Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nice. It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for love or to be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not love. This is so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our undistorted being. In a message dated 11/29/2008 12:37:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wwoehr writes: Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on LoveQuestion: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love?K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co-operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive without being sentimental; therefore it will know love.The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a total comprehension of the whole of existence. More quotes here:http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.htmlWerner---**If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: /mygroups?edit=1Under the Message Delivery option, choose "No Email" for the Nisargadatta group and click on Save Changes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:00:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, wwoehr writes: Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote:>> Nice.> It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for love or to > be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not love. This is > so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our undistorted > being.> >Maybe yes, Phil,The important hint from K was: "It is easy to hate".Hate arises when there is a painful obstacle which by no means one can't get rid of. And so hate aeise as a stimuls signalling the brain to create enough energy of violence to finally attack and to remove that obstacle.And same easy it is to preach and constantly babble of love.Preaching love in most cases is just a tricky way not having to face that there is no love in one's heart besides a thick overlay of sentimental delusion and self-betrayal.Werner ***Sure. Anger/judgment/hate seems to be fear seeking release through expression. Nobody wants to express fear so it takes a more controlling, self righteous form and then aches for expression, which explains the vast majority of interaction on most of these forums. The bottom line is that folks are afraid and afraid to be seen as afraid. The solution is to see it for what it is and allow the fear to be present, but that takes a degree of humility and courage that many can't find. I also agree about love. The constant focus on it implies the need of it rather than the ability to access it. Genuine love is quiet, accepting and humble, without need. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:23:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, tyga writes: Werner Woehr wrote:> Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love> >>> Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love?>> K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co-> operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love.>> The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a > total comprehension of the whole of existence. >>> More quotes here:>> http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html>> Werner>>>> --->> I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with fear.tyga ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that fear is at the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co- operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a total comprehension of the whole of existence. More quotes here: http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > Nice. > It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for love or to > be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not love. This is > so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our undistorted > being. > > Maybe yes, Phil, The important hint from K was: " It is easy to hate " . Hate arises when there is a painful obstacle which by no means one can't get rid of. And so hate aeise as a stimuls signalling the brain to create enough energy of violence to finally attack and to remove that obstacle. And same easy it is to preach and constantly babble of love. Preaching love in most cases is just a tricky way not having to face that there is no love in one's heart besides a thick overlay of sentimental delusion and self-betrayal. Werner > > In a message dated 11/29/2008 12:37:52 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wwoehr writes: > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co- > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > More quotes here: > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > Werner > > > > --- > > ** > > If you do not wish to receive individual emails, to change your > subscription, sign in with your ID and go to Edit My Groups: > > /mygroups?edit=1 > > Under the Message Delivery option, choose " No Email " for the Nisargadatta > group and click on Save Changes. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > Nice. > > It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for > love or to > > be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not > love. This is > > so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our > undistorted > > being. > > > > > > > Maybe yes, Phil, > > The important hint from K was: " It is easy to hate " . > > Hate arises when there is a painful obstacle which by no means one > can't get rid of. And so hate aeise as a stimuls signalling the brain > to create enough energy of violence to finally attack and to remove > that obstacle. > > And same easy it is to preach and constantly babble of love. > > Preaching love in most cases is just a tricky way not having to face > that there is no love in one's heart besides a thick overlay of > sentimental delusion and self-betrayal. > > Werner neither love nor hate are in the heart. the both swim through thought and are falsely claimed as one's own. both are the same bullshit anyway. love, ..b b.b. p.s. go f**k yourself too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co- > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > More quotes here: > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > Werner > > > > --- > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with fear. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:00:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wwoehr writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > Nice. > > It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for > love or to > > be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not > love. This is > > so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our > undistorted > > being. > > > > > > > Maybe yes, Phil, > > The important hint from K was: " It is easy to hate " . > > Hate arises when there is a painful obstacle which by no means one > can't get rid of. And so hate aeise as a stimuls signalling the brain > to create enough energy of violence to finally attack and to remove > that obstacle. > > And same easy it is to preach and constantly babble of love. > > Preaching love in most cases is just a tricky way not having to face > that there is no love in one's heart besides a thick overlay of > sentimental delusion and self-betrayal. > > Werner > > > > > ***Sure. Anger/judgment/hate seems to be fear seeking release through > expression. Nobody wants to express fear so it takes a more controlling, self > righteous form and then aches for expression, which explains the vast majority of > interaction on most of these forums. The bottom line is that folks are afraid > and afraid to be seen as afraid. The solution is to see it for what it is > and allow the fear to be present, but that takes a degree of humility and > courage that many can't find. > > I also agree about love. The constant focus on it implies the need of it > rather than the ability to access it. Genuine love is quiet, accepting and > humble, without need. > > Both well said, Phil, Thanks for your reply. Werner > > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co- > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with fear. > > tyga > No, Tyga, Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement towards to. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:00:27 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > wwoehr writes: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > Nice. > > It seems to me love arises in the absence of either the need for > love or to > > be loving, or the need to remove that which is perceived as not > love. This is > > so because it is present as part of the natural expression of our > undistorted > > being. > > > > > > > Maybe yes, Phil, > > The important hint from K was: " It is easy to hate " . > > Hate arises when there is a painful obstacle which by no means one > can't get rid of. And so hate aeise as a stimuls signalling the brain > to create enough energy of violence to finally attack and to remove > that obstacle. > > And same easy it is to preach and constantly babble of love. > > Preaching love in most cases is just a tricky way not having to face > that there is no love in one's heart besides a thick overlay of > sentimental delusion and self-betrayal. > > Werner > > > > > ***Sure. Anger/judgment/hate seems to be fear seeking release through > expression. Nobody wants to express fear so it takes a more controlling, self > righteous form and then aches for expression, which explains the vast majority of > interaction on most of these forums. The bottom line is that folks are afraid > and afraid to be seen as afraid. The solution is to see it for what it is > and allow the fear to be present, but that takes a degree of humility and > courage that many can't find. > > I also agree about love. The constant focus on it implies the need of it > rather than the ability to access it. Genuine love is quiet, accepting and > humble, without need. love (GENUINE) doesn't require (need)... agreement with one's faulty ideas. because possessing that need... that infantile need to be given belief, agreement, approval.. you know like some people are about their posts.. would require expressing rage at those who didn't buy their bullshit. you're onto something there sugar. was afraid you might not agree though. but see..wasn't afraid to tell you that. fear conquered. man it's wonderful how you point the way. LOL! non-self-righteously, ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: >>> >>> >> I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with >> > fear. > >> tyga >> >> > > > No, Tyga, > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > towards to. > > Werner > > > > --- > > The movement away from and the violent movement toward what? tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught > how to > > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no > exploitation, > > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It > is > > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of > co- > > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put > it > > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible > it is > > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to > let > > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes > along > > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling > it > > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take > root, > > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let > it > > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue > love. > > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has > no > > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that > brings a > > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with > fear. > > > > tyga > > > > > No, Tyga, > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > towards to. " ....towards to. " ? i'm not familiar with that motion. please describe this novel notion. thanks. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > >>> > >>> > >> I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with > >> > > fear. > > > >> tyga > >> > >> > > > > > > No, Tyga, > > > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > towards to. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > The movement away from and the violent movement toward what? > > > Pain, Tyga, Btw, fear and hate is a quite interesting and demanding topic. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > >>> > > >>> > > >> I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate > with > > >> > > > fear. > > > > > >> tyga > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > No, Tyga, > > > > > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > > towards to. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > The movement away from and the violent movement toward what? > > > > > > > > > Pain, Tyga, > > Btw, fear and hate is a quite interesting and demanding topic. > > Werner ROFLMAO! Werner you should do comedy. this psyco-babble bullshit is counting angels where there ain't none. your pal in motion (ha ha), ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > > > > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught > > how to > > > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > > > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > > > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no > > exploitation, > > > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > > > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It > > is > > > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > > > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of > > co- > > > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > > > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put > > it > > > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible > > it is > > > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > > > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to > > let > > > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > > > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes > > along > > > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling > > it > > > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take > > root, > > > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > > > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let > > it > > > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > > > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue > > love. > > > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has > > no > > > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that > > brings a > > > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with > > fear. > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > No, Tyga, > > > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > towards to. > > > > " ....towards to. " ? > > i'm not familiar with that motion. > > please describe this novel notion. > > thanks. You are welcome, Rob, But because English is not my native language and therfore lots of false expression and usage of words can appear in my posts, I am always grateful for any help to improve my English. Werner > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Werner Woehr wrote: >> >> The movement away from and the violent movement toward what? >> >> >> >> > > > Pain, Tyga, > > Btw, fear and hate is a quite interesting and demanding topic. > > Werner > > > > > --- > > Ah ok, makes sense now. tyga Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to > love? > > > > > > > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be > taught > > > how to > > > > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? > If we > > > > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, > this > > > > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no > > > exploitation, > > > > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be > really > > > > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. > It > > > is > > > > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a > fashion; it > > > > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types > of > > > co- > > > > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You > cannot > > > > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and > put > > > it > > > > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how > terrible > > > it is > > > > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop > away; > > > > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not > to > > > let > > > > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is > like > > > > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that > comes > > > along > > > > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of > pulling > > > it > > > > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to > take > > > root, > > > > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > > > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to > mature, it > > > > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you > let > > > it > > > > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very > sensitive > > > > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > > > > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue > > > love. > > > > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it > has > > > no > > > > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > > > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that > > > brings a > > > > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > > > > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate > with > > > fear. > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Tyga, > > > > > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > > towards to. > > > > > > > > " ....towards to. " ? > > > > i'm not familiar with that motion. > > > > please describe this novel notion. > > > > thanks. > > > You are welcome, Rob, > > But because English is not my native language and therfore lots of > false expression and usage of words can appear in my posts, I am > always grateful for any help to improve my English. > > Werner > > > > > > .b b.b. any time any place any way i can help Werner, i will... natch. " therfore " in the above should have an e inserted between r & f. therefore its: " therefore " . i do not require your seemingly gracious gratitude. i don't believe in that phony crap. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to > > love? > > > > > > > > > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be > > taught > > > > how to > > > > > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? > > If we > > > > > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, > > this > > > > > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no > > > > exploitation, > > > > > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be > > really > > > > > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. > > It > > > > is > > > > > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a > > fashion; it > > > > > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types > > of > > > > co- > > > > > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You > > cannot > > > > > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and > > put > > > > it > > > > > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how > > terrible > > > > it is > > > > > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop > > away; > > > > > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not > > to > > > > let > > > > > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is > > like > > > > > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that > > comes > > > > along > > > > > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of > > pulling > > > > it > > > > > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to > > take > > > > root, > > > > > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > > > > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to > > mature, it > > > > > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you > > let > > > > it > > > > > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very > > sensitive > > > > > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > > > > > > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue > > > > love. > > > > > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it > > has > > > > no > > > > > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > > > > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that > > > > brings a > > > > > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > > > > > > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate > > with > > > > fear. > > > > > > > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > No, Tyga, > > > > > > > > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > > > towards to. > > > > > > > > > > > > " ....towards to. " ? > > > > > > i'm not familiar with that motion. > > > > > > please describe this novel notion. > > > > > > thanks. > > > > > > You are welcome, Rob, > > > > But because English is not my native language and therfore lots of > > false expression and usage of words can appear in my posts, I am > > always grateful for any help to improve my English. > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > any time any place any way i can help Werner, i will... natch. > > " therfore " in the above should have an e inserted between r & f. > > therefore its: " therefore " . Ah, ok, Btw, I am half blind, Rob, and so I have problems reading and writing posts. Mostly my posts include mistypings. I simply don't see them. Werner > > i do not require your seemingly gracious gratitude. > > i don't believe in that phony crap. > > .b b.b. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , souldreamone wrote: > > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:23:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > tyga writes: > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to love? > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught how to > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If we > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, this > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no exploitation, > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be really > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It is > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; it > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of co- > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You cannot > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and put it > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible it is > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop away; > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to let > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is like > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes along > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling it > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take root, > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, it > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you let it > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue love. > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has no > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that brings a > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with fear. > > tyga > > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that fear is at > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to introduce additional topics. Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is taken away you instantly would drop dead. Werner > > > **************Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW > AOL.com. > (http://www.aol.com/?optin=new- dp & icid=aolcom40vanity & ncid=emlcntaolcom00000002) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:23:14 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, > > tyga@ writes: > > > > Werner Woehr wrote: > > > Jiddu Krishnamurti quotes on Love > > > > > > > > > > > > Question: I am full of hate. Will you please teach me how to > love? > > > > > > K: No one can teach you how to love. If people could be taught > how to > > > love, the world problem would be very simple, would it not? If > we > > > could learn how to love from a book as we learn mathematics, > this > > > would be a marvelous world; there would be no hate, no > exploitation, > > > no wars, no division of rich and poor, and we would all be > really > > > friendly with each other. But love is not so easily come by. It > is > > > easy to hate, and hate brings people together after a fashion; > it > > > creates all kinds of fantasies, it brings about various types of > co- > > > operation, as in war. But love is much more difficult. You > cannot > > > learn how to love, but what you can do is to observe hate and > put it > > > gently aside. Don't battle against hate, don't say how terrible > it is > > > to hate people, but see hate for what it is and let it drop > away; > > > brush it aside, it is not important. What is important is not to > let > > > hate take root in your mind. Do you understand? Your mind is > like > > > rich soil, and if given sufficient time any problem that comes > along > > > takes root like a weed, and then you have the trouble of pulling > it > > > out; but if you do not give the problem sufficient time to take > root, > > > then it has no place to grow and it will wither away. If you > > > encourage hate, give it time to take root, to grow, to mature, > it > > > becomes an enormous problem. But if each time hate arises you > let it > > > go by, then you will find that your mind becomes very sensitive > > > without being sentimental; therefore it will know love. > > > > > > The mind can pursue sensations, desires, but it cannot pursue > love. > > > Love must come to the mind. And, when once love is there, it has > no > > > division as sensuous and divine: it is love. That is the > > > extraordinary thing about love: it is the only quality that > brings a > > > total comprehension of the whole of existence. > > > > > > > > > More quotes here: > > > > > > http://www.katinkahesselink.net/kr/love.html > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > --- > > > > > > > > I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with > fear. > > > > tyga > > > > > > > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that > fear is at > > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > > > > > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. > > Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write > simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to > introduce additional topics. > > Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is > taken away you instantly would drop dead. > > Werner yeah he was a scared and scary dude. that's why he lived so long. wonder what finally scared the crap out of him? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that > > fear is at > > > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > > > > > > > > > > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. > > > > Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write > > simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to > > introduce additional topics. > > > > Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is > > taken away you instantly would drop dead. > > > > Werner > > > yeah he was a scared and scary dude. > > that's why he lived so long. > > wonder what finally scared the crap out of him? > > .b b.b. > Sorry, Rob, But I have enormous problems with your American English which is filled with slang and typical words and expressions you adopted from street gangs (I suppose). When reading your posts I consctantly have to search through the dictionary which for me is very strenuous because of my bad eyesight. Sometimes I am lucky to find your special words but mostly not. Now: Fear is a movement away from. Life is a movement away from death. Therefore the movement of life is the movement of fear. If fear is taken away you instantly will drop dead. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that > > > fear is at > > > > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. > > > > > > Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write > > > simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to > > > introduce additional topics. > > > > > > Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is > > > taken away you instantly would drop dead. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yeah he was a scared and scary dude. > > > > that's why he lived so long. > > > > wonder what finally scared the crap out of him? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Sorry, Rob, > > But I have enormous problems with your American English which is > filled with slang and typical words and expressions you adopted from > street gangs (I suppose). > > When reading your posts I consctantly have to search through the > dictionary which for me is very strenuous because of my bad eyesight. > Sometimes I am lucky to find your special words but mostly not. > > Now: > > Fear is a movement away from. > Life is a movement away from death. > Therefore the movement of life is the movement of fear. > > If fear is taken away you instantly will drop dead. > > Werner > Extrapolation from words, interpretation of words are senseless only in the way they provide individual understanding and comprehension. Who knows about the source of life and death? Of fear and love? ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring that > > > fear is at > > > > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. > > > > > > Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write > > > simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to > > > introduce additional topics. > > > > > > Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is > > > taken away you instantly would drop dead. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > yeah he was a scared and scary dude. > > > > that's why he lived so long. > > > > wonder what finally scared the crap out of him? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Sorry, Rob, > > But I have enormous problems with your American English which is > filled with slang and typical words and expressions you adopted from > street gangs (I suppose). oh you're correct homey. I'za gangsta motherf***er. > When reading your posts I constantly have to search through the > dictionary which for me is very strenuous because of my bad eyesight. relax. and btw it's " constantly " not 'constantly'. > Sometimes I am lucky to find your special words but mostly not. > > Now: > > Fear is a movement away from. > Life is a movement away from death. > Therefore the movement of life is the movement of fear. > > If fear is taken away you instantly will drop dead. > > Werner that's what i'm talkin' bout when i am talkin' 'bout ugK. he stopped being a creepy little frightened monkey of a sudden. he be dead now. he never was. the scared little soldier was a phantasm like we. so is the fear and the love and the hate and the joy.. and all brave-heart bullshit too. and the dumb science. and the philosophy and psychology. it's all of a piece and it's all bologna. frightened children using self created toys to try and understand.. what is.. and what it is that they are afraid of. the greatest of these phantom fears is death. that's stupid. what never was will never cease to be. there's no future in any of it. eat.. drink.. make Mary. there's nothing wrong with feeling good when your nobody. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , souldreamone@ wrote: > > > > > > > > ***Not sure about confusing, but he does seem to be ignoring > that > > > > fear is at > > > > > the root, and not so easily 'brushed away'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > If fear easily can be brushed away would be a new topic, Phil. > > > > > > > > Maybe you haven't realized in my posts that I always try to write > > > > simple mails mostly strictly sticking to one topic and avoidung to > > > > introduce additional topics. > > > > > > > > Have you been into UG ? He said fear is part of life and if´fear is > > > > taken away you instantly would drop dead. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > yeah he was a scared and scary dude. > > > > > > that's why he lived so long. > > > > > > wonder what finally scared the crap out of him? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Sorry, Rob, > > > > But I have enormous problems with your American English which is > > filled with slang and typical words and expressions you adopted from > > street gangs (I suppose). > > > > When reading your posts I consctantly have to search through the > > dictionary which for me is very strenuous because of my bad eyesight. > > Sometimes I am lucky to find your special words but mostly not. > > > > Now: > > > > Fear is a movement away from. > > Life is a movement away from death. > > Therefore the movement of life is the movement of fear. > > > > If fear is taken away you instantly will drop dead. > > > > Werner > > > > > Extrapolation from words, interpretation of words are senseless only > in the way they provide individual understanding and comprehension. > > Who knows about the source of life and death? Of fear and love? > > ~A > You do Anna, You are the movment of life and fear. Don't escape into telling these are all just words and exploration of words. We are exchanging here on a forum with the help and means of language and words with all their fallacies and limitations. So please don't stigmatize words. It is already difficult enough to commune and express oneself to each other. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 29, 2008 Report Share Posted November 29, 2008 In a message dated 11/29/2008 2:48:40 A.M. Pacific Standard Time, Roberibus111 writes: Nisargadatta , tyga <tyga wrote:>> Werner Woehr wrote:> >>> > >>> > >> I could be wrong, but I think Jiddu might have confused hate with > >> > > fear.> > > >> tyga> >>> >> > >> >> > No, Tyga,> >> > Fear is the movement away from and hate is the violent movement > > towards to.> >> > Werner> >> >> >> > ---> >> > > The movement away from and the violent movement toward what?> > tygaand who is supposed to be making those 'movements'.stillness and silence are without motion or cause of motion.both subject and object are derivatives.this psyco-babble bullshit is counting angels where there ain't none.love,.b b.b. ***Fear is always based on a misconception. Doesn't mean it doesn't happen. Fear is the foundation for your condescending belligerence. Otherwise, there would be no need. Life should be easier. So should your homepage. Try the NEW AOL.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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