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you can't be haughty unless you believe...

 

there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

 

you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

 

will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

 

making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

 

hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> you can't be haughty unless you believe...

>

> there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

>

> you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

>

> will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

>

> making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

>

> hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

>

 

 

There is a person believing in the existence of others and when he

gets angry about another he kills the other.

 

A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head and

when getting angry he won't kill others.

 

Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about others

just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

 

Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

world !

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> >

> > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> >

> > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> >

> > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> >

> > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> >

> > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

> >

>

>

> There is a person believing in the existence of others and when he

> gets angry about another he kills the other.

>

> A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head and

> when getting angry he won't kill others.

>

> Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about others

> just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

>

> Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> world !

>

> Werner

>

 

 

Factor our personal volition and watch what happens to your question.

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> >

> > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> >

> > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> >

> > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> >

> > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> >

> > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

> >

>

>

> There is a person believing in the existence of others and when he

> gets angry about another he kills the other.

>

> A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head and

> when getting angry he won't kill others.

>

> Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about others

> just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

 

 

 

Juicy morsel from Werner:

 

 

>

> Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> world !

>

> Werner

>

 

 

And who put that thought in your brain...and why do you beLIEve it

to be *true*? Who gives weight to any question or answer?

 

Sounds like your thoughts are crowding you in ;-)

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > >

> > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > >

> > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > >

> > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > >

> > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > >

> > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

humility...

> > >

> >

> >

> > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

he

> > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> >

> > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

and

> > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> >

> > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

others

> > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

>

>

>

> Juicy morsel from Werner:

>

>

> >

> > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > world !

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> And who put that thought in your brain...and why do you beLIEve it

> to be *true*? Who gives weight to any question or answer?

>

> Sounds like your thoughts are crowding you in ;-)

>

> ~A

>

 

 

I know, Anna, that question is not for the romantic and sentimental

part of a poet.

 

But what about the intellect of a poet getting confronted with the

relativity and interrelatedness of all and everything ?

 

Lopsidedly closing one's eyes or courageously facing it ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> >

> > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> >

> > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> >

> > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> >

> > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> >

> > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

> >

>

>

> There is a person believing in the existence of others and when he

> gets angry about another he kills the other.

>

> A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head and

> when getting angry he won't kill others.

>

> Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about others

> just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

>

> Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> world !

>

> Werner

>

 

in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point out..

 

nothing has value.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > >

> > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > >

> > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > >

> > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > >

> > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > >

> > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

humility...

> > >

> >

> >

> > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

he

> > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> >

> > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

and

> > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> >

> > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

others

> > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> >

> > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > world !

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

out..

>

> nothing has value.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

must be hard....to live with such " overpopulation " ....

 

;)

 

 

Marc

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > >

> > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > >

> > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > >

> > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > >

> > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > >

> > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

humility...

> > >

> >

> >

> > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

he

> > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> >

> > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

and

> > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> >

> > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

others

> > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> >

> > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > world !

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

out..

>

> nothing has value.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Not quite, Bob,

 

OTHERS have value.

 

Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

readers will react.

 

and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

 

Werner

 

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > >

> > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > >

> > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > > >

> > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > >

> > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > >

> > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> humility...

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

> he

> > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > >

> > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

> and

> > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > >

> > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> others

> > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > >

> > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > > world !

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> out..

> >

> > nothing has value.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Not quite, Bob,

>

> OTHERS have value.

>

> Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

> your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> readers will react.

>

> and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

>

> Werner

>

>

> Werner

>

 

 

Precisely Werner. Recently Steve Toth, a friend & poet, wrote the

following poem and posted it to Poetry Chaikhana Teahouse.

 

 

YOU ARE 3

 

You are the one whose incantations

arouse irrational emotions

You are the one

who dispenses with

the dictionary meanings of words

stripping away whatever snags

are impeding the transmission

of the essential vision

You are the one who follows

each exhale wherever it goes

You are the one with the catchy eyes

You are the one

 

You are the one

who lets verbal associations

bridge the gap

of loneliness between people

You are the one who utters things

ordinarily suppressed by the censor

of the conscious mind

You are the one who knows language is

tricky enough without obscuring it up

You are the one giving your best performance

prepared to keep nothing for yourself

You are the one

 

If enough people think of you

as a poet

will you eventually become

the poet they think you are

all put together?

Where are you going my gone ones?

I care for everybody

that's going through hell

Let not your hearts be beaten down

You are the only one

who knows what I am really saying

You are the one

 

Steve Toth

 

 

 

Yup, usually we say: *I am the One*...

 

~Anna

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > >

> > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > >

> > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > >

> > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > >

> > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > >

> > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named humility...

> > >

> >

> >

> > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when he

> > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> >

> > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head and

> > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> >

> > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about others

> > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> >

> > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > world !

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

> in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point out..

>

> nothing has value.

>

> .b b.b.

 

 

....what a worthless statement ;-)

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > >

> > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > >

> > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > > >

> > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > >

> > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > >

> > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> humility...

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

> he

> > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > >

> > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

> and

> > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > >

> > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> others

> > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > >

> > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > > world !

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

> > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> out..

> >

> > nothing has value.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Not quite, Bob,

>

> OTHERS have value.

>

> Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

> your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> readers will react.

>

> and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

>

> Werner

>

>

> Werner

 

 

who am i to deny anything?

 

nobody.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > >

> > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > >

> > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > >

> > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > >

> > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > humility...

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

> > he

> > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > >

> > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

> > and

> > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > >

> > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > others

> > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > >

> > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of our

> > > > world !

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > out..

> > >

> > > nothing has value.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Not quite, Bob,

> >

> > OTHERS have value.

> >

> > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

> > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > readers will react.

> >

> > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> who am i to deny anything?

>

> nobody.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

 

Do you deny your denying or affirm it?

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > humility...

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

> > > he

> > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

> > > and

> > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > > others

> > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

our

> > > > > world !

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > > out..

> > > >

> > > > nothing has value.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Not quite, Bob,

> > >

> > > OTHERS have value.

> > >

> > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

> > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > > readers will react.

> > >

> > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > who am i to deny anything?

> >

> > nobody.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

>

> Do you deny your denying or affirm it?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

i don't know.

 

i thought i asked a question.

 

not denying nor affirming nor stating anything any which-a-way.

 

just jawin' and wonderin' who i am...period.

 

that's why i asked " who am i to... " .

 

i don't know who or what i am..

 

nor do i know what's doing me as doing anything as a " doer " ..

 

or whatever that's supposed to " mean " .

 

whatever is the viewpoint believed..

 

is for all practical purposes the " answer " .

 

i don't beliieve anything.

 

so i don't have an answer.

 

however you see it shall be the way it is for you.

 

that's ok with me.

 

i have no opinion.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined " other " ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > humility...

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and when

> > > he

> > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his head

> > > and

> > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > > others

> > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

our

> > > > > world !

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > > out..

> > > >

> > > > nothing has value.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Not quite, Bob,

> > >

> > > OTHERS have value.

> > >

> > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to read

> > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > > readers will react.

> > >

> > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > who am i to deny anything?

> >

> > nobody.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

>

> Do you deny your denying or affirm it?

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

 

What's this *you* and *your* business?

 

Let's get that straight before we tackle

denying or affirming. ;-)

 

~A

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined

" other " ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > > humility...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and

when

> > > > he

> > > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

head

> > > > and

> > > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > > > others

> > > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

> our

> > > > > > world !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > > > out..

> > > > >

> > > > > nothing has value.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not quite, Bob,

> > > >

> > > > OTHERS have value.

> > > >

> > > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

read

> > > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > > > readers will react.

> > > >

> > > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > who am i to deny anything?

> > >

> > > nobody.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > Do you deny your denying or affirm it?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

>

>

> i don't know.

>

> i thought i asked a question.

>

> not denying nor affirming nor stating anything any which-a-way.

>

> just jawin' and wonderin' who i am...period.

>

> that's why i asked " who am i to... " .

>

> i don't know who or what i am..

>

> nor do i know what's doing me as doing anything as a " doer " ..

>

> or whatever that's supposed to " mean " .

>

> whatever is the viewpoint believed..

>

> is for all practical purposes the " answer " .

>

> i don't beliieve anything.

>

> so i don't have an answer.

>

> however you see it shall be the way it is for you.

>

> that's ok with me.

>

> i have no opinion.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

You just stated one.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> > > wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that imagined

> " other " ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > > > humility...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and

> when

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

> head

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know

about

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew

it ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

> > our

> > > > > > > world !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me

point

> > > > > out..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothing has value.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Not quite, Bob,

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHERS have value.

> > > > >

> > > > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

> read

> > > > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how

your

> > > > > readers will react.

> > > > >

> > > > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > who am i to deny anything?

> > > >

> > > > nobody.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Do you deny your denying or affirm it?

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > i don't know.

> >

> > i thought i asked a question.

> >

> > not denying nor affirming nor stating anything any which-a-way.

> >

> > just jawin' and wonderin' who i am...period.

> >

> > that's why i asked " who am i to... " .

> >

> > i don't know who or what i am..

> >

> > nor do i know what's doing me as doing anything as a " doer " ..

> >

> > or whatever that's supposed to " mean " .

> >

> > whatever is the viewpoint believed..

> >

> > is for all practical purposes the " answer " .

> >

> > i don't beliieve anything.

> >

> > so i don't have an answer.

> >

> > however you see it shall be the way it is for you.

> >

> > that's ok with me.

> >

> > i have no opinion.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> You just stated one.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

 

 

if that's your opinion ok.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > >

> > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > >

> > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that

imagined " other " ..

> > > > >

> > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > >

> > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > >

> > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > humility...

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and

when

> > he

> > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > >

> > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

head

> > and

> > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > >

> > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > others

> > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > >

> > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

our

> > > > world !

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > out..

> > >

> > > nothing has value.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Not quite, Bob,

> >

> > OTHERS have value.

> >

> > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

read

> > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > readers will react.

> >

> > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> >

> > Werner

> >

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> who am i to deny anything?

>

> nobody.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

Solipsism is a fascinating concept, Bob,

 

but nontheless it is onesided. It does not include one's

interrelatedness.

 

You are related to the postman, to the lady in the supermarket, to

the dog peeing at your car, to a child smiling at you etc, etc. And

all those I might enumerate one is related to again are related to

others, and they too, and they too, and they too ....

 

Can't it be that the motivation to again and again stress that

everything just happens in one's head and that others don't exist is

just an escape to face one's vulnerability to get hurt by

those " others " ?

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > >

> > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that

> imagined " other " ..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > humility...

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others and

> when

> > > he

> > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > >

> > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

> head

> > > and

> > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > >

> > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know about

> > > others

> > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew it ?

> > > > >

> > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation of

> our

> > > > > world !

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me point

> > > out..

> > > >

> > > > nothing has value.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Not quite, Bob,

> > >

> > > OTHERS have value.

> > >

> > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

> read

> > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how your

> > > readers will react.

> > >

> > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > who am i to deny anything?

> >

> > nobody.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> Solipsism is a fascinating concept, Bob,

>

> but nontheless it is onesided. It does not include one's

> interrelatedness.

>

> You are related to the postman, to the lady in the supermarket, to

> the dog peeing at your car, to a child smiling at you etc, etc. And

> all those I might enumerate one is related to again are related to

> others, and they too, and they too, and they too ....

>

> Can't it be that the motivation to again and again stress that

> everything just happens in one's head and that others don't exist is

> just an escape to face one's vulnerability to get hurt by

> those " others " ?

>

> Werner

 

 

it's not solipsism werner.

 

there is no belief in any self or SELF.

 

even no-self falls away.

 

no one to escape and nowhere to escape to...or from.

 

this is not a concept but That which makes concept possible.

 

it is not other than:

 

" the postman, to the lady in the supermarket...

 

....the dog peeing at your car.. a child smiling at you etc, etc. "

 

It is none other.

 

none other is It.

 

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

<Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

<wwoehr@>

> > wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that

> > imagined " other " ..

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > > humility...

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others

and

> > when

> > > > he

> > > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

> > head

> > > > and

> > > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know

about

> > > > others

> > > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew

it ?

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation

of

> > our

> > > > > > world !

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Werner

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me

point

> > > > out..

> > > > >

> > > > > nothing has value.

> > > > >

> > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Not quite, Bob,

> > > >

> > > > OTHERS have value.

> > > >

> > > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

> > read

> > > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how

your

> > > > readers will react.

> > > >

> > > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > >

> > >

> > > who am i to deny anything?

> > >

> > > nobody.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> > Solipsism is a fascinating concept, Bob,

> >

> > but nontheless it is onesided. It does not include one's

> > interrelatedness.

> >

> > You are related to the postman, to the lady in the supermarket,

to

> > the dog peeing at your car, to a child smiling at you etc, etc.

And

> > all those I might enumerate one is related to again are related

to

> > others, and they too, and they too, and they too ....

> >

> > Can't it be that the motivation to again and again stress that

> > everything just happens in one's head and that others don't exist

is

> > just an escape to face one's vulnerability to get hurt by

> > those " others " ?

> >

> > Werner

>

>

> it's not solipsism werner.

>

> there is no belief in any self or SELF.

>

> even no-self falls away.

>

> no one to escape and nowhere to escape to...or from.

>

> this is not a concept but That which makes concept possible.

>

> it is not other than:

>

> " the postman, to the lady in the supermarket...

>

> ...the dog peeing at your car.. a child smiling at you etc, etc. "

>

> It is none other.

>

> none other is It.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

When was the last time you were shedding tears, Bob ?

 

Shedding tears would reveal your dependency on someone else, wouldn't

it ?

 

" Boys don't cry " is the wellknown demand from parents who don't want

to get confronted with their own vulnerability.

 

The denial of all and everything and at the same time establishing

the image of a Superman, as Nietzsche did, is the typical escapism

found in existentialism not to get confronted with one's dependencies

and with one's vulnerability.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr "

> <wwoehr@>

> > > wrote:

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 "

> > > > > > > <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you can't be haughty unless you believe...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > there is a someone or a something to be haughty with.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > you must be convinced furthermore that that

> > > imagined " other " ..

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > will perceive " you " as being arrogant.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > making the One... two... comes in many shapes and sizes.

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > > > hmmm...if here breaks off a " piece " of the whole named

> > > > > humility...

> > > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > There is a person believing in the existence of others

> and

> > > when

> > > > > he

> > > > > > > gets angry about another he kills the other.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > A second person knows that others are just an idea in his

> > > head

> > > > > and

> > > > > > > when getting angry he won't kill others.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Who of both is of more value, the one who does not know

> about

> > > > > others

> > > > > > > just being ideas in his head or the one who already knew

> it ?

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Please see this question in respect to the overpopulation

> of

> > > our

> > > > > > > world !

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Werner

> > > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > in all humility and not wanting to appear arrogant let me

> point

> > > > > out..

> > > > > >

> > > > > > nothing has value.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > .b b.b.

> > > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Not quite, Bob,

> > > > >

> > > > > OTHERS have value.

> > > > >

> > > > > Without others there would be no one to post to and no one to

> > > read

> > > > > your posts. And you could not experience the excitement how

> your

> > > > > readers will react.

> > > > >

> > > > > and there also would be no one whos existence you could deny.

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Werner

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > who am i to deny anything?

> > > >

> > > > nobody.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Solipsism is a fascinating concept, Bob,

> > >

> > > but nontheless it is onesided. It does not include one's

> > > interrelatedness.

> > >

> > > You are related to the postman, to the lady in the supermarket,

> to

> > > the dog peeing at your car, to a child smiling at you etc, etc.

> And

> > > all those I might enumerate one is related to again are related

> to

> > > others, and they too, and they too, and they too ....

> > >

> > > Can't it be that the motivation to again and again stress that

> > > everything just happens in one's head and that others don't exist

> is

> > > just an escape to face one's vulnerability to get hurt by

> > > those " others " ?

> > >

> > > Werner

> >

> >

> > it's not solipsism werner.

> >

> > there is no belief in any self or SELF.

> >

> > even no-self falls away.

> >

> > no one to escape and nowhere to escape to...or from.

> >

> > this is not a concept but That which makes concept possible.

> >

> > it is not other than:

> >

> > " the postman, to the lady in the supermarket...

> >

> > ...the dog peeing at your car.. a child smiling at you etc, etc. "

> >

> > It is none other.

> >

> > none other is It.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

> When was the last time you were shedding tears, Bob ?

>

> Shedding tears would reveal your dependency on someone else, wouldn't

> it ?

>

> " Boys don't cry " is the wellknown demand from parents who don't want

> to get confronted with their own vulnerability.

>

> The denial of all and everything and at the same time establishing

> the image of a Superman, as Nietzsche did, is the typical escapism

> found in existentialism not to get confronted with one's dependencies

> and with one's vulnerability.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

i suppose when the supposition is that there is a someone..

 

that the one of that some will have dependencies and vulnerabilities.

 

hell..i'll give you that they are synonymous.

 

and all of that craziness loving crying...

 

occurring now as all that is..

 

beautiful painful hateful lovable tolerable boring awesome.....

 

(if you're emotional a tear could fall)

 

but when the illusion of being that someone..

 

that one of the some...

 

is dropped.

 

ALL IS.

 

and the sum of the somes is still neat to play in..

 

but c'mon!

 

..b b.b.

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