Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 ....this hunting is " verborrhea-hunting " . The hunting of the neurotic, who never dares to do it in reality (but, dreams every night about a " real hunt " )! To post in forums isn't really " hunting " . I prefer sincere, genuine predators and not just henpecked husbands, like GP, e.g. A bunch of pussies, so to speak, performing hunts hidden behind their monitors. It is much more fun to " hunt " nice girls a have here and there a little romance than to masturbate the whole day in front of a computer! Ricardo Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > >Eric: Reading carefully this and that opinion about what should be and what should not be, it occurs to me that liberation is that event that happens to one in a million individuals and is the ability to immediately stop suffering; your body is accurately tuned onto itself and its environment to find it, fix it and finish it, problem solved, next event of life please. > > > > > > When you ask someone to modify her behavior it is either, " be as i want you to be " or " stop suffering right now! " > > > > > > that is: > > > > > > " Be liberated please! " > > > am kindly asking you: > > > be right now as Ramana, Jesus or Ma Anandamoyi and stop taking part, associating, planning, thinking harm or hurt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anna: However, " it is finished " is always a project nearing *completion*. > > > > Quite self-serving, and life-affirming. > > > > In this sense it's all about life..... And living it to the fullest > > in the only way possible....with and in an open mind and open heart. > > > > > > ~A > > P: Hi Eric, > > This post is one of your best. A real Jewel! > I would like to discuss with you all its > possibilities. Granted that you have described > the fruit of liberation very accurately as: > > " Liberation, is liberation from irresistible impulses, when a person can refrain from harm and hurt, soon and clearly identifies a potential harm and in that clarity also finds resource, intelligence and strength to avoid it. " > > > > " Persons, place, situations, objects are each a pack of data, a load, a potential for future happening that liberations reads at a >glance, and avoids entanglement. " > > Great! But how can readers in these lists get > there? In my opinion, a good way is inquiring > into the sukha in dukkha. In simpler terms, the > pleasure to be found in hurting. Let's acknowledge > our predatory nature. We descent from hunters who > depended on killing for their food. It's only > natural that they derived great excitement from > pursuing and cornering their prey. > > Even among us gentle nondualists the love of > chasing and cornering an opponent in debate > is a pleasurable sport. We love hurt as art, > in drama and tragedy. The hunter in us love > to watch life ( as the great hunter) cornering > and killing its prey. We love the hunt so much > that when we can't be the hunter, we enjoy playing > the prey. > > I didn't snip Anna's response to your post as an > example of hunters disguised as prey. Anna > loves the hunt! Unlike GP, she doesn't use > the heavy maze of sarcasm, nor knifes her > victims with the display of their shortcomings > to cause hurt, she uses a more pernicious weapon, > she smothers every post she responds to with > syrupy generalities. > > GP and I, are brothers of the " heavy hand, " > like sadistic dentists our goal is pure, but > sometimes we have to much fun pulling teeth. > It's a very difficult thing to keep in check. > Look how unmercifully he goes against the > hapless Simon. > > It's a fine art to know where the line is > drawn, and where your good intentions to > correct behavior, become just a cover to > indulge in the pleasures of the hunt. To > see the hunter at play even in the most > innocent pursues requires a sharp eye. To > indulge the hunter, people sometimes stalk > and hurt themselves. > > This is a very useful subject to explore > and I hope that you, and others will don > your explorers suits and hunt the hunter > in us. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 That's as good a judgment as they get. now who's right and who's wrong is well established. who's way is better than the others is clear as day. and one fine day.. the right ones, the good ones..will go to heaven. the wrong ones, the less than better ones..won't care. too bad for them huh? ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > ...this hunting is " verborrhea-hunting " . The hunting of the neurotic, who never dares to do it in reality (but, dreams every night about a " real hunt " )! To post in forums isn't really " hunting " . I prefer sincere, genuine predators and not just henpecked husbands, like GP, e.g. A bunch of pussies, so to speak, performing hunts hidden behind their monitors. It is much more fun to " hunt " nice girls a have here and there a little romance than to masturbate the whole day in front of a computer! > > Ricardo > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > GuruRatings , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > > > >Eric: Reading carefully this and that opinion about what should be and what should not be, it occurs to me that liberation is that event that happens to one in a million individuals and is the ability to immediately stop suffering; your body is accurately tuned onto itself and its environment to find it, fix it and finish it, problem solved, next event of life please. > > > > > > > > When you ask someone to modify her behavior it is either, " be as i want you to be " or " stop suffering right now! " > > > > > > > > that is: > > > > > > > > " Be liberated please! " > > > > am kindly asking you: > > > > be right now as Ramana, Jesus or Ma Anandamoyi and stop taking part, associating, planning, thinking harm or hurt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anna: However, " it is finished " is always a project nearing *completion*. > > > > > > Quite self-serving, and life-affirming. > > > > > > In this sense it's all about life..... And living it to the fullest > > > in the only way possible....with and in an open mind and open heart. > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > P: Hi Eric, > > > > This post is one of your best. A real Jewel! > > I would like to discuss with you all its > > possibilities. Granted that you have described > > the fruit of liberation very accurately as: > > > > " Liberation, is liberation from irresistible impulses, when a person can refrain from harm and hurt, soon and clearly identifies a potential harm and in that clarity also finds resource, intelligence and strength to avoid it. " > > > > > > " Persons, place, situations, objects are each a pack of data, a load, a potential for future happening that liberations reads at a >glance, and avoids entanglement. " > > > > Great! But how can readers in these lists get > > there? In my opinion, a good way is inquiring > > into the sukha in dukkha. In simpler terms, the > > pleasure to be found in hurting. Let's acknowledge > > our predatory nature. We descent from hunters who > > depended on killing for their food. It's only > > natural that they derived great excitement from > > pursuing and cornering their prey. > > > > Even among us gentle nondualists the love of > > chasing and cornering an opponent in debate > > is a pleasurable sport. We love hurt as art, > > in drama and tragedy. The hunter in us love > > to watch life ( as the great hunter) cornering > > and killing its prey. We love the hunt so much > > that when we can't be the hunter, we enjoy playing > > the prey. > > > > I didn't snip Anna's response to your post as an > > example of hunters disguised as prey. Anna > > loves the hunt! Unlike GP, she doesn't use > > the heavy maze of sarcasm, nor knifes her > > victims with the display of their shortcomings > > to cause hurt, she uses a more pernicious weapon, > > she smothers every post she responds to with > > syrupy generalities. > > > > GP and I, are brothers of the " heavy hand, " > > like sadistic dentists our goal is pure, but > > sometimes we have to much fun pulling teeth. > > It's a very difficult thing to keep in check. > > Look how unmercifully he goes against the > > hapless Simon. > > > > It's a fine art to know where the line is > > drawn, and where your good intentions to > > correct behavior, become just a cover to > > indulge in the pleasures of the hunt. To > > see the hunter at play even in the most > > innocent pursues requires a sharp eye. To > > indulge the hunter, people sometimes stalk > > and hurt themselves. > > > > This is a very useful subject to explore > > and I hope that you, and others will don > > your explorers suits and hunt the hunter > > in us. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 16, 2009 Report Share Posted March 16, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > GuruRatings , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@> wrote: > > > > > >Eric: Reading carefully this and that opinion about what should be and what should not be, it occurs to me that liberation is that event that happens to one in a million individuals and is the ability to immediately stop suffering; your body is accurately tuned onto itself and its environment to find it, fix it and finish it, problem solved, next event of life please. > > > > > > When you ask someone to modify her behavior it is either, " be as i want you to be " or " stop suffering right now! " > > > > > > that is: > > > > > > " Be liberated please! " > > > am kindly asking you: > > > be right now as Ramana, Jesus or Ma Anandamoyi and stop taking part, associating, planning, thinking harm or hurt. > > > > > > > > > > > > > >Anna: However, " it is finished " is always a project nearing *completion*. > > > > Quite self-serving, and life-affirming. > > > > In this sense it's all about life..... And living it to the fullest > > in the only way possible....with and in an open mind and open heart. > > > > > > ~A > > P: Hi Eric, > > This post is one of your best. A real Jewel! > I would like to discuss with you all its > possibilities. Granted that you have described > the fruit of liberation very accurately as: > > " Liberation, is liberation from irresistible impulses, when a person can refrain from harm and hurt, soon and clearly identifies a potential harm and in that clarity also finds resource, intelligence and strength to avoid it. " > Associating liberation with a rule is no liberation at all - it is neurosis. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You are posting as a guest. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.
Note: Your post will require moderator approval before it will be visible.