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To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

is to be passionate. There is no realization

without passion. To be enlightened is to

strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

you radiate that contagious charisma of being

here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

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> To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> is to be passionate. There is no realization

> without passion. To be enlightened is to

> strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

>

> Pete

>

 

 

Wondereful, Pete !

 

Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

 

But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened.

I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

 

If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

 

Werner

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Hi Pete,

congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate

and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A

striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't

important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We

are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

 

Ricardo

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> >

> > Pete

> >

>

>

> Wondereful, Pete !

>

> Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

>

> But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

>

> If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

>

> Werner

>

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> is to be passionate. There is no realization

> without passion. To be enlightened is to

> strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

>

> Pete

>

 

 

so where is your passion Pete?....

 

where is your realization....?...

 

.....

 

only great ego's have such passion....

 

....as long everything concerning realization remain unknown...

 

.....

 

:)

 

 

Marc

 

 

Ps: some egos never want to know It

such rejection result into many imaginations & illusions....and also into passion

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote:

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> Hi Pete,

> congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate

and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A

striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't

important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We

are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

>

> Ricardo

 

 

Wow, Ricardo,

 

You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work "

to reach the destination.

 

Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it.

 

Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ?

 

Werner

 

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> >

> > Wondereful, Pete !

> >

> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> >

> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> >

> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

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Hahaha! You might have some neurological disorder....I know you're joking! In my

opinion, all these spiritual lists are crowded by big egos. I would say, only

big egos are interested in finding themselves, realization, true selves,

enlightenment or whatever goal of this kind. Logically thus, it takes a strong

effort for this people to get rid of this ego or, at least, to minimize it.

Lacan would say these egos do not accept " castration " ! Hence, there only to

possibilities, 1. to get psychotic, 2. to reach realization/emancipation. These

egos are like big children who don't want to subjugate themselves to the Law,

i.e. to become castrated. The " social " isn't completely accepted in most people,

there is always a me and a other/Other, i.e. resistance, i.e. suffering. Most

people can go on living with that producing all kind of neurosis to cope with

the problem. Big Egos can't do that. They want to find the source of the

problem. They want to reach and touch their own limits. They do not comply. Thy

fight and never give up until the found their " truth " .

 

Ricardo

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote:

> >

> > Hi Pete,

> > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the

passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an

ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim

isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.

We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

> >

> > Ricardo

>

>

> Wow, Ricardo,

>

> You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted

work " to reach the destination.

>

> Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it.

>

> Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ?

>

> Werner

>

> >

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wondereful, Pete !

> > >

> > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> > >

> > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> > >

> > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote:

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> Hahaha! You might have some neurological disorder....I know you're joking! In

my opinion, all these spiritual lists are crowded by big egos.

 

 

Surely I was joking, Ricardo. But with a raised finger: " Watch out !

 

 

> I would say, only big egos are interested in finding themselves, realization,

true selves, enlightenment or whatever goal of this kind. Logically thus, it

takes a strong effort for this people to get rid of this ego or, at least, to

minimize it.

 

 

Don't touch the ego in any conctempful or violent way because you are that ego,

Ricardo. Don't throw contemptful remarks at it, just the contrary. Love and pay

respect to the ego (which is you). Else you are getting in conflict with

yourself and other egos.

 

To condemn and to fight the ego is an act of violence. And please see where

violence is starting, intelligence is ending.

 

So, intelligence is the means to meet the ego but not contempt and violence. You

can only learn about something as long as you face it, respecting it. But as

soon as you meet it with contempt you are turning your back at it and you are no

longer facing it and intelligence no longer got a chance to cope with it.

 

See that, Ricardo.

 

It is such a wide spread phiosophy to see the go in a negative way, as an enemy.

And it is not at all an enemy. It is one's precious friend.

 

Werner

 

 

> Lacan would say these egos do not accept " castration " ! Hence, there only to

possibilities, 1. to get psychotic, 2. to reach realization/emancipation. These

egos are like big children who don't want to subjugate themselves to the Law,

i.e. to become castrated. The " social " isn't completely accepted in most people,

there is always a me and a other/Other, i.e. resistance, i.e. suffering. Most

people can go on living with that producing all kind of neurosis to cope with

the problem. Big Egos can't do that. They want to find the source of the

problem. They want to reach and touch their own limits. They do not comply. Thy

fight and never give up until the found their " truth " .

>

> Ricardo

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Hi Pete,

> > > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the

passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an

ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim

isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.

We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

> > >

> > > Ricardo

> >

> >

> > Wow, Ricardo,

> >

> > You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted

work " to reach the destination.

> >

> > Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it.

> >

> > Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ?

> >

> > Werner

> >

> > >

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > > > >

> > > > > Pete

> > > > >

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Wondereful, Pete !

> > > >

> > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> > > >

> > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> > > >

> > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> > > >

> > > > Werner

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections

displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done.

-mahesh

 

 

 

kipalmazy <kipalmazyNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization

 

Hi Pete,congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.Ricardo Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> >> > To feel strongly, exclusively,

obsessively> > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > without passion. To be enlightened is to> > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > Pete> >> > > Wondereful, Pete !> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > Werner>

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well there you go!

 

that's the ticket.

 

now don't think about ut.

 

:-)

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

>

> mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i

realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i

realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting

with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying

pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world.

now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to

me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for

true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to

look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of

all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because

i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to

me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of

birth as

> medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed

being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire

to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it

creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete

realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like

always it has done.   

> -mahesh

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> kipalmazy <kipalmazy

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM

> Re: The Passion of Realization

>

>

> Hi Pete,

> congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate

and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A

striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't

important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We

are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

>

> Ricardo

>

> Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> >

> > Wondereful, Pete !

> >

> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> >

> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> >

> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

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Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote:

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> Hi Pete,

> R: congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the

passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization.

 

Hi Ricardo,

 

P: No, obsessive passion is realization itself. You are

very right that the goal is not important. If one is

obsessively passionated about golf, then one is being

lived by that passion. There are no doubts, no ego

getting in the way. The self is the passion itself

without any conflict. One gets up to a day of

passionated doing, and what that doing is matter little.

 

Let the listless bury the listless.

 

R: It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary.

The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has

written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and

persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

>

> Ricardo

>

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

Excellent!

 

now..

 

now that you have conquered NOT thinking about " ut " ..

 

don't think about " it " ...

 

nor this.

 

give'er a whirl.

 

it's real gone daddyo.

 

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

> well there you go!

>

> that's the ticket.

>

> now don't think about ut.

>

> :-)

>

> .b b.b.

>

>

>

>

>

> Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> >

> > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i

realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i

realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting

with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying

pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world.

now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to

me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for

true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to

look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of

all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because

i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to

me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of

birth as

> > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed

being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire

to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it

creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete

realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like

always it has done.   

> > -mahesh

> >

> >

> >

> > ________________________________

> > kipalmazy <kipalmazy@>

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM

> > Re: The Passion of Realization

> >

> >

> > Hi Pete,

> > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the

passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an

ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim

isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.

We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

> >

> > Ricardo

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wondereful, Pete !

> > >

> > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> > >

> > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> > >

> > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

>

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why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of

intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so

called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity.

-mahesh

 

----- Forwarded Message ----Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamatNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PMRe: Re: The Passion of Realization

 

 

 

mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form

called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done.

-mahesh

 

 

 

kipalmazy <kipalmazy >NisargadattaWednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization

 

Hi Pete,congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.Ricardo Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> >> > To feel strongly, exclusively,

obsessively> > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > without passion. To be enlightened is to> > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > Pete> >> > > Wondereful, Pete !> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > Werner>

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Well if you have to ask why..

 

it's no wonder why...

 

you're bewitched.. bothered...and bewildered.

 

as long as you stick around you'll find only this.

 

not much of a find though.

 

better to lose all that and find what you are not.

 

..b b.b.

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

>

> why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a

projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of  this character again a

creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat

nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place

called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against

uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always

appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize

for sake of  maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a

nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more

to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to

comprehend  the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i

am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of

losing

> everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation &

failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job

because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could

buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara,

nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of

shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because

we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the

wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba

with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so

called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions

beholding the eternity.

> -mahesh  

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> why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a

projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of  this character again a

creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat

nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place

called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against

uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always

appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize

for sake of  maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a

nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more

to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to

comprehend  the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i

am unable to free myself from it.

 

 

Mahesh

 

You cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought

which separates itself fromn it and then says " I want to be free from it " .

 

It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately

is existing from that charater.

 

And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be

read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ?

 

It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense.

 

Werner

 

 

 

>i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing

> everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation &

failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job

because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could

buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara,

nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of

shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because

we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the

wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba

wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so

called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions

beholding the eternity.

> -mahesh  

>

>

> ----- Forwarded Message ----

> Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM

> Re: Re: The Passion of Realization

>

>

> mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i

realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i

realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting

with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying

pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world.

now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to

me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for

true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to

look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of

all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because

i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to

me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of

birth as

> medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed

being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire

to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it

creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete

realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like

always it has done.   

> -mahesh

>

>

>

> ________________________________

> kipalmazy <kipalmazy >

> Nisargadatta

> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM

> Re: The Passion of Realization

>

>

> Hi Pete,

> congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate

and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A

striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't

important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.. We

are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent,

passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

>

> Ricardo

>

> Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> >

> > Wondereful, Pete !

> >

> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> >

> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> >

> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

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> why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a

projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of  this character again a

creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat

nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place

called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against

uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always

appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize

for sake of  maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a

nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more

to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to

comprehend  the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i

am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of

losing

> everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation &

failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job

because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could

buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara,

nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of

shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because

we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the

wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba

with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so

called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions

beholding the eternity.

> -mahesh  

>

>

 

you don't need to maintain any character

 

there is anyway no " you " who has the choice to maintain any character

 

yourSelf is already all the time free from any characters

 

.....

 

characters are coming and going....

 

....

 

yourSelf Is always identic

 

....

 

identic with all there Is for real

 

.....

 

no choice about That

 

 

 

Marc

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character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short.

-mahesh

 

 

 

Werner Woehr <wwoehrNisargadatta Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:19:26 AMFw: Re: The Passion of Realization

 

Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .> wrote:>> why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father

or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. MaheshYou cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought which separates itself fromn it and then says "I want to be free from it".It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately is existing from that charater.And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ?It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense.Werner>i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing> everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the

mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity.> -mahesh > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .>> Nisargadatta> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM> Re: Re: The Passion of Realization> > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of

shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as> medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > -mahesh> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> kipalmazy <kipalmazy >> Nisargadatta> Wednesday, March 18,

2009 2:44:52 PM> Re: The Passion of Realization> > > Hi Pete,> congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.> > Ricardo > > Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> > >> > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively> > > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > > without passion. To be

enlightened is to> > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > > > Pete> > >> > > > > > Wondereful, Pete !> > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > > > Werner> >>

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Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote:

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> character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. 

> -mahesh       

>

>

 

 

Thanks a lot, Mahesh, for cutting the story short. Seems you own the ability

very nicely, if you are asked for, to reveal your hidden mastership in

simplicity.

 

:)

 

Generally complexity in talking and writing is confused with intelligence. But

it is not.

 

To be simple is to be intelligent.

 

Werner

 

 

>

>

> ________________________________

> Werner Woehr <wwoehr

> Nisargadatta

> Friday, March 20, 2009 3:19:26 AM

> Fw: Re: The Passion of Realization

>

>

> Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@ .> wrote:

> >

> > why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a

projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of  this character again a

creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat

nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place

called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against

uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always

appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize

for sake of  maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a

nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more

to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural  with ability to

comprehend  the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i

am unable to free myself from it.

>

> Mahesh

>

> You cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought

which separates itself fromn it and then says " I want to be free from it " .

>

> It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately

is existing from that charater.

>

> And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be

read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ?

>

> It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense.

>

> Werner

>

> >i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing

> > everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation &

failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job

because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could

buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara,

nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of

shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because

we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the

wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba

wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance  after so

called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions

beholding the eternity.

> > -mahesh  

> >

> >

> > ----- Forwarded Message ----

> > Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@ .>

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM

> > Re: Re: The Passion of Realization

> >

> >

> > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i

realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i

realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting

with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying

pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world.

now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to

me differently.  i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for

true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to

look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of

all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because

i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to

me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of

birth

> as

> > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed

being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire

to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it

creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete

realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like

always it has done.   

> > -mahesh

> >

> >

> >

> > ____________ _________ _________ __

> > kipalmazy <kipalmazy >

> > Nisargadatta

> > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM

> > Re: The Passion of Realization

> >

> >

> > Hi Pete,

> > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the

passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an

ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim

isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has

written.. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and

persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.

> >

> > Ricardo

> >

> > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively

> > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization

> > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to

> > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of

> > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and

> > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being

> > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.

> > > >

> > > > Pete

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Wondereful, Pete !

> > >

> > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.

> > >

> > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least

enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.

> > >

> > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.

> > >

> > > Werner

> > >

> >

>

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> character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. 

> -mahesh       

>

>

 

characters are living worlds

 

.....

 

there are many characters and worlds?

 

.....

 

the answer to such question is of spiritual character

 

....

 

there is only one spiritual character existing

 

 

 

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i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none.

-mahesh

 

 

 

dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33Nisargadatta Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:28:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization

 

Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .> wrote:>> character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. > -mahesh > > characters are living worlds....there are many characters and worlds?....the answer to such question is of spiritual character....there is only one spiritual character existingMarc

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> i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether

it is one or none.

> -mahesh

>

>

only " you " could know/get an answer

 

nobody else

 

 

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> Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> >

> > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether

it is one or none.

> > -mahesh

> >

> >

> only " you " could know/get an answer

>

> nobody else

>

>

> Marc

>

 

 

Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about

that.

 

;-)

 

~A

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Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > >

> > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know

whether it is one or none.

> > > -mahesh

> > >

> > >

> > only " you " could know/get an answer

> >

> > nobody else

> >

> >

> > Marc

> >

>

>

> Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate

about that.

>

> ;-)

>

> ~A

 

 

there us no such thing as realization to realize..

 

even though there is no one to realize anything anyway.

 

I am unanimous in this.

 

..b b.b.

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Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > > >

> > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know

whether it is one or none.

> > > > -mahesh

> > > >

> > > >

> > > only " you " could know/get an answer

> > >

> > > nobody else

> > >

> > >

> > > Marc

> > >

> >

> >

> > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate

about that.

> >

> > ;-)

> >

> > ~A

>

>

> there us no such thing as realization to realize..

>

> even though there is no one to realize anything anyway.

>

> I am unanimous in this.

>

> .b b.b.

>

YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED

 

YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

 

I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR

 

EVERLOVIN

 

GOURD IN LALA LAND

 

RIGHT?

 

kOO KOO

 

 

RIGHT?

 

MAD AS A HATTER

 

CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE

 

LOONIER THAN A MOONIE

 

DUMBER THAN NAILS

 

THICKER THAN THIEVES

 

UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS

 

RIGHT?

 

I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

 

 

 

RIGHT!!!

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Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know

whether it is one or none.

> > > > > -mahesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > only " you " could know/get an answer

> > > >

> > > > nobody else

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate

about that.

> > >

> > > ;-)

> > >

> > > ~A

> >

> >

> > there us no such thing as realization to realize..

> >

> > even though there is no one to realize anything anyway.

> >

> > I am unanimous in this.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED

>

> YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

>

> I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR

>

> EVERLOVIN

>

> GOURD IN LALA LAND

>

> RIGHT?

>

> kOO KOO

>

>

>

> RIGHT?

>

> MAD AS A HATTER

>

> CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE

>

> LOONIER THAN A MOONIE

>

> DUMBER THAN NAILS

>

> THICKER THAN THIEVES

>

> UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS

>

> RIGHT?

>

> I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

>

>

>

> RIGHT!!!

>

 

 

 

((((((((sky))))))))

 

How wonderful to hear your koo koo's...

 

 

~A

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> Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@>

wrote:

> > > >

> > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote:

> > > > >

> > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know

whether it is one or none.

> > > > > -mahesh

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > only " you " could know/get an answer

> > > >

> > > > nobody else

> > > >

> > > >

> > > > Marc

> > > >

> > >

> > >

> > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate

about that.

> > >

> > > ;-)

> > >

> > > ~A

> >

> >

> > there us no such thing as realization to realize..

> >

> > even though there is no one to realize anything anyway.

> >

> > I am unanimous in this.

> >

> > .b b.b.

> >

> YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED

>

> YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

>

> I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR

>

> EVERLOVIN

>

> GOURD IN LALA LAND

>

> RIGHT?

>

> kOO KOO

>

>

>

> RIGHT?

>

> MAD AS A HATTER

>

> CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE

>

> LOONIER THAN A MOONIE

>

> DUMBER THAN NAILS

>

> THICKER THAN THIEVES

>

> UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS

>

> RIGHT?

>

> I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT?

>

>

>

> RIGHT!!!

 

 

I know that you obsess over me.

 

i know that i haunt your every living second of being-time.

 

I know you cannot help yourself.

 

I know that that's why I find you so funny.

 

but i still don't want any part of you ~sky.. you little beggar.

 

see how kind baba is..

 

he's kicking you while your down..

 

and you're slobbering all over loving it.

 

what a pervert.

 

good boy!..now back to your pen.

 

ROFLMAO!

 

..b b.b.

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