Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 I find this discussion of awareness interesting. I speculate that It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood and measured and more importantly it still leaves a need for the god of mind To be needed and used because we are afterall where would we be with less mind? scary shit. but awareness is whole nuther matter. awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. scary shit for an ego trying to survive. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > I speculate that > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > and measured and more importantly it still > leaves a need for the god of mind > To be needed and used because we are > afterall where would we be with less mind? > scary shit. > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > Mark > Awareness is be scary shit for egos, yes. Egos are driven by Ignorance. ..... To give a reason to such Ignorance.... Means, to give excuses for such Ignorance..... they invent the most intellectual concepts and theories...... they don't take any responsibility for such non-sense... they run away from such Ignorance.... they declare themself as " enlightened " etc....and also declare that there is No ego. they get all they Are....from an imaginary " awareness " .....some Gurus once talked about......etc ...... Intime, they feel to " get " " higher " responsibilities.....in order to save the world..... and much other Non-Sense. ...... They can't accept/understand....that they simply ignore their own little path to pass/to go....means, their little individual path through the world filled up with illusions.....their own illusions, due to their own Ignorance. (Karma...) ...... If they would know and See ....All this Non-Sense they cause around all the time.....only because of their little thinking ego-mind, dreaming.....and escaping truth. ....... But that's exactly what can be seen in here as for example! thats funny....indeed.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > I speculate that > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > and measured and more importantly it still > leaves a need for the god of mind > To be needed and used because we are > afterall where would we be with less mind? > scary shit. > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > Mark > Don't bother about ego, because: 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless conflicts because no one is an island. 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that situation. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > I speculate that > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > and measured and more importantly it still > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > To be needed and used because we are > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > scary shit. > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > Mark > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > conflicts because no one is an island. > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > situation. > > Werner bullshit. there is no 'situation'. who do you think you are? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > I speculate that > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > scary shit. > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > situation. > > > > Werner > > > bullshit. > > there is no 'situation'. > > who do you think you are? > > .b b.b. c'mon with you! who loves ya baby? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > I speculate that > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > scary shit. > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > situation. > > > > Werner > > > bullshit. > > there is no 'situation'. > > who do you think you are? > > .b b.b. > he think that he is a " situation " .... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > I speculate that > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are > social > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > accumulated > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with > alls > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > bundle of > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > > situation. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > Marc the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. he talks too much. nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never existed. that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. but then.. who's to pity? :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are > > social > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > accumulated > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with > > alls > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > > bundle of > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > Marc > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > he talks too much. > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never existed. > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > but then.. > > who's to pity? > > :-) > > .b b.b. > What a coward you are, Bob. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be > understood > > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the > survival > > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies > are > > > social > > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > > accumulated > > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society > with > > > alls > > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > > > bundle of > > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for > endless > > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are > that > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > > > he talks too much. > > > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never existed. > > > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > > > but then.. > > > > who's to pity? > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > What a coward you are, Bob. > > Werner oh my! now just who do you think that's really all about Mr. Milquetoast? the reverse side has a reverse side as well. LOL! you're afraid of your own shadow. a shadow afraid of it's shadow. now that's entertainment! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be > > understood > > > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the > > survival > > > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies > > are > > > > social > > > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > > > accumulated > > > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society > > with > > > > alls > > > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > > > > bundle of > > > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for > > endless > > > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are > > that > > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > > > > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > > > > > he talks too much. > > > > > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > > > > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never existed. > > > > > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > > > > > but then.. > > > > > > who's to pity? > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > What a coward you are, Bob. > > > > Werner > > > > > oh my! > > now just who do you think that's really all about Mr. Milquetoast? > > the reverse side has a reverse side as well. > > LOL! > > you're afraid of your own shadow. > > a shadow afraid of it's shadow. > > now that's entertainment! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > don't complicate now unnecessary The " situation " Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > <wwoehr@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be > > > understood > > > > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the > > > survival > > > > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these > strategies > > > are > > > > > social > > > > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > > > > accumulated > > > > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society > > > with > > > > > alls > > > > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just > a > > > > > bundle of > > > > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for > > > endless > > > > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you > are > > > that > > > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > > > > > > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > > > > > > > he talks too much. > > > > > > > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > > > > > > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never > existed. > > > > > > > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > > > > > > > but then.. > > > > > > > > who's to pity? > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a coward you are, Bob. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > oh my! > > > > now just who do you think that's really all about Mr. Milquetoast? > > > > the reverse side has a reverse side as well. > > > > LOL! > > > > you're afraid of your own shadow. > > > > a shadow afraid of it's shadow. > > > > now that's entertainment! > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > don't complicate now unnecessary The " situation " > > > > Marc what condition is this condition in? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > <wwoehr@> > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the > > > > survival > > > > > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these > > strategies > > > > are > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > > > > > accumulated > > > > > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society > > > > with > > > > > > alls > > > > > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just > > a > > > > > > bundle of > > > > > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for > > > > endless > > > > > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you > > are > > > > that > > > > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > > > > > > > > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > > > > > > > > > he talks too much. > > > > > > > > > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > > > > > > > > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never > > existed. > > > > > > > > > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > but then.. > > > > > > > > > > who's to pity? > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a coward you are, Bob. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my! > > > > > > now just who do you think that's really all about Mr. Milquetoast? > > > > > > the reverse side has a reverse side as well. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > you're afraid of your own shadow. > > > > > > a shadow afraid of it's shadow. > > > > > > now that's entertainment! > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > don't complicate now unnecessary The " situation " > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > what condition is this condition in? > > .b b.b. > it's the condition for unconditional acceptance of whatever " situation " ... be friendly with element " Werner " !! give him an unconditional chance to survive all his " situations " ... .....means, to survive himself.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > > > > > > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " > > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " > > > <wwoehr@> > > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > > > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be > > > > > understood > > > > > > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is > the > > > > > survival > > > > > > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these > > > strategies > > > > > are > > > > > > > social > > > > > > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also > one's > > > > > > > accumulated > > > > > > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within > society > > > > > with > > > > > > > alls > > > > > > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is > just > > > a > > > > > > > bundle of > > > > > > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial > for > > > > > endless > > > > > > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because > you > > > are > > > > > that > > > > > > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > bullshit. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no 'situation'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > who do you think you are? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > he think that he is a " situation " .... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the situation-less truth is the sound of an un-blown horn. > > > > > > > > > > > > arising as perfect emptiness according each and all. > > > > > > > > > > > > he talks too much. > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing emerges and nothing 'gets in'. > > > > > > > > > > > > there are no survival mechanisms for that which has never > > > existed. > > > > > > > > > > > > that talk sounds profound but it's pitifully ignorant. > > > > > > > > > > > > but then.. > > > > > > > > > > > > who's to pity? > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What a coward you are, Bob. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh my! > > > > > > > > now just who do you think that's really all about Mr. > Milquetoast? > > > > > > > > the reverse side has a reverse side as well. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > you're afraid of your own shadow. > > > > > > > > a shadow afraid of it's shadow. > > > > > > > > now that's entertainment! > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't complicate now unnecessary The " situation " > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > what condition is this condition in? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > it's the condition for unconditional acceptance of > whatever " situation " ... > > be friendly with element " Werner " !! > > give him an unconditional chance to survive all his " situations " ... > > ....means, to survive himself.... > > > > > Marc i'm the best friend the element werner has. he just doesn't know it. he never will. when 'he' is 'gone' the understanding will unfold. and there will be Joy in Heaven even as there is now already. until that time.. werner will let his little ego get pissed off and hurt and confused. that's the ticket! ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > I speculate that > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > and measured and more importantly it still > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > To be needed and used because we are > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > scary shit. > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > Mark > > > > > Awareness is be scary shit for egos, yes. > > Egos are driven by Ignorance. > > .... > > To give a reason to such Ignorance.... > > Means, to give excuses for such Ignorance..... > they invent the most intellectual concepts and theories...... > they don't take any responsibility for such non-sense... > they run away from such Ignorance.... > > they declare themself as " enlightened " etc....and also declare that > there is No ego. > > they get all they Are....from an imaginary " awareness " .....some Gurus > once talked about......etc > > ..... > > > Intime, they feel to " get " " higher " responsibilities.....in order to > save the world..... > > and much other Non-Sense. > > ..... > > They can't accept/understand....that they simply ignore their own > little path to pass/to go....means, their little individual path > through the world filled up with illusions.....their own illusions, > due to their own Ignorance. (Karma...) > > ..... > > > If they would know and See ....All this Non-Sense they cause around > all the time.....only because of their little thinking ego-mind, > dreaming.....and escaping truth. > > ...... > > > But that's exactly what can be seen in here as for example! > > thats funny....indeed.... > > > > > Marc > perhaps a rush to judgment there Marc? I lay no claim nor wish to enlighten(ment). the word is meaningless I only posted Nisargadatta's words on a forum named for him. Seemed like common sense place to do it, to me. but if you don't like my words you don't like his because I am just running quotes here. but I guess he has become old and passe yeah? ego is as real as mind is real duality and all that stuff I ain't above nuttin. but all can be quieted. there is the peace you speak to. The catch 22 here is that to write on this forum one must engage in mind. alliances are made, differances are compounded,enemies are attacked that is because vigilance in duality means using the mind till it points to quiet, but it's all good. well never mind then. . . Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > I speculate that > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > and measured and more importantly it still > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > To be needed and used because we are > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > scary shit. > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > Mark > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > conflicts because no one is an island. > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > situation. > > Werner P: Exactly! The situation called Mark, is trying to survive by identifying with spirituality. He is the fly that when about to be swatted by spirituality landed on the swatter handle. Pesky little fly! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > I speculate that > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > scary shit. > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Awareness is be scary shit for egos, yes. > > > > Egos are driven by Ignorance. > > > > .... > > > > To give a reason to such Ignorance.... > > > > Means, to give excuses for such Ignorance..... > > they invent the most intellectual concepts and theories...... > > they don't take any responsibility for such non-sense... > > they run away from such Ignorance.... > > > > they declare themself as " enlightened " etc....and also declare that > > there is No ego. > > > > they get all they Are....from an imaginary " awareness " .....some > Gurus > > once talked about......etc > > > > ..... > > > > > > Intime, they feel to " get " " higher " responsibilities.....in order > to > > save the world..... > > > > and much other Non-Sense. > > > > ..... > > > > They can't accept/understand....that they simply ignore their own > > little path to pass/to go....means, their little individual path > > through the world filled up with illusions.....their own illusions, > > due to their own Ignorance. (Karma...) > > > > ..... > > > > > > If they would know and See ....All this Non-Sense they cause around > > all the time.....only because of their little thinking ego-mind, > > dreaming.....and escaping truth. > > > > ...... > > > > > > But that's exactly what can be seen in here as for example! > > > > thats funny....indeed.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > perhaps a rush to judgment there Marc? > I lay no claim nor wish to enlighten(ment). > the word is meaningless > I only posted Nisargadatta's words on a forum > named for him. Seemed like common sense place to > do it, to me. > but if you don't like my words you don't > like his because I am just running quotes here. > but I guess he has become old and passe yeah? > ego is as real as mind is real > duality and all that stuff > I ain't above nuttin. > but all can be quieted. > there is the peace you speak to. > The catch 22 here is that to write on this forum > one must engage in mind. > alliances are made, differances are compounded,enemies are attacked > that is because vigilance in duality means using > the mind till it points to quiet, but it's all good. > well never mind then. . . > > Mark > nobody in person was in my mind....nobody in person to " judge " .... maybe more a view on some attitudes one can see here & there.... ..... your message is indeed peacefull.... So, good to read.... maybe nothing better to read....than about peace....in/from/about/within/through whatever form and words... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 19, 2008 Report Share Posted December 19, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > I speculate that > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > scary shit. > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are social > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's accumulated > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with alls > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a bundle of > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > situation. > > > > Werner > > P: Exactly! The situation called Mark, is trying > to survive by identifying with spirituality. He is > the fly that when about to be swatted by spirituality > landed on the swatter handle. Pesky little fly! > > > and Pete has flies in his mind.... still busy with/by this NDS fanatics?.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > I speculate that > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are > social > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > accumulated > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with > alls > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > bundle of > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > > situation. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Exactly! The situation called Mark, is trying > > to survive by identifying with spirituality. He is > > the fly that when about to be swatted by spirituality > > landed on the swatter handle. Pesky little fly! > > > > > > > > and Pete has flies in his mind.... > > still busy with/by this NDS fanatics?.... > > > > > Marc P: How many Marks does this list need? A Mark ending in c is still a Mark. A mark in the jargon of con men is a fool ripe for a swindle. And who is Dennis? Your roommate? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 It seems to me that the main point of contention in the group's current discussion is that some are saying that they are glimpsing beyond the mind, and speaking from that perspective, and at least one in the group believes that is just not possible. I for one, sit firmly on the side of those that say that by quieting the mind to passivity, even for just a brief moment, it is possible to glimpse beyond the thinking processes of the mind. Yes, I will accede to the point that as long as the mind is there, it will try to impose itself as a `player', and try to draw us into unsolvable circular type reasoning; however, it is always the case that the mind is not the boss of anyone, and never was. Admittedly, although the one that is looking at this process must wind its way through the faculties of higher reasoning, when that one then turns his/her/its attention onto itself, that is when we find that all hell breaks loose, because it is then that all mind, all experience, and even conscious awareness no longer apply. So anyone who tries to talk about this circumstance faces the insurmountable catch-22 of using the language of the mind to speak about something that is beyond the mind. This is a paradox that the mind is never comfortable with. Certainly, anyone can call this condition anything they like, and use whatever term or terms suits them, but the real fact of the matter is that there are no words that can touch this state. All words are limited to being at best, mere pointers, which I believe most on this site will also attest to. Anyone is also free to try to describe this state any way that they like, but again we are talking about something that by its nature is beyond description. Is there a way to satisfactorily convey this to everyone? Perhaps not. Nisargadatta found his way by implicitly trusting his guru. This is certainly one way, but not a way necessarily suited for all. However, one way which I believe is absolutely common to all is to break down all our defenses by a process of being brutally honest with our self, and ultimately trusting what we then see. Happy holidays to all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 20, 2008 Report Share Posted December 20, 2008 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " > > > > <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I find this discussion of awareness interesting. > > > > > I speculate that > > > > > It seems to have touched a nerve of mind. > > > > > Consciousness, I guess is allowed because it can be understood > > > > > and measured and more importantly it still > > > > > leaves a need for the god of mind > > > > > To be needed and used because we are > > > > > afterall where would we be with less mind? > > > > > scary shit. > > > > > > > > > > but awareness is whole nuther matter. > > > > > awareness is the whole enchilada. no difference, > > > > > so nothing for mind to grab a hold of. > > > > > scary shit for an ego trying to survive. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Don't bother about ego, because: > > > > > > > > 1) Who bothers ? Ego bothers. > > > > > > > > 2) There is no ego trying to survive. There just is the survival > > > > instinct with all its strategies. Part of these strategies are > > social > > > > ones like verbal language, body language and also one's > > accumulated > > > > identity which is needed to get recognized within society with > > alls > > > > its unavoidable cons. In short, what you call ego is just a > > bundle of > > > > survival strategies and all their inherent potentaial for endless > > > > conflicts because no one is an island. > > > > > > > > 3) You can do nothing about that situation because you are that > > > > situation. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Exactly! The situation called Mark, is trying > > > to survive by identifying with spirituality. He is > > > the fly that when about to be swatted by spirituality > > > landed on the swatter handle. Pesky little fly! > > > > > > > > > > > > > and Pete has flies in his mind.... > > > > still busy with/by this NDS fanatics?.... > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > P: How many Marks does this list need? > A Mark ending in c is still a Mark. A mark > in the jargon of con men is a fool ripe for > a swindle. And who is Dennis? Your roommate? > > > did you get such attitudes in the NDS fanatics club?.... Marc Ps: beware Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Nisargadatta , " mmoss2932 " <mmoss2932 wrote: > > > > It seems to me that the main point of contention in the group's > current discussion is that some are saying that they are glimpsing > beyond the mind, and speaking from that perspective, and at least one in > the group believes that is just not possible. I for one, sit firmly on > the side of those that say that by quieting the mind to passivity, even > for just a brief moment, it is possible to glimpse beyond the thinking > processes of the mind. Yes, I will accede to the point that as long as > the mind is there, it will try to impose itself as a `player', > and try to draw us into unsolvable circular type reasoning; however, it > is always the case that the mind is not the boss of anyone, and never > was. > > Admittedly, although the one that is looking at this process must wind > its way through the faculties of higher reasoning, when that one then > turns his/her/its attention onto itself, that is when we find that all > hell breaks loose, because it is then that all mind, all experience, and > even conscious awareness no longer apply. So anyone who tries to talk > about this circumstance faces the insurmountable catch-22 of using the > language of the mind to speak about something that is beyond the mind. > This is a paradox that the mind is never comfortable with. > > Certainly, anyone can call this condition anything they like, and use > whatever term or terms suits them, but the real fact of the matter is > that there are no words that can touch this state. All words are > limited to being at best, mere pointers, which I believe most on this > site will also attest to. Anyone is also free to try to describe this > state any way that they like, but again we are talking about something > that by its nature is beyond description. Is there a way to > satisfactorily convey this to everyone? Perhaps not. Nisargadatta > found his way by implicitly trusting his guru. This is certainly one > way, but not a way necessarily suited for all. However, one way which I > believe is absolutely common to all is to break down all our defenses by > a process of being brutally honest with our self, and ultimately > trusting what we then see. > > > > Happy holidays to all > well mmoss this is not the place for one who is seeking I am. so no brutal honesty only half truths and lies. Cause that's the game here. All it turns out to be is mind masterbating itself into replicating nothing. There is no self realization here. Some are better at hiding it than others. But no matter,it's all the same nonsense. And once that fact is cleared up then one becomes aware even more yet of what one is not. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 21, 2008 Report Share Posted December 21, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mmoss2932 " <mmoss2932@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems to me that the main point of contention in the group's > > current discussion is that some are saying that they are glimpsing > > beyond the mind, and speaking from that perspective, and at least > one in > > the group believes that is just not possible. I for one, sit > firmly on > > the side of those that say that by quieting the mind to passivity, > even > > for just a brief moment, it is possible to glimpse beyond the > thinking > > processes of the mind. Yes, I will accede to the point that as > long as > > the mind is there, it will try to impose itself as a `player', > > and try to draw us into unsolvable circular type reasoning; > however, it > > is always the case that the mind is not the boss of anyone, and > never > > was. > > > > Admittedly, although the one that is looking at this process must > wind > > its way through the faculties of higher reasoning, when that one > then > > turns his/her/its attention onto itself, that is when we find that > all > > hell breaks loose, because it is then that all mind, all > experience, and > > even conscious awareness no longer apply. So anyone who tries to > talk > > about this circumstance faces the insurmountable catch-22 of using > the > > language of the mind to speak about something that is beyond the > mind. > > This is a paradox that the mind is never comfortable with. > > > > Certainly, anyone can call this condition anything they like, and > use > > whatever term or terms suits them, but the real fact of the matter > is > > that there are no words that can touch this state. All words are > > limited to being at best, mere pointers, which I believe most on > this > > site will also attest to. Anyone is also free to try to describe > this > > state any way that they like, but again we are talking about > something > > that by its nature is beyond description. Is there a way to > > satisfactorily convey this to everyone? Perhaps not. Nisargadatta > > found his way by implicitly trusting his guru. This is certainly > one > > way, but not a way necessarily suited for all. However, one way > which I > > believe is absolutely common to all is to break down all our > defenses by > > a process of being brutally honest with our self, and ultimately > > trusting what we then see. > > > > > > > > Happy holidays to all > > > well mmoss this is not the place for one who is seeking I am. > so no brutal honesty only half truths and lies. Cause that's the game > here. > All it turns out to be is mind masterbating itself into replicating > nothing. There is no self realization here. > Some are better at hiding it than others. But no matter,it's all the > same nonsense. > And once that fact is cleared up then one becomes aware even more yet > of what one is not. > > Mark there are no such things as facts. once the awareness of that is clear.. there is no whining like you do. you're just upset. this may not be your bailiwick. tsk tsk! LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 22, 2008 Report Share Posted December 22, 2008 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " mmoss2932 " <mmoss2932@> > wrote: > > > > > > > > It seems to me that the main point of contention in the group's > > current discussion is that some are saying that they are glimpsing > > beyond the mind, and speaking from that perspective, and at least > one in > > the group believes that is just not possible. I for one, sit > firmly on > > the side of those that say that by quieting the mind to passivity, > even > > for just a brief moment, it is possible to glimpse beyond the > thinking > > processes of the mind. Yes, I will accede to the point that as > long as > > the mind is there, it will try to impose itself as a `player', > > and try to draw us into unsolvable circular type reasoning; > however, it > > is always the case that the mind is not the boss of anyone, and > never > > was. > > > > Admittedly, although the one that is looking at this process must > wind > > its way through the faculties of higher reasoning, when that one > then > > turns his/her/its attention onto itself, that is when we find that > all > > hell breaks loose, because it is then that all mind, all > experience, and > > even conscious awareness no longer apply. So anyone who tries to > talk > > about this circumstance faces the insurmountable catch-22 of using > the > > language of the mind to speak about something that is beyond the > mind. > > This is a paradox that the mind is never comfortable with. > > > > Certainly, anyone can call this condition anything they like, and > use > > whatever term or terms suits them, but the real fact of the matter > is > > that there are no words that can touch this state. All words are > > limited to being at best, mere pointers, which I believe most on > this > > site will also attest to. Anyone is also free to try to describe > this > > state any way that they like, but again we are talking about > something > > that by its nature is beyond description. Is there a way to > > satisfactorily convey this to everyone? Perhaps not. Nisargadatta > > found his way by implicitly trusting his guru. This is certainly > one > > way, but not a way necessarily suited for all. However, one way > which I > > believe is absolutely common to all is to break down all our > defenses by > > a process of being brutally honest with our self, and ultimately > > trusting what we then see. > > > > > > > > Happy holidays to all > > > well mmoss this is not the place for one who is seeking I am. > so no brutal honesty only half truths and lies. Cause that's the game > here. > All it turns out to be is mind masterbating itself into replicating > nothing. There is no self realization here. > Some are better at hiding it than others. But no matter,it's all the > same nonsense. > And once that fact is cleared up then one becomes aware even more yet > of what one is not. > > Mark at least....it's possible to see how pseudo non-dualits are & behave on/by their little ego-minded path.....being Subject of endless non- sense.... and being proudly busy to develop so called " unconditional love " for their little wholeness of world... Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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