Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " lschwabe@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here but > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort of > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so many > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of parties > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom from > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and happiness > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root of > suffering. > ac > Oh...so that's what " liberation " means. It's an opiate for the masses to relieve the pain of being. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "geo" inandor@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > -> > > > Hur Guler> > > > Nisargadatta > > > > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 2:36 PM> > > > Re: i am that> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Lene" <lschwabe@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one -> > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this> > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What> > > > > are we doing?> > > > >> > > >> > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal> > nondual> > > > angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here but our> > motivation> > > > is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort of> > immortality. All> > > > spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. Nondual> > teachings are> > > > more subltle and yet they serve the same purpose...it's still> > something to> > > > hold on to for us.> > > > -hur-ji-> > > >> > > > I am not looking for immortality. I realized I existed - as a kid> > and that> > > > made me wonder: how come?> > > > That was the drive. You are projecting your own aims into others.> > > > -geo-> > > >> > > it's true that i'm making an observation on others...just a few> > billion or so who want that ticket for the "all inclusive resort in the> > sky"> > >> > > > Questions is...> > Do they really want it or, are they taught and in some cases 'forced' to> > want this resort in sky... by their parents and the rest of the society> > ever since they are five years old?> >> > Who wouldn't want it? Those who are not 'taught' or 'forced' to believe it.Many religions (read 'belief' in the all-inclusive resort in sky) have mainly spread via sword where people have been forced and haven't really chosen to believe it. Many other religions have spread because have been paid "money" in this world to buy into the "promise" of life after the death'. Very few have really chosen to really believe it. Most have had it shoved down their throat and have been 'taught' to 'never question it' before they gained power to reason and think. Children can be "taught" (read "fooled") to believe into tooth-fairies too. Difference is that in some 'stories' they are asked to 'never question'. In some cases, people have killed for daring to 'question' it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many > commit and > > > > > so > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and > alcohol to > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the > noise of > > > > > > > parties > > > > > > > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am > not sure > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > > > > > > > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness > or > > > > > freedom > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace > and > > > > > > > happiness > > > > > > > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. > This > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to > find the > > > > > root > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > suffering. > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's not very far to look, A C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not out there, and it's not someone else's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is what many " gurus " have said too. > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Taint in the sayin', and tain't in the listenin', it's all in > the > > > > > realizin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you realize that, Tim? > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > Does it matter to the reader? > > > > > > > > If so, why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are " the reader " . > > > > > > > No, you are. > > > > No, *you* are. > > > > No.... *yoooooooo* are ;-). > > > When " Tim " reads Tim is the reader. > When I read, I am the reader. > Since Tim is the the one who wrote: > 'Taint in the sayin', and tain't in the listenin', it's all in the > realizin'. > > I am assuming that realizin is important to Tim. > Is realization important to Tim, the man who is reading this text, > now? > > Whose realization is important to him, his own or someone else's? " His own " is not apart from someone else's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:12 PM Re: Re: i am that - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:07 PM Re: Re: i am that Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:34 AM Re: i am that " I love the way the man talks. Thanks for all of the quotes AC. What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What are we doing? ............. ......... ... " " who " has ever been " here " ....?. .. somebody is here? " Lene " is here?... why is " Lene " here? because " Lene " want to imagine to be " here " .... Marc She knows that marc. We have been talking about it all along. But she also sees that there are other human beings around this one here (there). So she is asking: what for? -geo- if she knew this already..... .good .... " there are other human beings around this one here...what for? " .... because she already forgot that " Lene " want them to be " there " .... Marc No. It was not " lene " . -geo- " who " else.....could appear to/from/because of " Lene " ....? Marc Look around. Are there not dogs, pigs, wolves.....and. ..man around you? Although we know that these organisms are just empty patterns of the one.....there are man. -geo- your words aren't the words of this " geo " ?..... " empty " words so... how come that you want to give It a meaning?... to whom?... (if not to this imaginary " geo " ...who is not at all empty....but filled up with some illusions and confusions....about the " One " " geo " . Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Ask Directly to this modern guru who talks in our language. Paramhansa Nithyananda. You can watch him You Tube. See him personally, talk to him personally and know the truth. Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " <lschwabe@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here but our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort of immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > True. > > > > And the teaching " there is no teaching. " > > > > And the teaching " there is no one to be taught. " > > > > And with no holding on -- > > > > There's no one to tell it to. > > > > But, but, but ... > > Human beings sure like to look at each other's " but's " ;-). > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > Children can be " taught " > (read " fooled " ) to believe into tooth-fairies too. Difference is that in > some 'stories' they are asked to 'never question'. In some cases, people > have killed for daring to 'question' it. The tooth fairy and Santa are really interesting ones. I don't know that they don't exist. Plus, there's the own small matter of my own non-existence. Don't we all get the same bad rap? Right this very minute, my son is inventing a story about Santa (and a pony and a talking car). He likes me to contribute a sentence now and then. I do. I recognize it as " fiction. " He has no need for the label. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - I bought the fish. > > > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order to sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, with a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. To this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new movement is only attainable through the realization of > > > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for that would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the same reasons as in #1. > > > > > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In Search Of The Miraculous. > > > > > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > You honestly believe that? > > > > > > Wow. > > > > > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of just a little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that must be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of the " chosen few, " eh? > > > > > > Very special, no? > > > > > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > You honestly believe there's a Geo-entity there, Daniel-san, believing something? > > > > Do I honestly believe there's a Danielsan-entity-there, Tim-san, believing in a Geo-entity there? > > > > Naah. > > And with no operation of " belief " ... > > the conversation continues ... > > > - D - > Sure. And why not? It's not happening between two, *has* never happened between two in all of human history, but why not? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 [...]> > When "Tim" reads Tim is the reader.> > When I read, I am the reader.> > Since Tim is the the one who wrote:> > 'Taint in the sayin', and tain't in the listenin', it's all in the > > realizin'.> > > > I am assuming that realizin is important to Tim.> > Is realization important to Tim, the man who is reading this text, > now?> > > > Whose realization is important to him, his own or someone else's?> > "His own" is not apart from someone else's.> Then, on "what basis", you call it someone else? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ac " adithya_comming@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " lschwabe@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal > > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here > but > > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort > of > > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. > > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same > > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so > many > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of > parties > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom > from > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and > happiness > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root > of > > > suffering. > > > ac > > > > > > > Oh...so that's what " liberation " means. It's an opiate for the masses > to relieve the pain of being. > > > > " Masses " ... ??? > I don't think spiritual inquiry requires a mass to do it. It is more of > an individual inquiry in which one finds out the root of his/her own > suffering and the reality of the entity that suffers. I am not sure if > it is same as the Sunday mass. > I didn't realize that the individual inquiry meant finding the root of one's own suffering. Let's say one finds the root of suffering, how do you cure it? If i want $100 dollars, it's not the same as imaginary ones. I'd still want the $100. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ac " adithya_comming@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " lschwabe@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal > > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here > but > > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort > of > > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. > > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same > > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so > many > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of > parties > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom > from > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and > happiness > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root > of > > > suffering. > > > ac > > > > > > There's not very far to look, A C. > > > > It's not out there, and it's not someone else's. > > > > - D - > > > Yes, this is what many " gurus " have said too. > ac Yes, I suppose so - I've heard it once or twice myself. And the saying of it, from someone assumed to be out there having a different experience than me, and so other than me - the value of that person telling me about this, and what it's like, and supposedly how to realize ... .... it's nice to hear ... but tends to be misleading. So, to truly understand this ... not as an idea in one's head taken in from someone else, is the actuality of the suffering as it is. Without division from it, not trying to separate from it to fix it, solve it, tell the world what to do about it, educate the supposed individuals who supposedly are making it happen .... simply to be it. without any dividing of self from it ... one is simply this, as it is. that's all. not going anywhere with it, getting from here to somewhere else with it ... and so, being this, one finds one is not retaining it, nor getting rid of it, what is it to really be this? no guru can give you this that one is. and of course the conceptual label " suffering " can't be applied any longer in the exact moment of non-separation, non-division from it - and no one else to describe it to ... Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > > > > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - I bought the fish. > > > > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > > > > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order to sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > > > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > > > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, with a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > > > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. To this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > > > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > > > > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > > > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new movement is only attainable through the realization of > > > > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for that would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > > > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the same reasons as in #1. > > > > > > > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In Search Of The Miraculous. > > > > > > > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up there. > > > > > -geo- > > > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > > > You honestly believe that? > > > > > > > > Wow. > > > > > > > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of just a little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that must be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of the " chosen few, " eh? > > > > > > > > Very special, no? > > > > > > > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > You honestly believe there's a Geo-entity there, Daniel-san, believing something? > > > > > > Do I honestly believe there's a Danielsan-entity-there, Tim-san, believing in a Geo-entity there? > > > > > > Naah. > > > > And with no operation of " belief " ... > > > > the conversation continues ... > > > > > > - D - > > > > Sure. > > And why not? > > It's not happening between two, *has* never happened between two in all of human history, but why not? Yes, exactly. Why not? Ever-changing, ever-is-ing ... Not fooled by any history books about what this is ... Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " ac " adithya_comming@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " lschwabe@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal > > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here > but > > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort > of > > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. > > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same > > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so > many > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of > parties > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom > from > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and > happiness > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root > of > > > suffering. > > > ac > > > > > > > Oh...so that's what " liberation " means. It's an opiate for the masses > to relieve the pain of being. > > > > " Masses " ... ??? > I don't think spiritual inquiry requires a mass to do it. It is more of > an individual inquiry in which one finds out the root of his/her own > suffering and the reality of the entity that suffers. I am not sure if > it is same as the Sunday mass. It's direct inquiry, in which the nature of the questioning is the answer. Upheaval (of time, of place, of identity) ... No time even for any process of inquiry. And there are no masses involved ... turns out the supposed self-maintaining, continuing individual isn't even involved, let alone masses of them. Speaking of this is like blasphemy - it makes it seem like there is me communicating over a distance to a you ... But oh well, it's the joy of our human life, communion ... Smiles, Dan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "ac" <adithya_comming wrote:>> > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" hurg@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Lene" lschwabe@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one -> > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this> > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What> > > > > are we doing?> > > > >> > > >> > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal> > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here> but> > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort> of> > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality.> > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same> > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us.> > > >> > >> > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so> many> > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget> > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of> parties> > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if> > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'.> > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom> from> > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and> happiness> > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason> > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root> of> > > suffering.> > > ac> > >> >> > Oh...so that's what "liberation" means. It's an opiate for the masses> to relieve the pain of being.> >> > "Masses"... ???> I don't think spiritual inquiry requires a mass to do it. It is more of> an individual inquiry in which one finds out the root of his/her own> suffering and the reality of the entity that suffers. I am not sure if> it is same as the Sunday mass.> Other difference is that while drugs work primarily by making you 'forget' and thus avoid facing the mental anguish, spiritual inquiry is inquiry is about seeing into the suffering, investigating it and investigating the reality of the suffering entity. In place of just "avoiding" the "reality", the inquiry tries to find the ultimate and then to see how and why one escapes the ultimate reality and gets trapped into something else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg wrote:>> > > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > >> > >> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "Lene" lschwabe@ wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one -> > > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this> > > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What> > > > > > are we doing?> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal> > > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here> > but> > > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort> > of> > > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality.> > > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same> > > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us.> > > > >> > > >> > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so> > many> > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget> > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of> > parties> > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if> > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'.> > > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom> > from> > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and> > happiness> > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason> > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root> > of> > > > suffering.> > > > ac> > > >> > >> > > Oh...so that's what "liberation" means. It's an opiate for the masses> > to relieve the pain of being.> > >> > > > "Masses"... ???> > I don't think spiritual inquiry requires a mass to do it. It is more of> > an individual inquiry in which one finds out the root of his/her own> > suffering and the reality of the entity that suffers. I am not sure if> > it is same as the Sunday mass.> >> I didn't realize that the individual inquiry meant finding the root of one's own suffering.Ok.> Let's say one finds the root of suffering, how do you cure it? Let us first find and understand it...Without finding and understanding it, talking of "curing" it might be confusing. Who knows, once we understand it , we might find that maybe, it is not even that "bad", unnecessary or undesirable. And, if that is the case, there wouldn't even be a need to "cure" it.Let us first understand it.> If i want $100 dollars, it's not the same as imaginary ones. I'd still want the $100.I don't think spiritual inquiry is about how to get $100. There are other means and teachings that claim to do it - like how to become a millionaire or, how to earn six figure income working from home, part time :-) > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "Tim G." <fewtch wrote:>> Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" hurg@ wrote:> >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "ac" <adithya_comming@> wrote:> > >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "Lene" lschwabe@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one -> > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this> > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What> > > > > are we doing?> > > > >> > > >> > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal> > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are here but> > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort of> > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality.> > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same> > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us.> > > >> > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so many> > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget> > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of parties> > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if> > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'.> > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom from> > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and happiness> > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason> > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root of> > > suffering.> > > ac> > >> > > > Oh...so that's what "liberation" means. It's an opiate for the > > masses to relieve the pain of being.> > Q: I may not remember, but that does not disprove my being occasionally unconscious.M: Why not turn away from the experience to the experiencer and realise the full import of the only true statement you can make: 'I am'?Q: How is it done?M: There is no 'how' here. Just keep in mind the feeling 'I am', merge in it, till your mind and feeling become one. By repeated attempts you will stumble on the right balance of attention and affection and your mind will be firmly established in the thought-feeling 'I am'. Whatever you think, say, or do, this sense of immutable and affectionate being remains as the ever-present background of the mind.Q: And you call it liberation?M: I call it normal. What is wrong with being, knowing and acting effortlessly and happily? Why consider it so unusual as to expect the immediate destruction of the body? What is wrong with the body that it should die? Correct your attitude to your body and leave it alone. Don't pamper, don't torture. Just keep it going, most of the time below the threshold of conscious attention.http://www.celextel.org/otherbooks/iamthat.html?page=4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , "ac" <adithya_comming wrote:>> > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" hurg@ wrote:> >> >> >> > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> > >> > >> > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > > Nisargadatta , "ac" adithya_comming@ wrote:> > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Nisargadatta , "Hur Guler" <hurg@> wrote:> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Nisargadatta , "Lene" lschwabe@ wrote:> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one> -> > > > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on> this> > > > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here?> What> > > > > > > are we doing?> > > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the> impersonal> > > > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we are> here> > > but> > > > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some> sort> > > of> > > > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of> immortality.> > > > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same> > > > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us.> > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and> so> > > many> > > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to> forget> > > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of> > > parties> > > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure> if> > > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'.> > > > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or> freedom> > > from> > > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and> > > happiness> > > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. This> reason> > > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the> root> > > of> > > > > suffering.> > > > > ac> > > > >> > > >> > > > Oh...so that's what "liberation" means. It's an opiate for the> masses> > > to relieve the pain of being.> > > >> > >> > > "Masses"... ???> > > I don't think spiritual inquiry requires a mass to do it. It is more> of> > > an individual inquiry in which one finds out the root of his/her own> > > suffering and the reality of the entity that suffers. I am not sure> if> > > it is same as the Sunday mass.> > >> > I didn't realize that the individual inquiry meant finding the root of> one's own suffering.> Ok.> > > Let's say one finds the root of suffering, how do you cure it?> Let us first find and understand it...> Without finding and understanding it, talking of "curing" it might be> confusing. Who knows, once we understand it , we might find that maybe,> it is not even that "bad", unnecessary or undesirable. And, if that is> the case, there wouldn't even be a need to "cure" it.> Let us first understand it.> > > > > > If i want $100 dollars, it's not the same as imaginary ones. I'd still> want the $100.> I don't think spiritual inquiry is about how to get $100. There are> other means and teachings that claim to do it - like how to become a> millionaire or, how to earn six figure income working from home, part> time :-)> M: Then who is the witness?Q: I am.M: So, you know the witness because you are the witness. You need not see the witness in front of you. Here again, to be is to know.Q: Yes, I see that I am the witness, the awareness itself. But in which way does it profit me?M: What a question! What kind of profit do you expect? To know what you are, is it not good enough?...http://www.celextel.org/otherbooks/iamthat.html?page=4Q: What are the uses of self-knowledge?M: It helps you to understand what you are not and keeps you free from false ideas, desires and actions.Q: If I am the witness only, what do right and wrong matter?M: What helps you to know yourself is right. What prevents, is wrong. To know one's real self is bliss, to forget -- is sorrow.Q: Is the witness-consciousness the real Self?M: It is the reflection of the real in the mind (buddhi). The real is beyond. The witness is the door through which you pass beyond.Q: What is the purpose of meditation?M: Seeing the false as the false, is meditation. This must go on all the time.Q: We are told to meditate regularly.M: Deliberate daily exercise in discrimination between the true and the false and renunciation of the false is meditation. There are many kinds of meditation to begin with, but they all merge finally into one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > Without finding and understanding it, talking of " curing " it might be > confusing. Who knows, once we understand it , we might find that maybe, > it is not even that " bad " , unnecessary or undesirable. And, if that is > the case, there wouldn't even be a need to " cure " it. > Let us first understand it. This is true to my experience. After inquiry, it cures itself if there is any curing to be done. And it's only ever the appearance of a cure. Julie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:10 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Marc > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:12 PM > Re: Re: i am that > > > > - > Marc > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:07 PM > Re: Re: i am that > > Marc > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:34 AM > Re: i am that > > " I love the way the man talks. Thanks for all of the quotes AC. > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > are we doing? > ............ ......... ... " > > " who " has ever been " here " ....?. .. > > somebody is here? > > " Lene " is here?... > > why is " Lene " here? > > because " Lene " want to imagine to be " here " > > ... > > Marc > > She knows that marc. We have been talking about it all along. But she also > sees > that there are other human beings around this one here (there). So she is > asking: > what for? > -geo- > > if she knew this already..... .good > > ... > > " there are other human beings around this one here...what for? " .... > > because she already forgot that " Lene " want them to be " there " > > ... > > Marc > > No. It was not " lene " . > -geo- > > " who " else.....could appear to/from/because of " Lene " ....? > > Marc > > Look around. Are there not dogs, pigs, wolves.....and...man around you? > Although we know that these organisms are just empty patterns of the > one.....there > are man. > -geo- You are asking someone out there to agree with you? -dan- You are asking this question to someone out there? -geo- And where are these dogs, pigs, wolves, and ... man? Are they existing things out there, separate from the observer of them? They are in this world. Why ask? -geo- You say " we " know that they are empty patterns of the one. Who is this " we " who knows this? -dan- Who is this " you " in " you say " ? Someone that is out there? -geo- And you say " even though " we know this ... " there are man. " Well, is it empty patterns or not? -dan- Yes, empty patterns as man. What is the problem? There are empty patterns as hot-dogs also. Are you alright? -geo- Is there something out there, or not? -dan- Again? No. What makes you think so? -geo- I'm not really asking you to make up your mind. It may sound like that, but no, it's not important to me that you make up your mind what you are saying. - Dan - " Your mind " ? Who is that? Someone apart? LOL -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:23:57 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:43:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:14 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:48 PM > Re: i am that > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - I > > bought the fish. > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order > > to > > sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in > > order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, > > with > > a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. > > To > > this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are > > discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new > > movement is only attainable through the realization of > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for that > > would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the > > same reasons as in #1. > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In Search Of > > The Miraculous. > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up there. > > -geo- > > Geo - > > You honestly believe that? > > Wow. > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of just > a > little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that must > be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of the > " chosen few, " eh? > > Very special, no? > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > - D - > > Whom are you adressing? > -geo- Is that a requirement - that there be someone being addressed? - D - Is it for geo? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:23:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:44:01 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " julesmiel " <julesmiel wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > Without finding and understanding it, talking of " curing " it might be > > confusing. Who knows, once we understand it , we might find that maybe, > > it is not even that " bad " , unnecessary or undesirable. And, if that is > > the case, there wouldn't even be a need to " cure " it. > > Let us first understand it. > > This is true to my experience. After inquiry, it cures itself if > there is any curing to be done. Ask your local package of bacon. It knows if there's any curing to be done. > And it's only ever the appearance of a cure. Eek! Thought somethin' tasted rotten this morning with my eggs ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - ac Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:31 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " ac " adithya_comming@ wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Hur Guler " <hurg@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Lene " lschwabe@ wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - > > > > explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this > > > > planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What > > > > are we doing? > > > > > > > > > > Whether the answer comes from the personal dual or the impersonal > > nondual angle, I don't think we just want to know why we ar e here but > > our motivation is how we can continue to exist and achieve some sort of > > immortality. All spiritual teachings offer a promise of immortality. > > Nondual teachings are more subltle and yet they serve the same > > purpose...it's still something to hold on to for us. > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many commit and so many > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and alcohol to forget > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the noise of parties > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am not sure if > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom from > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and happiness > > is to be only found within and not in external objec ts. This reason > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root of > > suffering. > > ac > > > There's not very far to look, A C. > > It's not out there, and it's not someone else's. > > - D - Yes, this is what many " gurus " have said too. ac I thing you are badly in need of a guru, ac. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:24:06 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:52:39 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:44 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:56 PM > Re: i am that > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - I > > > bought the fish. > > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order > > > to sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in > > > order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, > > > with a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. > > > To this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are > > > discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new > > > movement is only attainable through the realization of > > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for > > > that > > > would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the > > > same reasons as in #1. > > > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In Search > > > Of > > > The Miraculous. > > > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up > > > there. > > > -geo- > > > > Geo - > > > > You honestly believe that? > > > > Wow. > > > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of > > just > > a little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that > > must be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of > > the " chosen few, " eh? > > > > Very special, no? > > > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > > > - D - > > > > You honestly believe there's a Geo-entity there, Daniel-san, believing > something? > > Do I honestly believe there's a Danielsan-entity-there, Tim-san, believing > in a Geo-entity there? > > Naah. > -tim- > > I was going to say something very similar. The old pendulum trap. Swing to > the side that makes you > apparently look nicer and handsomer in the picture. LOL > -geo- Indeed... And " where " is this picture always " located " ... ;-). -tim- On the same old new srcreen.... -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:24:08 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:54:58 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 23, 2010 Report Share Posted February 23, 2010 Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > Tim G. > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:44 PM > Re: i am that > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > Tim G. > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:56 PM > > Re: i am that > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - I > > > > bought the fish. > > > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in order > > > > to sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed in > > > > order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, conditioned, > > > > with a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its needs. > > > > To this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are > > > > discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This new > > > > movement is only attainable through the realization of > > > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for > > > > that > > > > would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not the > > > > same reasons as in #1. > > > > > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In Search > > > > Of > > > > The Miraculous. > > > > > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up > > > > there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > You honestly believe that? > > > > > > Wow. > > > > > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of > > > just > > > a little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that > > > must be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of > > > the " chosen few, " eh? > > > > > > Very special, no? > > > > > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > You honestly believe there's a Geo-entity there, Daniel-san, believing > > something? > > > > Do I honestly believe there's a Danielsan-entity-there, Tim-san, believing > > in a Geo-entity there? > > > > Naah. > > -tim- > > > > I was going to say something very similar. The old pendulum trap. Swing to > > the side that makes you > > apparently look nicer and handsomer in the picture. LOL > > -geo- > > Indeed... > > And " where " is this picture always " located " ... ;-). > -tim- > > On the same old new srcreen.... > -geo- And so, there never has been " someone else " that " sees me a certain way " (verbally speaking). An " other " isn't even visible, verbally speaking. Nor by sight, nor sound, nor smell, nor touch, nor taste, to be quite honest. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 - Tim G. Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:48 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > > > > > > > > > Considering that so many people are suicidal. So many > commit and > > > > > so > > > > > > > many > > > > > > > > > attempt or contempt suicide. So many use drugs and > alcohol to > > > > > forget > > > > > > > > > their 'existence' and so many try to bury it under the > noise of > > > > > > > parties > > > > > > > > > etc and so many are dependent on anti-depressants, I am > not sure > > > > > if > > > > > > > > > everyone is really wishing for 'immortality'. > > > > > > > > > Many " gurus " say that everyone is looking for happiness > or > > > > > freedom > > > > > > > from > > > > > > > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace > and > > > > > > > happiness > > > > > > > > > is to be only found within and not in external objects. > This > > > > > reason > > > > > > > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to > find the > > > > > root > > > > > > > of > > > > > > > > > suffering. > > > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There's not very far to look, A C. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It's not out there, and it's not someone else's. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yes, this is what many " gurus " have said too. > > > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 'Taint in the sayin', and tain't in the listenin', it's all in > the > > > > > realizin'. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Do you realize that, Tim? > > > > > ac > > > > > > > > Does it matter to the reader? > > > > > > > > If so, why? > > > > > > > > > > > > > You are " the reader " . > > > > > > > No, you are. > > > > No, *you* are. > > > > No.... *yoooooooo* are ;-). > > > When " Tim " reads Tim is the reader. > When I read, I am the reader. > Since Tim is the the one who wrote: > 'Taint in the sayin', and tain't in the listenin', it's all in the > realizin'. > > I am assuming that realizin is important to Tim. > Is realization important to Tim, the man who is reading this text, > now? > > Whose realization is important to him, his own or someone else's? " His own " is not apart from someone else's. -tim- Then what the word else's stand for? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:24:20 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 20:00:59 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 5:55 PM Re: Re: i am that - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 1:12 PM Re: Re: i am that - Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 12:07 PM Re: Re: i am that Marc Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 11:34 AM Re: i am that " I love the way the man talks. Thanks for all of the quotes AC. What I do not get - and so far never heard any guru, any one - explain in a way which is satisfactory, is: why are we on this planet earth anyway? It is so painful so why are we here? What are we doing? ............. ......... ... " " who " has ever been " here " ....?. .. somebody is here? " Lene " is here?... why is " Lene " here? because " Lene " want to imagine to be " here " .... Marc She knows that marc. We have been talking about it all along. But she also sees that there are other human beings around this one here (there). So she is asking: what for? -geo- if she knew this already..... .good .... " there are other human beings around this one here...what for? " .... because she already forgot that " Lene " want them to be " there " .... Marc No. It was not " lene " . -geo- " who " else.....could appear to/from/because of " Lene " ....? Marc Look around. Are there not dogs, pigs, wolves.....and. ..man around you? Although we know that these organisms are just empty patterns of the one.....there are man. -geo- your words aren't the words of this " geo " ?..... " empty " words so... how come that you want to give It a meaning?... to whom?... (if not to this imaginary " geo " ...who is not at all empty....but filled up with some illusions and confusions....about the " One " " geo " . Marc You sound very confused tonight. -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 19:24:21 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 23/2/2010 20:02:24 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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