Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 > > > > > > why do you write all this words to this self-important people in > > > here......? > > > do you realy believe that anybody in here would ever agree > > > with " you " .... > > > > > > their disagreement with whatever words are just a sign of their > > > disagreement with Self.... > > > > > > an endless battle and useless game....until death. > > > > > > when there is death, indeed, it's too late to meditate... > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > useless and pointless question by the all foolish and unknowing me: > > > > which are the endlessly battling self-important people in here? > > > -i have no idea about....who could know that....if not > themselfs....lol > > > > > are you saying it's too late to meditate after death.. > > > -yes, like it's also too late to eat and sleep and also having a > walk....etc so if i had it.. i had it.... and if i didn't..i didn't. just so. but: if i could of had had it, it would have been had, had it been so. so: it's madder and madder no time for the shows. even sooner is later and the beginning's the close. Stillness looms and approaches. nothing's left but wee roaches. dang! ..b b.b. > > > or that it's to soon to meditate before death? > > > > meditation is sort of strange in either case. > > > > the ends of the sentence lines found in.. > > > > this paragraph are moving inwards. > > > > isn't that interesting? > > > > no? oh well.. hell. > > > > your meditation. > > > > .b b.b > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable. i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know it is there because of the lamp & light.. i know iit is the source of light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc. if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i dont > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is there. > i am that. > -mahesh > > > > ________________________________ > roberibus111 <Roberibus111 > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM > Re: Stop, look, and listen > > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> wrote: > > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be in a > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object of a > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the light > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as lamp > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as absence of > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be described as > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am > > that. > > -mahesh > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax. > > .b b.b. > An identified I........even if it identifies with All-That-Is............is still an identified I. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i > identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on > the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i > see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the > verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity > which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable. > i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know > it is there because of the lamp & light.. i know iit is the source of > light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc. > if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light > to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there > because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to > meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and > even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i dont > > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source > (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i > am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is there. > > i am that. > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM > > Re: Stop, look, and listen > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> wrote: > > > > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be in a > > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object of a > > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the light > > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as lamp > > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as absence of > > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be described as > > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am > > > that. > > > -mahesh > > > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > An identified I........even if it identifies with > All-That-Is............is still an identified I. > > > > toombaru yeah..so what? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i > > identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on > > the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i > > see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the > > verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity > > which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable. > > i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know > > it is there because of the lamp & light.. i know iit is the source of > > light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc. > > if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light > > to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there > > because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to > > meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and > > even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i > dont > > > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source > > (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i > > am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is > there. > > > i am that. > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> > > > Nisargadatta > > > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM > > > Re: Stop, look, and listen > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> wrote: > > > > > > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be > in a > > > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object > of a > > > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the light > > > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as > lamp > > > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as > absence of > > > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be > described as > > > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am > > > > that. > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > An identified I........even if it identifies with > > All-That-Is............is still an identified I. > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > yeah..so what? > > .b b.b. > It is the I am......in all of its imagined forms.....that is center of its own illusoru dream of separation. It believes that it is " enlightened " when it diffuses into its conceptual realm. But alas.........it is still very much alive. Only now it is identified with what it imagines to be the " Totality " . It seldom dawns that it has become identified with a conceptual totality. People in this stage wander around the dream.......with a goofy grin. Sometimes they write books.......get a group of followers that ask them the same questions over and over......and get the same answers.......over and over. For consciousness.....there is nothing beyond the diffusion stage. There is another..........what-ever-it-is........but that cannot be converted into a context that the conceptual mind can grasp. That is the " dead stop " beyond which thought cannot go. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Can i identify myself as a lamp or light or electricity; if i > > > identify myself as a lamp i see myself as an instrument which is on > > > the verge of getting worn out, if i identify myself as light then i > > > see myself getting dimmer & dimmer with the soot formation & is on the > > > verge of getting withered out, if i identify myself as electricity > > > which is the source of the lamp & light i see myself as indescriable. > > > i cannot see it or feel it or smell it or taste it or hear it. i know > > > it is there because of the lamp & light.. i know iit is the source of > > > light & the lamp, source of inertia in the engine or machine etc etc. > > > if i am indescriable i only know myself as a source which gives light > > > to the lamp, inertia to the engine/machine then my identity is there > > > because of the lamp & light / engine & inertia. do i have to > > > meditate on the lamp (body) or the light (mind) to know myself and > > > even if i have to meditate on whom, for what or who is meditating. i > > dont > > > > have to prove myself that i am eternal. i know that i am the source > > > (electricity) & my identity is the subject (light) & object (lamp). i > > > am the unknown principle that rules. i am there hence everything is > > there. > > > > i am that. > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > > > roberibus111 <Roberibus111@> > > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Wednesday, February 4, 2009 9:32:00 PM > > > > Re: Stop, look, and listen > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " mv.kamat " <mv.kamat@ .> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > till i am identifying myself as an object of a subject i will be > > in a > > > > > conceptual world of discovering reality. i am neither an object > > of a > > > > > subject nor a subject of the object. i can see the lamp & the > light > > > > > but the truth is the electricity which cannot describe itself as > > lamp > > > > > or light. i illumine the universe i cannot be described as > > absence of > > > > > darkness or presence of light & vice versa. i cannot be > > described as > > > > > presence of creation or absence of dissolution & vice versa. I am > > > > > that. > > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > that and $1..10 will get you a medium cup of coffee with tax. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > An identified I........even if it identifies with > > > All-That-Is............is still an identified I. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > yeah..so what? > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > It is the I am......in all of its imagined forms.....that is center of > its own illusoru dream of separation. > > It believes that it is " enlightened " when it diffuses into its > conceptual realm. > > But alas.........it is still very much alive. > > Only now it is identified with what it imagines to be the " Totality " . > > It seldom dawns that it has become identified with a conceptual totality. > > People in this stage wander around the dream.......with a goofy grin. > > Sometimes they write books.......get a group of followers that ask > them the same questions over and over......and get the same > answers.......over and over. > > > For consciousness.....there is nothing beyond the diffusion stage. > > > There is another..........what-ever-it-is........but that cannot be > converted into a context that the conceptual mind can grasp. > > > > That is the " dead stop " beyond which thought cannot go. > > > > > > toombaru > oh that! well sure 'nough.. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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