Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 [...]> > > > Oh...so that's what "liberation" means. It's an opiate for the> > > > masses to relieve the pain of being.> > > >> > > > > > Q: I may not remember, but that does not disprove my being occasionally> > unconscious.> > M: Why not turn away from the experience to the experiencer and realise> > the full import of the only true statement you can make: 'I am'?> > > > Q: How is it done?> > M: There is no 'how' here. Just keep in mind the feeling 'I am', merge> > in it, till your mind and feeling become one. By repeated attempts you> > will stumble on the right balance of attention and affection and your> > mind will be firmly established in the thought-feeling 'I am'. Whatever> > you think, say, or do, this sense of immutable and affectionate being> > remains as the ever-present background of the mind.> > > > Q: And you call it liberation?> > M: I call it normal. What is wrong with being, knowing and acting> > effortlessly and happily? Why consider it so unusual as to expect the> > immediate destruction of the body? What is wrong with the body that it> > should die? Correct your attitude to your body and leave it alone. Don't> > pamper, don't torture. Just keep it going, most of the time below the> > threshold of conscious attention.> > http://www.celextel.org/otherbooks/iamthat.html?page=4> > <http://www.celextel.org/otherbooks/iamthat.html?page=4>> >> > How does this quote apply to the thread? I don't get it. You asked about the liberation. I wanted to quote something that Maharaj said about it. That was the quote I had seen recently. This is what I read Ramana Maharshi say about it:If it is said, that Liberation is of three kinds, with form or without form or with and without form, then let me tell you that the extinction of three forms of Liberation is the only true Liberation.http://www.theendofseeking.net/OW%20-%20Ramana%20Maharshi%20-%2040%20Verses%20on%20Reality.html> I'm still not sure if self inquiry is to find the root of suffering as you said but perhaps it's a tool to eliminate the personal suffering to a certain degree for ordinary people till pain happens again.> I am sharing my understanding of it. To understand suffering, you must go beyond pain and pleasure. Your own desires and fears prevent you from understanding and thereby helping others. In reality there are no others, and by helping yourself you help everybody else. If you are serious about the suffering of mankind, you must perfect the only means of help you have, yourself. ~ NisargadattaIn the end you know that there is no sin, no guilt, no retribution, only life in its endless transformations. With the dissolution of the personal "I", personal suffering disappears. What remains is the great sadness of compassion, the horror of the unnecessary pain~ Nisargadattahttp://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EtF_Ud2M0HU"Know and always hold onto the Self. Disregard the body and the mind. To identify with them is misery. Dive deep into the Heart, the source of being and peace, and establish yourself there."Ramana MaharshiRamana Maharshi seem to take almost every inquiry into finding Real "I":The State of non-emergence of 'I' is the state of being THAT. Without questing for that State of the non-emergence of 'I' and attaining It, how can one accomplish one's own extinction, from which the 'I' does not revive? Without that attainment how is it possible to abide in one's true State, where one is THAT?Just as a man would dive in order to get something that had fallen into the water, so one should dive into oneself, with a keen one-pointed mind, controlling speech and breath, and find the place whence the 'I' originates.The only enquiry leading to Self-realization is seeking the Source of the 'I' with in-turned mind and without uttering the word 'I'. Meditation on 'I am not this; I am That' may be an aid to the enquiry but it cannot be the enquiry.If one enquires 'Who am I?' within the mind, the individual 'I' falls down abashed as soon as one reaches the Heart and immediately Reality manifests itself spontaneously as 'I-I'. Although it reveals itself as 'I', it is not the ego but the Perfect Being, the Absolute Self.http://www.theendofseeking.net/OW%20-%20Ramana%20Maharshi%20-%2040%20Verses%20on%20Reality.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 [...]> > > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom > > > > from> > > > suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and happiness> > > > is to be only found within and not in external objec ts. This reason> > > > behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root of> > > > suffering.> > > > ac> > >> > >> > > There's not very far to look, A C.> > >> > > It's not out there, and it's not someone else's.> > >> > > - D -> >> >> >> >> > Yes, this is what many "gurus" have said too.> > ac> >> > I thing you are badly in need of a guru, a c.> > -geo-> >> > Why do you suspect that I put the word guru in quotes, Geo?> I put that in quote because many of them like Ramana Maharshi didn't > consider themselves to be anyone's guru. Many times, it was a label that > others assigned to them.> -ac-> > OK... Then you are badly in need of a "guru"> -geo-> Thanks for telling me about yourself, Geo! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > " Once you know with absolute certainty that nothing can trouble you but your own imagination, you come to disregard your desires and fears, concepts and ideas and live by truth alone. " -- Nis., from " I Am That " > > > > > > > > Hear, here. > > > > > > > > Listen up! > > > > > > > > Smiles, > > > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > It seems nothing can 'keep one company' but one's own imagination, too. > > > > > > That seems to be the sticking point. > > > > Agreed. > > > > Once it gets going. > > > > Like a locomotive running down hill. > > > > What's going to stop it? > > Indeed. > > Awareness gets filled with " many voices " , one might say. > > All believed to be 'real', to be 'out there', to be 'different than one's own'. > > One believes to be surrounded by a multitude. > > I even seem to recall some mild auditory " hearing of voices " as part of the fragment's dissolution, as though the many voices were objecting to the truth. > P.S. Frank Herbert draws some interesting parallels with this as well, in his " Dune " series. Some stuff about having a multitude of people " living inside " , from the past. Don't know if you've read it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 [...]> > > > > Many "gurus" say that everyone is looking for happiness or freedom from suffering. They further say that the true, lasting peace and happiness is to be only found within and not in external objects. This reason behind spiritual inquiry I think might be truer - to find the root of the suffering.[...]All beings desire happiness always, happiness without a tinge of sorrow. At the same time everybody loves himself best. The cause for love is only happiness. So, that happiness must lie in one. Further that happiness is daily experienced by everyone in sleep, when there is no mind. To attain that natural happiness one must know oneself. For that, Self-Enquiry, 'Who am I?' is the chief means. ~ Sri Ramana Maharshihttp://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/ Happiness is your nature.It is not wrong to desire it.What is wrong is seeking it outside when it is inside.~ Sri Ramana MaharshiNearly all mankind is more or less unhappybecause nearly all do not know the true Self.Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone. All else is fleeting. To know one's Selfis to be blissful always. ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi..Bliss is not something to be got.On the other hand you are always Bliss.This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness.To whom is this sense of incompleteness?Enquire. In deep sleep you were blissful.Now you are not so.What has interposed between that Bliss and this non-bliss?It is the ego.Seek its source and find you are Bliss.~ Sri Ramana Maharshihttp://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Maharshi.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Blugga, blugga, blooga. Who is " Sri Ramana Maharshi " , anyway? Famous dead guy who liked to babble ;-). Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > All beings desire happiness always, happiness without a tinge of sorrow. > At the same time everybody loves himself best. The cause for love is > only happiness. So, that happiness must lie in one. Further that > happiness is daily experienced by everyone in sleep, when there is no > mind. To attain that natural happiness one must know oneself. For that, > Self-Enquiry, 'Who am I?' is the chief means. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/ > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > > Happiness is your nature.It is not wrong to desire it.What is wrong is > seeking it outside when it is inside. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > Nearly all mankind is more or less unhappybecause nearly all do not know > the true Self.Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone. All else is > fleeting. To know one's Selfis to be blissful always. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > ..Bliss is not something to be got.On the other hand you are always > Bliss.This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness.To > whom is this sense of incompleteness?Enquire. In deep sleep you were > blissful.Now you are not so.What has interposed between that Bliss and > this non-bliss?It is the ego.Seek its source and find you are Bliss. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Maharshi.html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Nisargadatta , " dan330033 " <dan330033 wrote: > > > > > OK...i wont laugh anymore. > > -geo- > > Oh? > > So, your immune system is fully functioning now. > > Congratulations! > > - D - > Naah... he's full of bacteria. Have him stick out his tongue, and take a look at the back of it ;-). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 Blugga, blugga, blooga. Who is " Sri Ramana Maharshi " , anyway? Famous dead guy who liked to babble ;-). ....what's on in here....?.... infinite number of messages of non-sense.....as for example also from bubbling " tim " .....who is telling everyone on his internet sites and blogs that he is enlightened...... But indeed.... Reading this neos Freaks in here.... There is Nobody anymore " who " could care about anything.... .... Means, this spiritual kids in here behave as stupid as they wish to.... in the name of " Nobody " ..... .... lol ..... and/or .... LOL Marc Nisargadatta, " ac " <adithya_comming@ ...> wrote: > > [...] > All beings desire happiness always, happiness without a tinge of sorrow. > At the same time everybody loves himself best. The cause for love is > only happiness. So, that happiness must lie in one. Further that > happiness is daily experienced by everyone in sleep, when there is no > mind. To attain that natural happiness one must know oneself. For that, > Self-Enquiry, 'Who am I?' is the chief means. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.arunacha la.org/ramana/ teachings/ > <http://www.arunacha la.org/ramana/ teachings/> > <http://www.arunacha la.org/ramana/ teachings/> > > Happiness is your nature.It is not wrong to desire it.What is wrong is > seeking it outside when it is inside. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > Nearly all mankind is more or less unhappybecause nearly all do not know > the true Self.Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone. All else is > fleeting. To know one's Selfis to be blissful always. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > ..Bliss is not something to be got.On the other hand you are always > Bliss.This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness. To > whom is this sense of incompleteness? Enquire. In deep sleep you were > blissful.Now you are not so.What has interposed between that Bliss and > this non-bliss?It is the ego.Seek its source and find you are Bliss. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://peacefulrive rs.homestead. com/Maharshi. html > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 How dare you quote this other guy.......in nisis forum? Which side you are??!! Decide! -geo- Blugga, blugga, blooga. Who is " Sri Ramana Maharshi " , anyway? Famous dead guy who liked to babble ;-). Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming wrote: > > [...] > All beings desire happiness always, happiness without a tinge of sorrow. > At the same time everybody loves himself best. The cause for love is > only happiness. So, that happiness must lie in one. Further that > happiness is daily experienced by everyone in sleep, when there is no > mind. To attain that natural happiness one must know oneself. For that, > Self-Enquiry, 'Who am I?' is the chief means. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/ > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > > Happiness is your nature.It is not wrong to desire it.What is wrong is > seeking it outside when it is inside. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > Nearly all mankind is more or less unhappybecause nearly all do not know > the true Self.Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone. All else is > fleeting. To know one's Selfis to be blissful always. > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > ..Bliss is not something to be got.On the other hand you are always > Bliss.This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness.To > whom is this sense of incompleteness?Enquire. In deep sleep you were > blissful.Now you are not so.What has interposed between that Bliss and > this non-bliss?It is the ego.Seek its source and find you are Bliss. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Maharshi.html > avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 24/2/2010 06:54:10 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 24/2/2010 07:08:32 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 - dan330033 Nisargadatta Tuesday, February 23, 2010 10:01 PM Re: i am that Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor wrote: > > > - > dan330033 > Nisargadatta > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 8:39 PM > Re: i am that > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > - > > dan330033 > > Nisargadatta > > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 4:14 PM > > Re: i am that > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > - > > > dan330033 > > > Nisargadatta > > > Tuesday, February 23, 2010 3:48 PM > > > Re: i am that > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " geo " <inandor@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Lene: why are we on this planet earth anyway? > > > > > > > > geo: When I read Gurdjieffa long time ago it became obvious to me - > > > > I > > > > bought the fish. > > > > Mankind is on earth for two absolutely different reasons. > > > > > > > > 1- To fulfill the needs - on a cosmic level - of the absolute in > > > > order > > > > to > > > > sustain the creation and maintainence of the universe. > > > > In this sense man, or organic life on earth as a whole, are needed > > > > in > > > > order to keep the ray of creation working. But for this > > > > what is needed is a mankind just like it is: mechanical, > > > > conditioned, > > > > with > > > > a sense of herd consciousness. It is as if the earth > > > > needed the wars and collective conflicts to fulfill some of its > > > > needs. > > > > To > > > > this there is nothing " we " must do - just remain ignorant > > > > and sleeping as we are. that is what is needed in a cosmic scale. > > > > > > > > 2- For a few there is the opportunity to change. That is what we are > > > > discussing in these forums (not entering in that now). > > > > This change is a turn inward. A " new " movement in its nature. This > > > > new > > > > movement is only attainable through the realization of > > > > non-separation, of " existing " . It is not meant to the majority for > > > > that > > > > would disturb the other needs of the universe (#1) - but for some > > > > it is possible and necessary for the universe.... in this case not > > > > the > > > > same reasons as in #1. > > > > > > > > This can be read in Ouspensky's (G's student) book called - In > > > > Search > > > > Of > > > > The Miraculous. > > > > > > > > NOTE: Those are very quick and not very carefully chosen words up > > > > there. > > > > -geo- > > > > > > Geo - > > > > > > You honestly believe that? > > > > > > Wow. > > > > > > (Not to mention, it contradicts the " no inner/no outer " you spoke of > > > just > > > a > > > little while ago. Now, it is cosmic levels and a ray of creation that > > > must > > > be kept working, not to mention getting to be selected to be one of > > > the > > > " chosen few, " eh? > > > > > > Very special, no? > > > > > > Quite a mythology you bought into. > > > > > > - D - > > > > > > Whom are you adressing? > > > -geo- > > > > Is that a requirement - that there be someone being addressed? > > > > - D - > > > > Is it for geo? > > -geo- > > You've got questions. > > The answer is already there, before the question. > > - D - > > Then why ask " Is that a requirement - that there be someone being > addressed " ? > The answer is already there, before the question. > -geo- I know, that's why I asked. - D - That is what i did. So what? -geo- avast! Antivirus: Inbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 24/2/2010 06:54:04 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. --- avast! Antivirus: Outbound message clean. Virus Database (VPS): 100218-1, 18/02/2010 Tested on: 24/2/2010 07:30:26 avast! - copyright © 1988-2010 ALWIL Software. http://www.avast.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 24, 2010 Report Share Posted February 24, 2010 It's one of the better things we can do with our lives, imo. Waste time on reading the famous dead guys. That or practicing loving-kindness without furthering our bullshit guru-wanna-be-ness. Or feeding the hungry here, digging a well there, or peacefully marching with a little brown man in our hearts. ~A Nisargadatta , " Tim G. " <fewtch wrote: > > Blugga, blugga, blooga. > > Who is " Sri Ramana Maharshi " , anyway? > > Famous dead guy who liked to babble ;-). > > Nisargadatta , " ac " <adithya_comming@> wrote: > > > > [...] > > All beings desire happiness always, happiness without a tinge of sorrow. > > At the same time everybody loves himself best. The cause for love is > > only happiness. So, that happiness must lie in one. Further that > > happiness is daily experienced by everyone in sleep, when there is no > > mind. To attain that natural happiness one must know oneself. For that, > > Self-Enquiry, 'Who am I?' is the chief means. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/ > > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > > <http://www.arunachala.org/ramana/teachings/> > > > > Happiness is your nature.It is not wrong to desire it.What is wrong is > > seeking it outside when it is inside. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > Nearly all mankind is more or less unhappybecause nearly all do not know > > the true Self.Real happiness abides in Self-knowledge alone. All else is > > fleeting. To know one's Selfis to be blissful always. > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > ..Bliss is not something to be got.On the other hand you are always > > Bliss.This desire [for Bliss] is born of the sense of incompleteness.To > > whom is this sense of incompleteness?Enquire. In deep sleep you were > > blissful.Now you are not so.What has interposed between that Bliss and > > this non-bliss?It is the ego.Seek its source and find you are Bliss. > > > > ~ Sri Ramana Maharshi > > > > http://peacefulrivers.homestead.com/Maharshi.html > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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