ego placating games with it. > > Ultimately, The goal isn't to fix anybody or make them like me, > just to look at > > what's true. Am I always right? Probably not, though I never made > any claims to > > be. What I say is open for discussion, but rarely does that happen > cause > > folks are too busy trying to make me wrong by any means possible, > no matter how > > irrational, just like you're doing. > > > > As far as harping on the same themes, I don't see that happening at > all. In > > fact, it seems that what I talk about is unique or folks wouldn't > be so > > interested in getting rid of me and trying to fix me. Bryn, on NDS, > has been > > saying the same thing in every post for years and nobody pays any > attention. The > > repetition doesn't bother folks much. > > > > As far as posting volume, I've already commented on that and it's > clearly > > your issue to look into as to why you believe that to be a problem. > You might > > find the answer in your motivations. > > > P: Well, it's obvious you think of yourself > as the lamb without blemish. Let me know the > date of the cruci-fiction next time. I'd bring > the kids to watch. Don't know who you are answering to, there is no name. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > what else!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Read it again: > > > > > > Here, > > > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > > > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > > > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > > > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > > > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > > > is to see it for what it is. > > > > > > > so enjoy it.... > > > > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > > completely out of any serious method?...... > > > > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? > > > > but ok... > > > > let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > The title was designed to lure Phil to > discuss why his method provokes such discord > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > defend and blame others, rather than explore > why his posting energy emits that much heat > and so little light. > > Of course, I don't want anyone to take my > personality seriously, just to judge what I > write as resonating or not, independently > of what they think of me. Truth is still true > when told by fools; a falsehood is still > false if uttered by the wise. > sure....there is always a reason about why and how people are acting/reacting on appearent others.... thats's life....what else?!.... ..... but good to know that you are open for judgements....(on your words)... ..... and also good that we are under fools in here.... means, there is realy no necessity to give too much importance to whatever....mainly to our little imaginary thinking and acting self. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > > > > > :-) bbb > > > > > > > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. > > And, you are, of course, right. What > > can we do to amend our ways? Is there > > a course in reading comprehension, or > > in saintly patience we can take? > > > > > > > It seems everyone is just too eager to tell someone else of their > *shortcomings*..... > > I wonder... > > Lots of smoke and mirrors..... > > Of course, while we're busy telling what's *wrong* with > another person, we NEVER have to look at ourselves. > > Verbal and emotional *abuse* is still verbal and emotional > abuse... no matter how *enlightened* we think we are. > > What's spiritual in these groups? Who's teaching whom? > > And may I inquire as to what? > > > Happy Thanksgiving... I am thankful I'm pretty much done > with it all. This is all a sham. And it has nothing to do > with Rumi. > > ~A > Oh Lord, I thank you that I am not like those. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 28, 2008 Report Share Posted November 28, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > and he's not to blame..we are. > > > > > > :-) bbb > > > > > > > P: I had to chuckle at that one, bob. > > And, you are, of course, right. What > > can we do to amend our ways? Is there > > a course in reading comprehension, or > > in saintly patience we can take? > > > > > > > It seems everyone is just too eager to tell someone else of their > *shortcomings*..... > > I wonder... > > Lots of smoke and mirrors..... > > Of course, while we're busy telling what's *wrong* with > another person, we NEVER have to look at ourselves. > > Verbal and emotional *abuse* is still verbal and emotional > abuse... no matter how *enlightened* we think we are. > > What's spiritual in these groups? Who's teaching whom? > > And may I inquire as to what? > > > Happy Thanksgiving... I am thankful I'm pretty much done > with it all. This is all a sham. And it has nothing to do > with Rumi. > > ~A rumi was a roomie of mine. back in poetic nonsense school. i hear he's not here. he never liked turkey gobbling anyway. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2008 Report Share Posted December 1, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/27/2008 9:03:49 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > pedsie6 writes: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > wondering how/why one could title a topic like that in here: > > > > > > > > " Phil Und by Jerry from NDS " > > > > > > > > and then feeling like Buddha and whatever Zen Master.... > > > > > > > > and communicate proudly with others of same kind in here.... > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > foolish, childish and mad! > > > > > > > > .... > > > > > > > > what else!? > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > P: Read it again: > > > > > > Here, > > > > on line serious methodical teaching is > > > > impossible since we see only hastily sketched > > > > opinions. So, we rarely pin the tail on the donkey, > > > > and only shove each other around mainly for fun. > > > > > > > Your message is confirming what I said. It > > > tries to shove me around a little for fun. I > > > enjoy that, but you can't shove a mirage > > > around. The only thing to do with a mirage > > > is to see it for what it is. > > > > > > > so enjoy it.... > > > > but don't you think that such mentionned title & topic from you is > > completely out of any serious method?...... > > > > how could you expect that anybody take this your person(ality) > > serious after such informations concerning Phil and NDS....? > > > > but ok... > > > > let's " see the mirage for what it is " .... > > > > > > > > Marc > > P:I have no method, serious or otherwise. > The title was designed to lure Phil to > discuss why his method provokes such discord > in these lists, so that, invariably, he gets > kicked out or he leaves. His response was to > defend and blame others, rather than explore > why his posting energy emits that much heat > and so little light. > > Of course, I don't want anyone to take my > personality seriously, just to judge what I > write as resonating or not, independently > of what they think of me. Truth is still true > when told by fools; a falsehood is still > false if uttered by the wise. > > > > > *****The reason my posts often irritate is that I look at and talk about > what's true, and ego is terrified of the truth. How many actually believe Yosy's > repeated assertions that he's Awakened? How many see how he's crafted a > presence designed to solely to convey that falsehood? How about when one is > having a casual conversation about suffering being self caused and somebody > spontaneously responds " F**k off and die " ? It's an unconscious reaction to the > fear of having to take personal responsibility for one's own suffering. What > does it mean when the moderator declares that nothing personal is to be posted > while discussing a spiritual goal that is radically personal in it's impact on > ego? What does it mean when it's pointed out that angst ridden writers are > using suffering as their own personal inspirational muse, and such comments > cause them to leave the list? > > Everyone who is frightened by such an approach will try to harm the one > pointing these things out and will easily find fault and ultimately ban him from > the list so that they can go back to sleep and pretend they're doing > spiritual work. It's not a mystery to me and needs no investigation and is not the > result of a faulty method or ego reactivity or attachment or any of the other > defects that have been assigned to Phil. It's simply the consequence of > pointing out what's true. And finally, what does it mean for a seeker of Truth to > strategically avoid what's true? > > tell me again like i was a two year old, Who is the moderater of truth > > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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