Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant to indicate events are not real, or do not matter. The great insight of the phrase resides in pointing to the evanescent quality of events. The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, millions of people lived under its rule, and yet today for all those millions, the Roman Empire is as if it never happened. Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing ever happened the right scope. For all those dead Romans the Empire is as if it never happened, yet for us that Empire still has consequences in our language, culture, laws and political institutions. Consequences give reality to things and events. We consider things that have no consequences unreal. Since death erases all consequences for us, we can say that for the dead the whole universe never happened. I know some people believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me that is a cock and bull story. Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's gone without a trace. Each event could be like that if not held in memory. Truly for those that let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > to indicate events are not real, or do not > matter. > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > millions of people lived under its rule, and > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > Empire is as if it never happened. > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > ever happened the right scope. For all those > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > consequences in our language, culture, laws > and political institutions. > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > We consider things that have no consequences > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > universe never happened. I know some people > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > that is a cock and bull story. > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > Pete > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated event.........nothing (specifically) ever happens. " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future reference. The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the phantom in the machine. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 29, 2009 Report Share Posted January 29, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > > > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > > > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > > > to indicate events are not real, or do not > > > matter. > > > > > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > > > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > > > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > > > millions of people lived under its rule, and > > > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > > > Empire is as if it never happened. > > > > > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > > > ever happened the right scope. For all those > > > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > > > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > > > consequences in our language, culture, laws > > > and political institutions. > > > > > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > > > We consider things that have no consequences > > > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > > > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > > > universe never happened. I know some people > > > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > > > that is a cock and bull story. > > > > > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > > > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > > > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > > > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated > > " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated > event.........nothing > > (specifically) ever happens. > > > > " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture > > the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future > reference. > > > > The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the > > phantom in the machine. > > > > > > > Nicely said, Toomb and welcome back. > > Philosophically seen indeed nothing ever happens. > > But we are social beings which are collecting, reporting and > communicatiing to each other " events " which have to be met in an > adequate way to sustain the survival of the collective and of the > single member. > > And therefore constantly so called events are happening. > > Werner > > > Conceptual mind is nothing but the collection of conceptual-self -referential events stored in the brain's memory banks. " Events " seem real to it until it actually tries to intellectually isolate and describe one of these " event " things. Can you isolate and describe an " event " in your own life? toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > > to indicate events are not real, or do not > > matter. > > > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > > millions of people lived under its rule, and > > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > > Empire is as if it never happened. > > > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > > ever happened the right scope. For all those > > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > > consequences in our language, culture, laws > > and political institutions. > > > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > > We consider things that have no consequences > > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > > universe never happened. I know some people > > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > > that is a cock and bull story. > > > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > > > Pete > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated > " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated event.........nothing > (specifically) ever happens. > > " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture > the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future reference. > > The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the > phantom in the machine. > > > > toombaru P: Well, glad to see that your phantom machine got the impression that your protest against verbal cruelty in these lists was silly and that the perceived cruelty never happened. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin wrote: > > Perhaps a modern classic for seekers is the three volume book > called " Nothing Ever Happened. " > > The words " Nothing Ever Happened " come from a Sri H.W.L. Poonja better > known as Papaji. > The words speak for themselves and yet the joke is that one volume was > not enough for this book and so three were written. These three volumes > were needed to explain what this " Nothing Ever Happened " really means. > This is not the real joke. > > The real joke of this classic is that of all of the hundreds of > thousands, perhaps millions, of seekers who have read these three > volumes perhaps only a rare few know what these words " Nothing Ever > Happened " mean. For the rest three volumes are not enough. > And so the rest keep reading more and more books and volumes, and > seeking scriptures, gurus and gods, so that they can understand the > meaning of this word " nothing. " > Namaste, I haven't read the book but I bet like most Ramanaites he says nothing ever happened but there is an appearance and fall back on Sankaras apprehended teachings: You know there is Brahman, there is creation/appearance but it is all Brahman. The usual screeching halt at the Saguna Concept.....That is why I posited Para-Advaita or beyond non duality.............Tony Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Gene Polotas " <semmin wrote: > > Perhaps a modern classic for seekers is the three volume book > called " Nothing Ever Happened. " > > The words " Nothing Ever Happened " come from a Sri H.W.L. Poonja better > known as Papaji. > The words speak for themselves and yet the joke is that one volume was > not enough for this book and so three were written. These three volumes > were needed to explain what this " Nothing Ever Happened " really means. > This is not the real joke. > > The real joke of this classic is that of all of the hundreds of > thousands, perhaps millions, of seekers who have read these three > volumes perhaps only a rare few know what these words " Nothing Ever > Happened " mean. For the rest three volumes are not enough. > And so the rest keep reading more and more books and volumes, and > seeking scriptures, gurus and gods, so that they can understand the > meaning of this word " nothing. " P: So, Gene, are you one of those rare ones? If you are, then tell us. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > > to indicate events are not real, or do not > > matter. > > > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > > millions of people lived under its rule, and > > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > > Empire is as if it never happened. > > > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > > ever happened the right scope. For all those > > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > > consequences in our language, culture, laws > > and political institutions. > > > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > > We consider things that have no consequences > > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > > universe never happened. I know some people > > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > > that is a cock and bull story. > > > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > > > Pete > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated > " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated event.........nothing > (specifically) ever happens. > > " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture > the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future reference. > > The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the > phantom in the machine. > > > toombaru > nice to read you again..... what happened?.... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > > > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > > > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > > > to indicate events are not real, or do not > > > matter. > > > > > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > > > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > > > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > > > millions of people lived under its rule, and > > > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > > > Empire is as if it never happened. > > > > > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > > > ever happened the right scope. For all those > > > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > > > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > > > consequences in our language, culture, laws > > > and political institutions. > > > > > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > > > We consider things that have no consequences > > > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > > > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > > > universe never happened. I know some people > > > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > > > that is a cock and bull story. > > > > > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > > > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > > > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > > > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated > > " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated > event.........nothing > > (specifically) ever happens. > > > > " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture > > the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future > reference. > > > > The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the > > phantom in the machine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > nice to read you again..... > > what happened?.... > > > Marc nothing happened. only nothing and nothing alone. why hell... it's for whom the bell tolls! :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 30, 2009 Report Share Posted January 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " > <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > NEH encapsulates a great insight, but like > > > > all spiritual slogans, if taken literally, > > > > it becomes a huge misunderstanding meant > > > > to indicate events are not real, or do not > > > > matter. > > > > > > > > The great insight of the phrase resides in > > > > pointing to the evanescent quality of events. > > > > The Roman Empire lasted hundreds of years, > > > > millions of people lived under its rule, and > > > > yet today for all those millions, the Roman > > > > Empire is as if it never happened. > > > > > > > > Notice that " as if " gives the phrase nothing > > > > ever happened the right scope. For all those > > > > dead Romans the Empire is as if it never > > > > happened, yet for us that Empire still has > > > > consequences in our language, culture, laws > > > > and political institutions. > > > > > > > > Consequences give reality to things and events. > > > > We consider things that have no consequences > > > > unreal. Since death erases all consequences > > > > for us, we can say that for the dead the whole > > > > universe never happened. I know some people > > > > believe in reincarnation and karma, but for me > > > > that is a cock and bull story. > > > > > > > > Shit do happen when it happens, and then it's > > > > gone without a trace. Each event could be like > > > > that if not held in memory. Truly for those that > > > > let go, all things are as if nothing ever happened. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Nothing ever happened " means that since there can be no isolated > > > " event " and no isolated perceiver of an isolated > > event.........nothing > > > (specifically) ever happens. > > > > > > " Events " like " things " are the conceptual mind's attempts to capture > > > the flowing nature of reality and freeze frame it for future > > reference. > > > > > > The collection of impressions is then mistaken for reality by the > > > phantom in the machine. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > nice to read you again..... > > > > what happened?.... > > > > > > Marc > > > nothing happened. > > only nothing and nothing alone. > > why hell... > > it's for whom the bell tolls! > > :-) > > .b b.b. > it's of high importance all this non-happenings.... very high importance nobody knows exactly the real value of such importance... nobody knows the importance of values but let's think about it... maybe nobody will find out so about anything realy... lol Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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