Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. You go for the jugular about a belief. when any belief including all of yours are wrong. so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, you become impotent with the attitude. because then you make the person not the belief wrong. (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha wrote: > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > Hi, You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@> wrote: > > > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > > > > > Hi, > > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! > > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. > > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. > > Werner > every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc... live in this his/her own imaginary world... he/she is such world, true but in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception... so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace....it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. .... so far for the world and perception of little ego minds... ..... when there is awareness... there are no worlds there is nothing to kill or die for... there is just being... like ever before... forever... Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > You go for the jugular about a belief. > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > you become impotent with the attitude. > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > Mark don't dare me. that's a form of attacking. you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? i don't have any beliefs. i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. i don't believe in either. there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. only what works or what doesn't work. period..and of story. believe me. :-) i don't believe in believing. i don't believe in believers.. however..i do believe in deceivers... who " oould " have you believe that they believe. belief itself is unbelievable... if you can believe that shit. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha wrote: > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. that's the ticket! now here's a man who 'get's it' bravo! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@> wrote: > > > > > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! > > > > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. > > > > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. > > > > Werner > > > > every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc... > live in this his/her own imaginary world... > he/she is such world, true > > but in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception... > > so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace....it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. > > ... > > so far for the world and perception of little ego minds... > > .... > > when there is awareness... > > there are no worlds > > there is nothing to kill or die for... > > there is just being... > > like ever before... > > forever... > > > Marc marc.. the one you address is no longer reading your posts..or mine. our posting don't transport any " emoitons " . he's an " emoitonal " guy i guess. oh..and marc.. it evidently is his desire.. that no more non-existent private emails be sent to him. it's hard for him to receive what has never been sent. we must not be in denial of his denials. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! > > > > > > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. > > > > > > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > > > > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc... > > live in this his/her own imaginary world... > > he/she is such world, true > > > > but in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception... > > > > so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace....it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. > > > > ... > > > > so far for the world and perception of little ego minds... > > > > .... > > > > when there is awareness... > > > > there are no worlds > > > > there is nothing to kill or die for... > > > > there is just being... > > > > like ever before... > > > > forever... > > > > > > Marc > > > marc.. > > the one you address is no longer reading your posts..or mine. > > our posting don't transport any " emoitons " . > > he's an " emoitonal " guy i guess. > > oh..and marc.. > > it evidently is his desire.. > > that no more non-existent private emails be sent to him. > > it's hard for him to receive what has never been sent. > > we must not be in denial of his denials. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. p.s. we don't want to empty up his spam box.. with a whole lot of absent emails. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@> wrote: > > > > > > > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > > > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! > > > > > > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. > > > > > > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > > > > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc... > > live in this his/her own imaginary world... > > he/she is such world, true > > > > but in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception... > > > > so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace....it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. > > > > ... > > > > so far for the world and perception of little ego minds... > > > > .... > > > > when there is awareness... > > > > there are no worlds > > > > there is nothing to kill or die for... > > > > there is just being... > > > > like ever before... > > > > forever... > > > > > > Marc > > > marc.. > > the one you address is no longer reading your posts..or mine. > > our posting don't transport any " emoitons " . > > he's an " emoitonal " guy i guess. > > oh..and marc.. > > it evidently is his desire.. > > that no more non-existent private emails be sent to him. > > it's hard for him to receive what has never been sent. > > we must not be in denial of his denials. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. > i know that he is no more reading any posts of all his enemies.... so his world....i mean, THE world.....is empty of enemies... this makes his world....i mean, THE world....perfect.... just perfect!!.... in order to continue like ever before..... i mean, like from birth of THE world on... .... Marc Ps: sooo boring this (his) WORLD lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 if at every moment i am on verge of dying of hunger in sudan & eastern africa, verge of getting hurt from cross firing in afghanistan & other disturbed parts of the world, verge of contacting diseases in rwanda & central african countries or verge of losing balance living in the filthy slums earning a penny in any of the third world countries. would i think in the similar manner as i am thinking now. is all this philosophical talk arising from a mind which is content who has not known hunger, disease, disablement, disaster, deprivation. is these talks coming from a mind which has always known eating good food, living in a peaceful environment, earning well meeting all daily needs, has socialized with civilized society, have had most of your prime needs fulfilled. if it is so that all these talks are mere imagination of the mind which has gathered knowledge from few readings, trying to think intelligently & be different. -mahesh dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33Nisargadatta Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:57:19 PM Re: beliefs about Bob Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "jthabuddha" <jthabuddha@ > wrote:> >> > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there.> >> > > Hi,> > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world !> > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two.> > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense.> > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons.> > Werner>every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc. ..live in this his/her own imaginary world...he/she is such world, truebut in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception.. .so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace.. ..it's of non-sense to make war to oneself....so far for the world and perception of little ego minds.......when there is awareness...there are no worldsthere is nothing to kill or die for...there is just being...like ever before...forever...Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Indeed! Some people have time to describe the world, tell stories and some of them believe that what they do is more than a mere description, interpretation of what they see. Some believe in truth. All that is called mythopoiesis. It applies to scientists as well. Some of those subjects, earn money for their own sustain or the sustain of their families. Yours,RicardoOn Tue, Mar 10, 2009 at 1:04 PM, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: if at every moment i am on verge of dying of hunger in sudan & eastern africa, verge of getting hurt from cross firing in afghanistan & other disturbed parts of the world, verge of contacting diseases in rwanda & central african countries or verge of losing balance living in the filthy slums earning a penny in any of the third world countries. would i think in the similar manner as i am thinking now. is all this philosophical talk arising from a mind which is content who has not known hunger, disease, disablement, disaster, deprivation. is these talks coming from a mind which has always known eating good food, living in a peaceful environment, earning well meeting all daily needs, has socialized with civilized society, have had most of your prime needs fulfilled. if it is so that all these talks are mere imagination of the mind which has gathered knowledge from few readings, trying to think intelligently & be different. -mahesh dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33Nisargadatta Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:57:19 PM Re: beliefs about Bob Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@ > wrote: > >> > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > >> > > Hi,> > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world !> > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two.> > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons.> > Werner>every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc. .. live in this his/her own imaginary world...he/she is such world, truebut in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception.. .so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace.. ..it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. ....so far for the world and perception of little ego minds.......when there is awareness...there are no worldsthere is nothing to kill or die for...there is just being...like ever before...forever...Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , Ricardo Almon <ricardo.almon wrote: > > Indeed! Some people have time to describe the world, tell stories and some > of them believe that what they do is more than a mere description, > interpretation of what they see. Some believe in truth. All that is called > mythopoiesis. It applies to scientists as well. Some of those subjects, earn > money for their own sustain or the sustain of their families. Yours, > Ricardo > > P: Mythopoiesis! How is that old reprobate Lewis Burges doing nowadays? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 I like getting emails. It makes it seem like I am the center of attention somewhere/sometimes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > Mark > > > > don't dare me. > > that's a form of attacking. > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > i don't have any beliefs. > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > i don't believe in either. > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > period..and of story. > > believe me. > > :-) > > i don't believe in believing. > > i don't believe in believers.. > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > if you can believe that shit. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > You are dancing. " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. Word games are so trite. Superego lives and breathes, and sometimes even believed, For a while. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > period..and of story. > > > > believe me. > > > > :-) > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > :-) > > > > .b b.b. > > > You are dancing. > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > Word games are so trite. > Superego lives and breathes, > and sometimes even believed, > For a while. > Mark do you believe that marky. that's cute. but totally unneeeded. and way below trite actually. of course being a believer... you lack the intestinal fortitude.. or the meental capacity to understand this. so believe that i believe.. good for you kid.. and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. as far as the dancing goes.. yeah i am. i love to dance. you wouldn't believe it and i don't. but i'll dance without believing.. just like i do everything else. even if that pisses you off. LOL! ..b b.b. i don't need have any beliefs to know that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > > > period..and of story. > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > You are dancing. > > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > > Word games are so trite. > > Superego lives and breathes, > > and sometimes even believed, > > For a while. > > Mark > > > > do you believe that marky. > > that's cute. > > but totally unneeeded. > > and way below trite actually. > > of course being a believer... > > you lack the intestinal fortitude.. > > or the meental capacity to understand this. > > so believe that i believe.. > > good for you kid.. > > and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. > > i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. > > as far as the dancing goes.. > > yeah i am. > > i love to dance. > > you wouldn't believe it and i don't. > > but i'll dance without believing.. > > just like i do everything else. > > even if that pisses you off. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > > i don't need have any beliefs to know that. the 'meental' is the lack of mentality in the me thing you believe in. just so's ya know kiddo. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > > > period..and of story. > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > You are dancing. > > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > > Word games are so trite. > > Superego lives and breathes, > > and sometimes even believed, > > For a while. > > Mark > > > > do you believe that marky. > > that's cute. > > but totally unneeeded. > > and way below trite actually. > > of course being a believer... > > you lack the intestinal fortitude.. > > or the meental capacity to understand this. > > so believe that i believe.. > > good for you kid.. > > and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. > > i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. > > as far as the dancing goes.. > > yeah i am. > > i love to dance. > > you wouldn't believe it and i don't. > > but i'll dance without believing.. > > just like i do everything else. > > even if that pisses you off. > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > > > i don't need have any beliefs to know that. > So sorry but I can't dance to silly words, told by an idiot. who believes he doesn't believe. mind runamuck as a megalomaniac, I reckon. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > if at every moment i am on verge of dying of hunger in sudan & eastern africa, verge of getting hurt from cross firing in afghanistan & other disturbed parts of the world, verge of contacting diseases in rwanda & central african countries or verge of losing balance living in the filthy slums earning a penny in any of the third world countries. would i think in the similar manner as i am thinking now. is all this philosophical talk arising from a mind which is content who has not known hunger, disease, disablement, disaster, deprivation. is these talks coming from a mind which has always known eating good food, living in a peaceful environment, earning well meeting all daily needs, has socialized with civilized society, have had most of your prime needs fulfilled. if it is so that all these talks are mere imagination of the mind which has gathered knowledge from few readings, trying to think intelligently & be different.. > -mahesh talking about your mind....?.... but true.....one can only know the world when there are some worldly experiences going with....suffering etc..... then it's easier to know the non-sense....people are running after....into a big big world......appearing because of their more or less big big ego.... .... Marc > > > > > > ________________________________ > dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, March 10, 2009 1:57:19 PM > Re: beliefs about Bob > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " jthabuddha " <jthabuddha@ > wrote: > > > > > > My impression of the world is produced by my meaningless thoughts. As far as I can tell, all that I can talk, write, or think about is in relation to my impression of the world. > > > > > > If I were upset about something I read on this computer screen, I would be reacting to something that isn't really there. > > > > > > > > > Hi, > > > > You don't have impressions OF the world. You ARE the world ! > > > > The divison between a YOU and the world is created by thought. In reality that division does not exist. Without that separative thought process you and the world is one, not two. > > > > Therefore words are in no way meaningless. Words ARE their meaning. A word without meaning makes no sense. It is non-sense. > > > > The denial of the meaning of words has its origin in the hope for peace and freedom, to be free from what words also are transporting: Emoitons. > > > > Werner > > > > every little ego mind....writing some nice words....etc. .. > live in this his/her own imaginary world... > he/she is such world, true > > but in such imaginary worlds...are other little ego minds....having the same perception.. . > > so the solution for all this little imaginary egos...is to meet with love & peace.. ..it's of non-sense to make war to oneself. > > ... > > so far for the world and perception of little ego minds... > > .... > > when there is awareness... > > there are no worlds > > there is nothing to kill or die for... > > there is just being... > > like ever before... > > forever... > > Marc > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2009 Report Share Posted March 10, 2009 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > > > > > period..and of story. > > > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > You are dancing. > > > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > > > Word games are so trite. > > > Superego lives and breathes, > > > and sometimes even believed, > > > For a while. > > > Mark > > > > > > > > do you believe that marky. > > > > that's cute. > > > > but totally unneeeded. > > > > and way below trite actually. > > > > of course being a believer... > > > > you lack the intestinal fortitude.. > > > > or the meental capacity to understand this. > > > > so believe that i believe.. > > > > good for you kid.. > > > > and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. > > > > i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. > > > > as far as the dancing goes.. > > > > yeah i am. > > > > i love to dance. > > > > you wouldn't believe it and i don't. > > > > but i'll dance without believing.. > > > > just like i do everything else. > > > > even if that pisses you off. > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > i don't need have any beliefs to know that. > > > So sorry but I can't dance to silly words, > told by an idiot. who believes he doesn't believe. > mind runamuck as a megalomaniac, I reckon. > Mark LOL! what if you put my head underwater.. and kept it down for 10 minutes.. but i believed i could or would breath? and hoped real hard my belief wasn't false.. that's a lot of good belief stuff huh? or if belief is so wonderful.. why not stick with god in heaven.. casting the waters upon the dark... later creating the earth and the heavens.. and setting a ball of light to circle around us during daytime.. as he also fills the night sky with beautiful pinpricks of light.. just for our enjoyment and to allay or fears of the dark. whew! all in seven days. good thing we never doubted that shit. suckers who depend on belief.. do so because they don't KNOW. do you have to believe you're breathing? seeing? feeling?... or do you just KNOW it without resorting to belief? if belief is so goddamn necessary how do we do anything? and why would we do anything.. like inventing or conceiving of better ideas.. or ways of going about doing things like with tools and rockets? those didn't come about by themselves.. nor through the efforts of those who thought " belief is best " what a joke! and then you get pissed off just because it's pointed out.. as an irrelevant artifact that hinders more than helps. most believers say they believe in hopes of convincing others. if they told the truth about what they believed or NOT believed.. they may not have any friends. i'd rather be friendless and truthful to what is... than to to the phony hocus pocus about NEEDING belief. but marc60..you do what you think best for marc. and i'll do best for what i think best for me.. and i'll do that without calling you names.. just because i don't believe you.. as you do in naming me megalomaniac.. because you believe that you have to believe.. and that that goes for me and everyone. talk about swelled headed maniacs. good bye believer ..b b.b. 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Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > > > > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > > > > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > > > > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > > > > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > > > > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > period..and of story. > > > > > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > > > > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > > > > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > > > > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > > > > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > You are dancing. > > > > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > > > > Word games are so trite. > > > > Superego lives and breathes, > > > > and sometimes even believed, > > > > For a while. > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > do you believe that marky. > > > > > > that's cute. > > > > > > but totally unneeeded. > > > > > > and way below trite actually. > > > > > > of course being a believer... > > > > > > you lack the intestinal fortitude.. > > > > > > or the meental capacity to understand this. > > > > > > so believe that i believe.. > > > > > > good for you kid.. > > > > > > and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. > > > > > > i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. > > > > > > as far as the dancing goes.. > > > > > > yeah i am. > > > > > > i love to dance. > > > > > > you wouldn't believe it and i don't. > > > > > > but i'll dance without believing.. > > > > > > just like i do everything else. > > > > > > even if that pisses you off. > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > i don't need have any beliefs to know that. > > > > > So sorry but I can't dance to silly words, > > told by an idiot. who believes he doesn't believe. > > mind runamuck as a megalomaniac, I reckon. > > Mark > > > LOL! > > what if you put my head underwater.. > > and kept it down for 10 minutes.. > > but i believed i could or would breath? > > and hoped real hard my belief wasn't false.. > > that's a lot of good belief stuff huh? > > or if belief is so wonderful.. > > why not stick with god in heaven.. > > casting the waters upon the dark... > > later creating the earth and the heavens.. > > and setting a ball of light to circle around us during daytime.. > > as he also fills the night sky with beautiful pinpricks of light.. > > just for our enjoyment and to allay or fears of the dark. > > whew! all in seven days. > > good thing we never doubted that shit. > > suckers who depend on belief.. > > do so because they don't KNOW. > > do you have to believe you're breathing? seeing? feeling?... > > or do you just KNOW it without resorting to belief? > > if belief is so goddamn necessary how do we do anything? > > and why would we do anything.. > > like inventing or conceiving of better ideas.. > > or ways of going about doing things like with tools and rockets? > > those didn't come about by themselves.. > > nor through the efforts of those who thought " belief is best " > > what a joke! > > and then you get pissed off just because it's pointed out.. > > as an irrelevant artifact that hinders more than helps. > > most believers say they believe in hopes of convincing others. > > if they told the truth about what they believed or NOT believed.. > > they may not have any friends. > > i'd rather be friendless and truthful to what is... > > than to to the phony hocus pocus about NEEDING belief. > > but marc60..you do what you think best for marc. > > and i'll do best for what i think best for me.. > > and i'll do that without calling you names.. > > just because i don't believe you.. > > as you do in naming me megalomaniac.. > > because you believe that you have to believe.. > > and that that goes for me and everyone. > > talk about swelled headed maniacs. > > good bye believer > > .b b.b. > who are you Bob? Bill Clinton. ya go them turn it around bullshit blues thing going on here. well never mind then, I have reached my saturation point. Mark Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2009 Report Share Posted March 11, 2009 Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " marktimmins60 " <marktimmins60@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > well since this is jump on BOB week, here is my beef with you. > > > > > > > You go for the jugular about a belief. > > > > > > > when any belief including all of yours are wrong. > > > > > > > so you ought to cop to that. . . or don't. > > > > > > > but when you attack some one who posts who seeks in earnestness( Nis's word) > > > > > > > no matter what truth you might understand and oould share, > > > > > > > you become impotent with the attitude. > > > > > > > because then you make the person not the belief wrong. > > > > > > > (even though the idea that there is the person is wrong as well, but first things first > > > > > > > > > > > > > > try to respond without attacking, I dare ya. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > don't dare me. > > > > > > > > > > > > that's a form of attacking. > > > > > > > > > > > > you " oouldn't " want to do that now " oould " you? > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't have any beliefs. > > > > > > > > > > > > i thought i " oould " share that here now at your specific request. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't think anyone is wrong..or right. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in either. > > > > > > > > > > > > there is no such thing in nature as wrong or right. > > > > > > > > > > > > only what works or what doesn't work. > > > > > > > > > > > > period..and of story. > > > > > > > > > > > > believe me. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believing. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't believe in believers.. > > > > > > > > > > > > however..i do believe in deceivers... > > > > > > > > > > > > who " oould " have you believe that they believe. > > > > > > > > > > > > belief itself is unbelievable... > > > > > > > > > > > > if you can believe that shit. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > You are dancing. > > > > > " I have no beliefs " is a belief Bob. > > > > > Word games are so trite. > > > > > Superego lives and breathes, > > > > > and sometimes even believed, > > > > > For a while. > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > do you believe that marky. > > > > > > > > that's cute. > > > > > > > > but totally unneeeded. > > > > > > > > and way below trite actually. > > > > > > > > of course being a believer... > > > > > > > > you lack the intestinal fortitude.. > > > > > > > > or the meental capacity to understand this. > > > > > > > > so believe that i believe.. > > > > > > > > good for you kid.. > > > > > > > > and hopefully that keeps you warm and snuggy. > > > > > > > > i certainly don't care what you want to fall prey to. > > > > > > > > as far as the dancing goes.. > > > > > > > > yeah i am. > > > > > > > > i love to dance. > > > > > > > > you wouldn't believe it and i don't. > > > > > > > > but i'll dance without believing.. > > > > > > > > just like i do everything else. > > > > > > > > even if that pisses you off. > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > i don't need have any beliefs to know that. > > > > > > > So sorry but I can't dance to silly words, > > > told by an idiot. who believes he doesn't believe. > > > mind runamuck as a megalomaniac, I reckon. > > > Mark > > > > > > LOL! > > > > what if you put my head underwater.. > > > > and kept it down for 10 minutes.. > > > > but i believed i could or would breath? > > > > and hoped real hard my belief wasn't false.. > > > > that's a lot of good belief stuff huh? > > > > or if belief is so wonderful.. > > > > why not stick with god in heaven.. > > > > casting the waters upon the dark... > > > > later creating the earth and the heavens.. > > > > and setting a ball of light to circle around us during daytime.. > > > > as he also fills the night sky with beautiful pinpricks of light.. > > > > just for our enjoyment and to allay or fears of the dark. > > > > whew! all in seven days. > > > > good thing we never doubted that shit. > > > > suckers who depend on belief.. > > > > do so because they don't KNOW. > > > > do you have to believe you're breathing? seeing? feeling?... > > > > or do you just KNOW it without resorting to belief? > > > > if belief is so goddamn necessary how do we do anything? > > > > and why would we do anything.. > > > > like inventing or conceiving of better ideas.. > > > > or ways of going about doing things like with tools and rockets? > > > > those didn't come about by themselves.. > > > > nor through the efforts of those who thought " belief is best " > > > > what a joke! > > > > and then you get pissed off just because it's pointed out.. > > > > as an irrelevant artifact that hinders more than helps. > > > > most believers say they believe in hopes of convincing others. > > > > if they told the truth about what they believed or NOT believed.. > > > > they may not have any friends. > > > > i'd rather be friendless and truthful to what is... > > > > than to to the phony hocus pocus about NEEDING belief. > > > > but marc60..you do what you think best for marc. > > > > and i'll do best for what i think best for me.. > > > > and i'll do that without calling you names.. > > > > just because i don't believe you.. > > > > as you do in naming me megalomaniac.. > > > > because you believe that you have to believe.. > > > > and that that goes for me and everyone. > > > > talk about swelled headed maniacs. > > > > good bye believer > > > > .b b.b. > > > who are you Bob? Bill Clinton. > ya go them turn it around bullshit blues thing going on here. > well never mind then, I have reached my saturation point. > Mark oh..didn't you know.. i already said my goodbyes Dewy. as hard as that may be for you to believe. but as a gift..in answer to the foremost question above.. i haven't the slightest as to who i am. and i wouldn't believe anyone's opinion on that anyway.. not even mine.... if i believed in one to have. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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