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GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

 

GuruRatings , Sarlo <sarlo@> wrote:

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> At 04:06 PM 10/25/07, Melody wrote:

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> > > miracles ARE natural law.

> > >

> > > They seem miraculous..

> > > precisely because natural laws are NOT understood!

> > >

> > > Hence the term " miracle " .

> > > It is a term relative to ignorance

> >

> >Good post, Sai!

>

> I second that!

>

> >I'm open to the possibility that there is, indeed, a natural law

that

> >could account for all happenings.

> >

> >I certainly don't pretend to know them all.

> >

> >But that doesn't change my sense of wonder and awe at the working

of

> >the natural world. I still enjoy appreciating it all as rather

> >miraculous. :-)

>

> Right, thanks. Everyday miracles.

>

> Science destroys miracles in two ways: legitimately, by debunking

fakery,

> and illegimately by ruining wonder, ie by substituting an ersatz

fact- and

> theory-based knowing for a direct childlike wonder. For those who

don't

> enjoy the wonder route, whose " natural predilections " are more left-

brain,

> okay, enjoy your world where everything must have a rational

explanation,

> but if it's not possible to allow others their non-rational

wonders, then

> that suggests a certain insecurity about the conceptual edifice.

Examine

> that structure then, if you want to be free from (pre-)conceptions.

>

> Concerns that the non-rational has too much bullying-power in the

world as

> presently constituted are valid up to a point but there surely

comes a

> point where insisting on this among friends is just as bullying,

and is

> inappropriate in that context.

>

> Sarlo

 

Namaste Sarlo,

 

I personally don't believe that so called miracles ARE natural law.

That is the usual description of the cultists and miracle mongers.

They are above, or beyond natural law, for most originate on the so

called astral or subtle/mind planes of pre manifestation. Natural law

by definition only applies to the gross material plane........

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Definition, by definition, is meaningless.

 

Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

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> Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible.

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " wrote:

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> Definition, by definition, is meaningless.

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> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible.

> > toombaru

 

Namaste H,..

 

John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as

illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it

would be real instead of mind projections.

 

Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were

able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into

the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of

the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just

projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to

speak...Cheers Tony.

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Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery

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Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote:

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> Definition, by definition, is meaningless.

>

> Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@>

wrote:

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> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible.

> > toombaru

 

Namaste H,..

 

John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as

illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it

would be real instead of mind projections.

 

Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were

able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised

into

the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat

of

the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just

projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to

speak...Cheers Tony.

 

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Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote:

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> > Definition, by definition, is meaningless.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

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> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible.

> > > toombaru

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> Namaste H,..

>

> John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as

> illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it

> would be real instead of mind projections.

>

> Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were

> able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into

> the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of

> the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just

> projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to

> speak...Cheers Tony.

>

 

 

 

astonishing.

 

seek help soon.

 

cheers

 

..b b.b.

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identity as i is a miracle, absence of identity as i is real.

-mahesh

 

 

 

Tony OClery <aocleryNisargadatta Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:42:26 PM Re: Miracles

 

Nisargadatta, "harshaimtm" wrote:>> Definition, by definition, is meaningless.> > Nisargadatta, "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> wrote:> >> > > > > > > > > > Miracles.... .....by definition.. .......are impossible.> > toombaruNamaste H,..John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it would be real instead of mind projections.Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were able to take any form

and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to speak...Cheers Tony.

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Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote:

> >

> > Definition, by definition, is meaningless.

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote:

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible.

> > > toombaru

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> Namaste H,..

>

> John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as

> illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it

> would be real instead of mind projections.

>

> Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were

> able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into

> the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of

> the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just

> projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to

> speak...Cheers Tony.

 

P: I wonder if you see how believing such

nonsense automatically disqualifies you to

be considered as a jnani? Unless, you also

believe, there such things as gullible, deluded

jnanis.

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