Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu Wei an > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world as one > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and comparing it > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears as so > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf person > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb objects no > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent one's > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable to say > that the object IS the subject. > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which sees or a > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world and the > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer IS the > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > Werner nothing " is " ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu Wei an > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world as one > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and comparing it > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears as so > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf person > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb objects no > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent one's > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable to say > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which sees or a > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world and the > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer IS the > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > Werner > > > nothing " is " > > .b b.b. > As Judy said: Is is what it does. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu Wei an > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world as one > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and comparing it > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears as so > > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf person > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb objects no > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent one's > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable to say > > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which sees or a > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world and the > > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer IS the > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > nothing " is " > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does. > > Werner LOL! well judi has a a screw loose. actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years. that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time. that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes. that lady is unbalanced. oops..she's no lady at all really. anyways werner.. it doesn't " do " anything. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu > Wei an > > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world as one > > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and > comparing it > > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears > as so > > > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf > person > > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb > objects no > > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent one's > > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable to say > > > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which sees or a > > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world > and the > > > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer > IS the > > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > nothing " is " > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does. > > > > Werner > > > LOL! > > well judi has a a screw loose. > > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years. > > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time. > > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes. > > that lady is unbalanced. > > oops..she's no lady at all really. > > anyways werner.. > > it doesn't " do " anything. > > .b b.b. > Hm, Bob, For half a year I had been a member of her ranch list but because after a while I no longer was posting she removed me again. I never had the impression that she had a screw lose. Whenever she, more or less vehemently, was attacking people, especially those being proud of their " spirituality " then there always, at least in my eyes, was an obvious reason why she reacted that way. But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is gone and forgotten. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu > > Wei an > > > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world > as one > > > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and > > comparing it > > > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears > > as so > > > > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf > > person > > > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb > > objects no > > > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent > one's > > > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable > to say > > > > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > > > > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which > sees or a > > > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world > > and the > > > > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer > > IS the > > > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing " is " > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > LOL! > > > > well judi has a a screw loose. > > > > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years. > > > > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time. > > > > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes. > > > > that lady is unbalanced. > > > > oops..she's no lady at all really. > > > > anyways werner.. > > > > it doesn't " do " anything. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Hm, Bob, > > For half a year I had been a member of her ranch list but because > after a while I no longer was posting she removed me again. > > I never had the impression that she had a screw lose. Whenever she, > more or less vehemently, was attacking people, especially those being > proud of their " spirituality " then there always, at least in my eyes, > was an obvious reason why she reacted that way. > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is gone and > forgotten. > > Werner we must be forever grateful.. for the power to forget doorknobs like her. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 17, 2009 Report Share Posted February 17, 2009 > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is gone and > forgotten. > > Werner P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said about childish things once we grow up? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is gone and > > forgotten. > > > > Werner > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > about childish things once we grow up? > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. Please tell me. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu Wei an > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world as one > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and comparing it > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears as so > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf person > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb objects no > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent one's > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable to say > that the object IS the subject. > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which sees or a > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world and the > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer IS the > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > Werner > thats not only what Krishnamurti & Co has been telling....that is what many Gurus since many hundreds of years are telling.... up to imaginary little ego-freaks....to get It...or not No " Gods " behind " who care for this. Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 subject & object both appearing as mere presence in thought as individual & world, like waves in the ocean of consciousness. -mahesh toombaru2006 <lastrainNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:18:25 AM Re: We Wu Wei: The Object is the Subject Nisargadatta, "roberibus111" <Roberibus111@ ...>wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta, "roberibus111" <Roberibus111@ >> > wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@> wrote:> > > >> > > > The statement that "The object is the Subject" came from Wei Wu> Wei an> > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray.> > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the worldas one> > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input> > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and> comparing it> > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears> as so> > > > called "realty" has to appear as absolutely subjective.> > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf> person> > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb> objects no> > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ...> > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally representone's> > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonableto say> > > > that the object IS the subject.> > > > > > > > Because "outside" of objects there exists no subject whichsees or a> > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc.> > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated "You ARE the world> and the> > > > world IS you". Thats why he so often repeated that the observer> IS the> > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ...> > > > > > > > Werner> > > > > > > > > nothing "is"> > > > > > .b b.b.> > >> > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does.> > > > Werner> > > LOL!> > well judi has a a screw loose.> > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years.> > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time.> > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes.> > that lady is unbalanced.> > oops..she's no lady at all really.> > anyways werner..> > it doesn't "do" anything.> > .b b.b.>Oh come on......you come up with some obscure mathimatical formulathat you can't figure out and decide that it somehow implies theexistence of a creator god.And yes........in order of it to be a god......it has to be a creator god.And when someone calls you on the childishness of your belief you attack.Your belief structure is no different that any other "true believer".You feel deeply that you have discovered something of greatsignificance. ...some secret formula...... something that you claim"other great minds" have also concluded... ....The reason that you are having trouble putting it into words is:because like all secret formulas concerning the nature ofreality...... it is smoke and mirrors.It is the same old infantile thought process out of which all creationstories are spun.It is within the arena of creativity that the infant will begin tomake his transition into the egoic-material world by finding ordiscovering a "transitional object.This can be a blanket a teddy bear a story book or a math problem.All of which afford him the magical belief that he is moving towardthe primal caretaker that changed his diapers or fed him when he cried.He is pre-wired from childhood to seek a resolution to his inherentexistential confusion.For most this quest never ends and it sure as hell won't be resolvedin the speculation about an unsolvable math problem.Grow up for Christsakes and stop thinking that you have it all figuredout.toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > subject & object both appearing as mere presence in thought as individual & world, like waves in the ocean of consciousness. > -mahesh > Mahesh, There is no ocean of consciousness. That's just a romantic notion you have stolen somwhere to impress with its inflated grandiosity. Werner > > > > ________________________________ > toombaru2006 <lastrain > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:18:25 AM > Re: We Wu Wei: The Object is the Subject > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@ ....> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu > > Wei an > > > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world > as one > > > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and > > comparing it > > > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears > > as so > > > > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf > > person > > > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb > > objects no > > > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent > one's > > > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable > to say > > > > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > > > > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which > sees or a > > > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world > > and the > > > > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer > > IS the > > > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing " is " > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > LOL! > > > > well judi has a a screw loose. > > > > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years. > > > > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time. > > > > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes. > > > > that lady is unbalanced. > > > > oops..she's no lady at all really. > > > > anyways werner... > > > > it doesn't " do " anything. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Oh come on.......you come up with some obscure mathimatical formula > that you can't figure out and decide that it somehow implies the > existence of a creator god.. > > And yes........in order of it to be a god......it has to be a creator god. > > And when someone calls you on the childishness of your belief you attack. > > Your belief structure is no different that any other " true believer " . > > You feel deeply that you have discovered something of great > significance. ...some secret formula..... something that you claim > " other great minds " have also concluded... .... > > The reason that you are having trouble putting it into words is: > because like all secret formulas concerning the nature of > reality..... it is smoke and mirrors. > > It is the same old infantile thought process out of which all creation > stories are spun. > > It is within the arena of creativity that the infant will begin to > make his transition into the egoic-material world by finding or > discovering a " transitional object. > > This can be a blanket a teddy bear a story book or a math problem. > > All of which afford him the magical belief that he is moving toward > the primal caretaker that changed his diapers or fed him when he cried. > > He is pre-wired from childhood to seek a resolution to his inherent > existential confusion. > > For most this quest never ends and it sure as hell won't be resolved > in the speculation about an unsolvable math problem. > > Grow up for Christsakes and stop thinking that you have it all figured > out. > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > subject & object both appearing as mere presence in thought as individual & world, like waves in the ocean of consciousness. > -mahesh > > Mahesh.....there is indeed no " ocean of consciousness " ..... the fiction of " Mahesh " is already all of the consciousness.... up to " Mahesh " to decide about the size of this his appearent fiction, means world, means consciousness. Marc > > > ________________________________ > toombaru2006 <lastrain > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:18:25 AM > Re: We Wu Wei: The Object is the Subject > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@ ...> > wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@ > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > The statement that " The object is the Subject " came from Wei Wu > > Wei an > > > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray. > > > > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world > as one > > > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensory input > > > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and > > comparing it > > > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears > > as so > > > > > called " realty " has to appear as absolutely subjective. > > > > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf > > person > > > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb > > objects no > > > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent > one's > > > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable > to say > > > > > that the object IS the subject. > > > > > > > > > > Because " outside " of objects there exists no subject which > sees or a > > > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc. > > > > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated " You ARE the world > > and the > > > > > world IS you " . Thats why he so often repeated that the observer > > IS the > > > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ... > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > > nothing " is " > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > LOL! > > > > well judi has a a screw loose. > > > > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years. > > > > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time. > > > > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes. > > > > that lady is unbalanced. > > > > oops..she's no lady at all really. > > > > anyways werner... > > > > it doesn't " do " anything. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > Oh come on.......you come up with some obscure mathimatical formula > that you can't figure out and decide that it somehow implies the > existence of a creator god.. > > And yes........in order of it to be a god......it has to be a creator god. > > And when someone calls you on the childishness of your belief you attack. > > Your belief structure is no different that any other " true believer " . > > You feel deeply that you have discovered something of great > significance. ...some secret formula..... something that you claim > " other great minds " have also concluded... .... > > The reason that you are having trouble putting it into words is: > because like all secret formulas concerning the nature of > reality..... it is smoke and mirrors. > > It is the same old infantile thought process out of which all creation > stories are spun. > > It is within the arena of creativity that the infant will begin to > make his transition into the egoic-material world by finding or > discovering a " transitional object. > > This can be a blanket a teddy bear a story book or a math problem. > > All of which afford him the magical belief that he is moving toward > the primal caretaker that changed his diapers or fed him when he cried. > > He is pre-wired from childhood to seek a resolution to his inherent > existential confusion. > > For most this quest never ends and it sure as hell won't be resolved > in the speculation about an unsolvable math problem. > > Grow up for Christsakes and stop thinking that you have it all figured > out. > > toombaru > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 subject, object & consciousness all arise from concepts taken from various philosophical sources. -mahesh Werner Woehr <wwoehrNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, February 18, 2009 2:05:17 PM Re: We Wu Wei: The Object is the Subject Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .> wrote:>> subject & object both appearing as mere presence in thought asindividual & world, like waves in the ocean of consciousness. > -mahesh > Mahesh,There is no ocean of consciousness. That's just a romantic notion youhave stolen somwhere to impress with its inflated grandiosity.Werner> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> toombaru2006 <lastrain@.. .>> Nisargadatta> Wednesday, February 18, 2009 6:18:25 AM> Re: We Wu Wei: The Object is the Subject> > > Nisargadatta, "roberibus111" <Roberibus111> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@> wrote:> > >> > > Nisargadatta, "roberibus111"<Roberibus111@ >> > > wrote:> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr"<wwoehr@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > > The statement that "The object is the Subject" came from Wei Wu> > Wei an> > > > > Irish philosopher whose real name was Terence Gray.> > > > > > > > > > To explain it one has to realize and to accept that the world> as one> > > > > sees it is a total subjective world. Because the way sensoryinput> > > > > like objects is processed by the brain by associating and> > comparing it> > > > > with already stored material in one's memory which then appears> > as so> > > > > called "realty" has to appear as absolutely subjective.> > > > > > > > > > The world of a colour blind person appears as grey. For a deaf> > person> > > > > sounds do no exists and for a person whose fingers are numb> > objects no> > > > > longer own any tactility, etc etc ....> > > > > > > > > > Therefore any object one sees or senses will totally represent> one's> > > > > subjectivity. And so it is justified, logical and reasonable> to say> > > > > that the object IS the subject.> > > > > > > > > > Because "outside" of objects there exists no subject which> sees or a> > > > > witness which hears, tastes, feels etc.> > > > > > > > > > That's why for example Krishnamurti stated "You ARE the world> > and the> > > > > world IS you". Thats why he so often repeated that the observer> > IS the> > > > > observed, that the thinker IS the thought, etc ...> > > > > > > > > > Werner> > > > > > > > > > > > nothing "is"> > > > > > > > .b b.b.> > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > As Judy said: Is is what it does.> > > > > > Werner> > > > > > LOL!> > > > well judi has a a screw loose.> > > > actually she hasn't got or had any screws at all in years.> > > > that's probably why she's such an ornery bitch all the time.> > > > that is if this is the judi of the ranch off all roads or rhodes.> > > > that lady is unbalanced.> > > > oops..she's no lady at all really.> > > > anyways werner...> > > > it doesn't "do" anything.> > > > .b b.b.> >> > Oh come on.......you come up with some obscure mathimatical formula> that you can't figure out and decide that it somehow implies the> existence of a creator god..> > And yes........in order of it to be a god......it has to be acreator god.> > And when someone calls you on the childishness of your belief youattack.> > Your belief structure is no different that any other "true believer".> > You feel deeply that you have discovered something of great> significance. ...some secret formula...... something that you claim> "other great minds" have also concluded... ....> > The reason that you are having trouble putting it into words is:> because like all secret formulas concerning the nature of> reality..... it is smoke and mirrors.> > It is the same old infantile thought process out of which all creation> stories are spun.> > It is within the arena of creativity that the infant will begin to> make his transition into the egoic-material world by finding or> discovering a "transitional object.> > This can be a blanket a teddy bear a story book or a math problem.> > All of which afford him the magical belief that he is moving toward> the primal caretaker that changed his diapers or fed him when he cried.> > He is pre-wired from childhood to seek a resolution to his inherent> existential confusion.> > For most this quest never ends and it sure as hell won't be resolved> in the speculation about an unsolvable math problem.> > Grow up for Christsakes and stop thinking that you have it all figured> out.> > toombaru> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is gone and > > > forgotten. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > > about childish things once we grow up? > > > > > > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. > > Please tell me. > > Werner P: " When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is > gone and > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > > > about childish things once we grow up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. > > > > Please tell me. > > > > Werner > > P: " When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I > thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things " > Ah thanks, Pete, I didn't know that statement of St. Paul. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is > > gone and > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > > > > about childish things once we grow up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. > > > > > > Please tell me. > > > > > > Werner > > > > P: " When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I > > thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish things " > > > > > Ah thanks, Pete, > > I didn't know that statement of St. Paul. > > Werner P: It's a great statement because it could make one think about all the childish qualities one still might be holding on. The list of childish qualities is long, but getting easily hurt is one, that most adults hold on too. Maybe Judy's only good point was that, to stay at the ranch people had to get over getting hurt by dumb words. Maybe Toomb should join the ranch for a while, he could never be a true help at any list, until he does get over that, and stops withdrawing when personally attacked. Hey Toomb, you're not stopping posting because of what bbb said about you, are you? You got to let go of childish things, man! > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is > > > gone and > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > > > > > about childish things once we grow up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. > > > > > > > > Please tell me. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: " When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I > > > thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish > things " > > > > > > > > > Ah thanks, Pete, > > > > I didn't know that statement of St. Paul. > > > > Werner > > P: It's a great statement because it could > make one think about all the childish qualities > one still might be holding on. The list of > childish qualities is long, but getting easily > hurt is one, that most adults hold on too. > > Maybe Judy's only good point was that, to > stay at the ranch people had to get over getting > hurt by dumb words. > > Maybe Toomb should join the ranch for a while, > he could never be a true help at any list, > until he does get over that, and stops withdrawing > when personally attacked. Hey Toomb, you're not > stopping posting because of what bbb > said about you, are you? You got to let go of > childish things, man! i'm not sure mr. markham is acting too juvenile like. i think michael is expressing a curmudgeon kind of pout. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > But ok, that already was some years ago. Most of that time is > > > gone and > > > > > > forgotten. > > > > > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > P: Ha, ha! Exactly! What did St. Paul said > > > > > about childish things once we grow up? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hm, I have no idea what he said. > > > > > > > > Please tell me. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > P: " When I was a child, I spoke as a child, I understood as a child, I > > > thought as a child: but when I became a man, I put away childish > things " > > > > > > > > > Ah thanks, Pete, > > > > I didn't know that statement of St. Paul. > > > > Werner > > P: It's a great statement because it could > make one think about all the childish qualities > one still might be holding on. The list of > childish qualities is long, but getting easily > hurt is one, that most adults hold on too Indeed, Pete, Allow me to quote K: " Only the image gets hurt " With image he meant one's self-image. > > Maybe Judy's only good point was that, to > stay at the ranch people had to get over getting > hurt by dumb words. Ok, The time I have been on Judi's ranch she never did hurt or attack me. Just the contrary she rather was encouraging and friendly. I stopped posting there because I could not partake in those many political discussions going on - I am not good in politics. Werner > > Maybe Toomb should join the ranch for a while, > he could never be a true help at any list, > until he does get over that, and stops withdrawing > when personally attacked. Hey Toomb, you're not > stopping posting because of what bbb > said about you, are you? You got to let go of > childish things, man! > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 18, 2009 Report Share Posted February 18, 2009 > Ok, > > The time I have been on Judi's ranch she never did hurt or attack me. > Just the contrary she rather was encouraging and friendly. > > I stopped posting there because I could not partake in those many > political discussions going on - I am not good in politics. > > Werner that's ok.. judi herself isn't good at anything. right judi? well..except maybe for snooping. LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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