Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Sri Nisargadatta's use of the word " consciousness " refers to the consciousness that is latent in the newborn and " evolves " to the I Am, and I Am so and so etc. Awareness is the word that he used for the Absolute, the Self. He very often said that consciousness leaves with the body and nothing remains, no memory. The body desintegrate in the elements and so does consciousness, with its memory, which exist through the food-body. He also said that the Absolute Awareness is awareness unaware of Itself. Thus one can concluded, that is an empty void sort of state, Self's natural state. He pointed out that if one can apperceive Truth, then one is liberated. That there is nothing to " do " , just BE. The Jnani is free of the I-Am-the-body idea which is the deluded state and abides in the Absolute Awareness always. Once the body is shead, the Jnani stay in the Absolute. This said, if one isn't a Jnani, and still under the delusion of I-Am- the-body, although having apperceived the Truth of I AM THAT, this knowledge in consciousness will leaves with the body. Two things. First, at the death of the body, whether of a Jnani or not, the Absolute State is the same. Thus " attaining " Jnani or not, makes no difference. Or, secondly, there is a difference, and if one isn't in the Sahaja state at the death of the body, one is still in ignorance and another birth as a human will be necessary. Although Sri Nisargadatta didn't beleive in reincarnation. Comments on this? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 > >Inner: He also said that the Absolute Awareness is awareness unaware of Itself. > Thus one can concluded, that is an empty void sort of state, Self's > natural state. P: Since you want comments, Do you have reasons to conclude that? If so, what are those reasons? > > > >Inner The Jnani is free of the I-Am-the-body idea which is the deluded state > and abides in the Absolute Awareness always. Once the body is shead, > the Jnani stay in the Absolute. P: Are you sure you got that right? Do you believe he thought there are disembodied Jnanies floating in the absolute? > >Inner: This said, if one isn't a Jnani, and still under the delusion of I-Am- > the-body, although having apperceived the Truth of I AM THAT, this > knowledge in consciousness will leaves with the body. > >Inner: Two things. First, at the death of the body, whether of a Jnani or not, > the Absolute State is the same. Thus " attaining " Jnani or not, makes no > difference. P: This seems to contradict the statement that a jnani stays in the absolute after death. > >Inner: Or, secondly, there is a difference, and if one isn't in the Sahaja > state at the death of the body, one is still in ignorance and another > birth as a human will be necessary. > > Although Sri Nisargadatta didn't beleive in reincarnation. P: How could he believe two contradictory things? Which one do you believe? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , "cerosoul" <pedsie6 wrote:>> > > > >Inner: He also said that the Absolute Awareness is awareness unaware> of Itself.> > Thus one can concluded, that is an empty void sort of state, Self's > > natural state.> > P: Since you want comments, Do you have reasons to conclude> that? If so, what are those reasons?> Sri Nisargadatta said that the Natural State, is Awareness unaware of itself. What is your conclusion then? > > > > > >Inner The Jnani is free of the I-Am-the-body idea which is the> deluded state > > and abides in the Absolute Awareness always. Once the body is shead, > > the Jnani stay in the Absolute.> > P: Are you sure you got that right? Do you believe> he thought there are disembodied Jnanies floating> in the absolute?> > No! That would imply duality. There is only One non-dual Absolute. Therefore, for a Jnani Reality is One. The Jnani is always abiding in Awareness, Sahaja. There is only Brahman. Unless you are always in Sahaja, then you are in duality, delusion, like Cerosol & innerself > >Inner: This said, if one isn't a Jnani, and still under the delusion> of I-Am-> > the-body, although having apperceived the Truth of I AM THAT, this > > knowledge in consciousness will leaves with the body. > > > > >Inner: Two things. First, at the death of the body, whether of a> Jnani or not, > > the Absolute State is the same. Thus "attaining" Jnani or not, makes no > > difference.> > P: This seems to contradict the statement that a jnani> stays in the absolute after death. EITHER, Jnani or not, all is Brahman, thus sheading the body, in ignorance, doesn't make any difference...OR> > > > >Inner: Or, secondly, there is a difference, and if one isn't in the> Sahaja > > state at the death of the body, one is still in ignorance and another > > birth as a human will be necessary.> > > > Although Sri Nisargadatta didn't beleive in reincarnation.> > P: How could he believe two contradictory things? Which one> do you believe?> >>These are the two points for comments. NOT what I believe! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 27, 2009 Report Share Posted January 27, 2009 Nisargadatta , " inneriself " <atma-vichara wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > >Inner: He also said that the Absolute Awareness is awareness unaware > > of Itself. > > > Thus one can concluded, that is an empty void sort of state, Self's > > > natural state. > > > > P: Since you want comments, Do you have reasons to conclude > > that? If so, what are those reasons? > > >Inner: Sri Nisargadatta said that the Natural State, is Awareness unaware of > itself. > > What is your conclusion then? P: Well, first let me thank you for joining enlightenedfiction If you have any comments feel free to post them. Regarding your conclusions let me say that the words Awareness, self, and natural state have no meaning outside of a brain. What Maharaj meant by the Absolute is not aware of itself is that the Absolute needs a brain to be aware, but then it misidentifies itself as an individual jiba. Realization happens when the brain sees itself as the mirror of that total unawareness which is the Absolute. When the brain of a jnani dies only unawareness remains. > > > > > > > > >Inner: The Jnani is free of the I-Am-the-body idea which is the > > deluded state > > > and abides in the Absolute Awareness always. Once the body is shead, > > > the Jnani stay in the Absolute. > > > > P: Are you sure you got that right? Do you believe > > he thought there are disembodied Jnanies floating > > in the absolute? > > > > > Inner:No! That would imply duality. There is only One non-dual Absolute. > Therefore, for a Jnani Reality is One. The Jnani is always abiding in > Awareness, Sahaja. There is only Brahman. P: But, you were talking about dead jnanis, were not you? > >Inner: Unless you are always in Sahaja, then you are in duality, delusion, like > Cerosol & innerself. P: I'm not deluded, I know that as long as I'm alive duality is how nonduality looks. There is no separation in duality, separation is the observer. Seeing two dogs is not duality; Seeing a Pete seeing two dogs is the separation we call duality. When there is no " I, " the 10,000 things are one. > > > > >Inner: This said, if one isn't a Jnani, and still under the delusion > > of I-Am- > > > the-body, although having apperceived the Truth of I AM THAT, this > > > knowledge in consciousness will leaves with the body. > > > > > > > >Inner: Two things. First, at the death of the body, whether of a > > Jnani or not, > > > the Absolute State is the same. Thus " attaining " Jnani or not, makes > no > > > difference. > > > > P: This seems to contradict the statement that a jnani > > stays in the absolute after death. > > EITHER, Jnani or not, all is Brahman, thus sheading the body, in > ignorance, doesn't make any difference...OR > > > > > > > >Inner: Or, secondly, there is a difference, and if one isn't in the > > Sahaja > > > state at the death of the body, one is still in ignorance and > another > > > birth as a human will be necessary. > > > > > > Although Sri Nisargadatta didn't beleive in reincarnation. > > > > P: How could he believe two contradictory things? Which one > > do you believe? > > > > > > Inner: These are the two points for comments. NOT what I believe! P: Well my comment is only the absolute reincarnates. What do you say? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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