Guest guest Posted October 26, 2007 Report Share Posted October 26, 2007 GuruRatings , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: GuruRatings , Sarlo <sarlo@> wrote: > > At 04:06 PM 10/25/07, Melody wrote: > > > > miracles ARE natural law. > > > > > > They seem miraculous.. > > > precisely because natural laws are NOT understood! > > > > > > Hence the term " miracle " . > > > It is a term relative to ignorance > > > >Good post, Sai! > > I second that! > > >I'm open to the possibility that there is, indeed, a natural law that > >could account for all happenings. > > > >I certainly don't pretend to know them all. > > > >But that doesn't change my sense of wonder and awe at the working of > >the natural world. I still enjoy appreciating it all as rather > >miraculous. :-) > > Right, thanks. Everyday miracles. > > Science destroys miracles in two ways: legitimately, by debunking fakery, > and illegimately by ruining wonder, ie by substituting an ersatz fact- and > theory-based knowing for a direct childlike wonder. For those who don't > enjoy the wonder route, whose " natural predilections " are more left- brain, > okay, enjoy your world where everything must have a rational explanation, > but if it's not possible to allow others their non-rational wonders, then > that suggests a certain insecurity about the conceptual edifice. Examine > that structure then, if you want to be free from (pre-)conceptions. > > Concerns that the non-rational has too much bullying-power in the world as > presently constituted are valid up to a point but there surely comes a > point where insisting on this among friends is just as bullying, and is > inappropriate in that context. > > Sarlo Namaste Sarlo, I personally don't believe that so called miracles ARE natural law. That is the usual description of the cultists and miracle mongers. They are above, or beyond natural law, for most originate on the so called astral or subtle/mind planes of pre manifestation. Natural law by definition only applies to the gross material plane........ --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2009 Report Share Posted February 4, 2009 Definition, by definition, is meaningless. Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > > > > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " wrote: > > Definition, by definition, is meaningless. > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. > > toombaru Namaste H,.. John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it would be real instead of mind projections. Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to speak...Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote: > > Definition, by definition, is meaningless. > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. > > toombaru Namaste H,.. John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it would be real instead of mind projections. Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to speak...Cheers Tony. --- End forwarded message --- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 5, 2009 Report Share Posted February 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Definition, by definition, is meaningless. > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. > > > toombaru > > Namaste H,.. > > John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as > illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it > would be real instead of mind projections. > > Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were > able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into > the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of > the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just > projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to > speak...Cheers Tony. > astonishing. seek help soon. cheers ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 identity as i is a miracle, absence of identity as i is real. -mahesh Tony OClery <aocleryNisargadatta Sent: Thursday, February 5, 2009 11:42:26 PM Re: Miracles Nisargadatta, "harshaimtm" wrote:>> Definition, by definition, is meaningless.> > Nisargadatta, "toombaru2006" <lastrain@> wrote:> >> > > > > > > > > > Miracles.... .....by definition.. .......are impossible.> > toombaruNamaste H,..John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it would be real instead of mind projections.Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to speak...Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 6, 2009 Report Share Posted February 6, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " harshaimtm " <harsha@> wrote: > > > > Definition, by definition, is meaningless. > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Miracles.........by definition.........are impossible. > > > toombaru > > Namaste H,.. > > John Lennon said 'I suppose anything is possible'. And actually as > illusion is just that, illusion, anything is possible, otherwise it > would be real instead of mind projections. > > Many millions of years ago on this planet the 'Astral Descents' were > able to take any form and shape-shift, as they had not concretised into > the material. It became more difficult for them as they began to eat of > the fruits of the material earth. Material manifestation is just > projection of mind---everything is actually a miracle....so to > speak...Cheers Tony. P: I wonder if you see how believing such nonsense automatically disqualifies you to be considered as a jnani? Unless, you also believe, there such things as gullible, deluded jnanis. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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