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> > >

> > > why do you write all this words to this self-important people in

> > > here......?

> > > do you realy believe that anybody in here would ever agree

> > > with " you " ....

> > >

> > > their disagreement with whatever words are just a sign of their

> > > disagreement with Self....

> > >

> > > an endless battle and useless game....until death.

> > >

> > > when there is death, indeed, it's too late to meditate...:)

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> > useless and pointless question by the all foolish and unknowing me:

> >

> > which are the endlessly battling self-important people in here?

>

>

> -i have no idea about....who could know that....if not

> themselfs....lol

>

> >

> > are you saying it's too late to meditate after death..

>

>

> -yes, like it's also too late to eat and sleep and also having a

> walk....etc

 

 

 

 

 

so if i had it.. i had it.... and if i didn't..i didn't.

 

just so.

 

but:

 

if i could of had had it, it would have been had, had it been so.

 

so:

 

it's madder and madder no time for the shows.

 

even sooner is later and the beginning's the close.

 

Stillness looms and approaches.

 

nothing's left but wee roaches.

 

dang!

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

>

> > or that it's to soon to meditate before death?

> >

> > meditation is sort of strange in either case.

> >

> > the ends of the sentence lines found in..

> >

> > this paragraph are moving inwards.

> >

> > isn't that interesting?

> >

> > no? oh well.. hell.

> >

> > your meditation.

> >

> > .b b.b

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

>

> Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i

identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on

the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i

see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the

verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity

which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable.

i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know

it is there because of the lamp & light..  i know iit is the source of

light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc.

if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light

to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there

because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to

meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and

even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i dont

> have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source

(electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i

am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is there.

>  i am that.

> -mahesh   

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> roberibus111 <Roberibus111

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM

> Re: Stop, look, and listen

>

>

> Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> wrote:

> >

> > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be in a

> > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object of a

> > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the light

> > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as lamp

> > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as absence of

> > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be described as

> > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am

> > that.

> > -mahesh

>

> that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax.

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

An identified I........even if it identifies with

All-That-Is............is still an identified I.

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> >

> > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i

> identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on

> the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i

> see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the

> verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity

> which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable.

> i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know

> it is there because of the lamp & light..  i know iit is the source of

> light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc.

> if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light

> to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there

> because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to

> meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and

> even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i

dont

> > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source

> (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i

> am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is

there.

> >  i am that.

> > -mahesh   

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@>

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM

> > Re: Stop, look, and listen

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> wrote:

> > >

> > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be

in a

> > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object

of a

> > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the light

> > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as

lamp

> > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as

absence of

> > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be

described as

> > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am

> > > that.

> > > -mahesh

> >

> > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> An identified I........even if it identifies with

> All-That-Is............is still an identified I.

>

>

>

> toombaru

 

 

yeah..so what?

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111

wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i

> > identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on

> > the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i

> > see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the

> > verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity

> > which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable.

> > i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know

> > it is there because of the lamp & light..  i know iit is the source of

> > light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc.

> > if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light

> > to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there

> > because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to

> > meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and

> > even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i

> dont

> > > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source

> > (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i

> > am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is

> there.

> > >  i am that.

> > > -mahesh   

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > ________________________________

> > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@>

> > > Nisargadatta

> > > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM

> > > Re: Stop, look, and listen

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be

> in a

> > > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object

> of a

> > > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the

light

> > > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as

> lamp

> > > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as

> absence of

> > > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be

> described as

> > > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am

> > > > that.

> > > > -mahesh

> > >

> > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax.

> > >

> > > .b b.b.

> > >

> >

> >

> > An identified I........even if it identifies with

> > All-That-Is............is still an identified I.

> >

> >

> >

> > toombaru

>

>

> yeah..so what?

>

> .b b.b.

>

 

 

It is the I am......in all of its imagined forms.....that is center of

its own illusoru dream of separation.

 

It believes that it is " enlightened " when it diffuses into its

conceptual realm.

 

But alas.........it is still very much alive.

 

Only now it is identified with what it imagines to be the " Totality " .

 

It seldom dawns that it has become identified with a conceptual totality.

 

People in this stage wander around the dream.......with a goofy grin.

 

Sometimes they write books.......get a group of followers that ask

them the same questions over and over......and get the same

answers.......over and over.

 

 

For consciousness.....there is nothing beyond the diffusion stage.

 

 

There is another..........what-ever-it-is........but that cannot be

converted into a context that the conceptual mind can grasp.

 

 

 

That is the " dead stop " beyond which thought cannot go.

 

 

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@>

> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i

> > > identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on

> > > the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i

> > > see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is

on the

> > > verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity

> > > which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself

as indescriable.

> > > i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i

know

> > > it is there because of the lamp & light..  i know iit is the

source of

> > > light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc

etc.

> > > if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives

light

> > > to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there

> > > because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to

> > > meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and

> > > even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i

> > dont

> > > > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the

source

> > > (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) &

object (lamp). i

> > > am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is

> > there.

> > > >  i am that.

> > > > -mahesh   

> > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > ________________________________

> > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@>

> > > > Nisargadatta

> > > > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM

> > > > Re: Stop, look, and listen

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .>

> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be

> > in a

> > > > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object

> > of a

> > > > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the

> light

> > > > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as

> > lamp

> > > > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as

> > absence of

> > > > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be

> > described as

> > > > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa.

I am

> > > > > that.

> > > > > -mahesh

> > > >

> > > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax.

> > > >

> > > > .b b.b.

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > An identified I........even if it identifies with

> > > All-That-Is............is still an identified I.

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > toombaru

> >

> >

> > yeah..so what?

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

>

>

> It is the I am......in all of its imagined forms.....that is center of

> its own illusoru dream of separation.

>

> It believes that it is " enlightened " when it diffuses into its

> conceptual realm.

>

> But alas.........it is still very much alive.

>

> Only now it is identified with what it imagines to be the " Totality " .

>

> It seldom dawns that it has become identified with a conceptual

totality.

>

> People in this stage wander around the dream.......with a goofy grin.

>

> Sometimes they write books.......get a group of followers that ask

> them the same questions over and over......and get the same

> answers.......over and over.

>

>

> For consciousness.....there is nothing beyond the diffusion stage.

>

>

> There is another..........what-ever-it-is........but that cannot be

> converted into a context that the conceptual mind can grasp.

>

>

>

> That is the " dead stop " beyond which thought cannot go.

>

>

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

oh that!

 

well sure 'nough..

 

..b b.b.

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