Guest guest Posted March 17, 2009 Report Share Posted March 17, 2009 To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively is to be passionate. There is no realization without passion. To be enlightened is to strongly, obsessively have the feeling of being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and you radiate that contagious charisma of being here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > is to be passionate. There is no realization > without passion. To be enlightened is to > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > Pete > Wondereful, Pete ! Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Hi Pete, congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. Ricardo Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > Pete > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > Werner > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > is to be passionate. There is no realization > without passion. To be enlightened is to > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > Pete > so where is your passion Pete?.... where is your realization....?... ..... only great ego's have such passion.... ....as long everything concerning realization remain unknown... ..... Marc Ps: some egos never want to know It such rejection result into many imaginations & illusions....and also into passion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > Hi Pete, > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > Ricardo Wow, Ricardo, You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " to reach the destination. Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it. Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ? Werner > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Hahaha! You might have some neurological disorder....I know you're joking! In my opinion, all these spiritual lists are crowded by big egos. I would say, only big egos are interested in finding themselves, realization, true selves, enlightenment or whatever goal of this kind. Logically thus, it takes a strong effort for this people to get rid of this ego or, at least, to minimize it. Lacan would say these egos do not accept " castration " ! Hence, there only to possibilities, 1. to get psychotic, 2. to reach realization/emancipation. These egos are like big children who don't want to subjugate themselves to the Law, i.e. to become castrated. The " social " isn't completely accepted in most people, there is always a me and a other/Other, i.e. resistance, i.e. suffering. Most people can go on living with that producing all kind of neurosis to cope with the problem. Big Egos can't do that. They want to find the source of the problem. They want to reach and touch their own limits. They do not comply. Thy fight and never give up until the found their " truth " . Ricardo Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > Hi Pete, > > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > > > Ricardo > > > Wow, Ricardo, > > You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " to reach the destination. > > Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it. > > Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ? > > Werner > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > Hahaha! You might have some neurological disorder....I know you're joking! In my opinion, all these spiritual lists are crowded by big egos. Surely I was joking, Ricardo. But with a raised finger: " Watch out ! > I would say, only big egos are interested in finding themselves, realization, true selves, enlightenment or whatever goal of this kind. Logically thus, it takes a strong effort for this people to get rid of this ego or, at least, to minimize it. Don't touch the ego in any conctempful or violent way because you are that ego, Ricardo. Don't throw contemptful remarks at it, just the contrary. Love and pay respect to the ego (which is you). Else you are getting in conflict with yourself and other egos. To condemn and to fight the ego is an act of violence. And please see where violence is starting, intelligence is ending. So, intelligence is the means to meet the ego but not contempt and violence. You can only learn about something as long as you face it, respecting it. But as soon as you meet it with contempt you are turning your back at it and you are no longer facing it and intelligence no longer got a chance to cope with it. See that, Ricardo. It is such a wide spread phiosophy to see the go in a negative way, as an enemy. And it is not at all an enemy. It is one's precious friend. Werner > Lacan would say these egos do not accept " castration " ! Hence, there only to possibilities, 1. to get psychotic, 2. to reach realization/emancipation. These egos are like big children who don't want to subjugate themselves to the Law, i.e. to become castrated. The " social " isn't completely accepted in most people, there is always a me and a other/Other, i.e. resistance, i.e. suffering. Most people can go on living with that producing all kind of neurosis to cope with the problem. Big Egos can't do that. They want to find the source of the problem. They want to reach and touch their own limits. They do not comply. Thy fight and never give up until the found their " truth " . > > Ricardo > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > Wow, Ricardo, > > > > You have got it: One needs " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " to reach the destination. > > > > Dumb fool me, I am lost! Whenever I started that " serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work " then after five minutes I already forgot it. > > > > Please tell me Ricardo, what is the trick no longer to forget it ? > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. -mahesh kipalmazy <kipalmazyNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization Hi Pete,congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.Ricardo Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> >> > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively> > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > without passion. To be enlightened is to> > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > Pete> >> > > Wondereful, Pete !> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > Werner> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 well there you go! that's the ticket. now don't think about ut. :-) ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > -mahesh > > > > ________________________________ > kipalmazy <kipalmazy > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM > Re: The Passion of Realization > > > Hi Pete, > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > Ricardo > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 18, 2009 Report Share Posted March 18, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > Hi Pete, > R: congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. Hi Ricardo, P: No, obsessive passion is realization itself. You are very right that the goal is not important. If one is obsessively passionated about golf, then one is being lived by that passion. There are no doubts, no ego getting in the way. The self is the passion itself without any conflict. One gets up to a day of passionated doing, and what that doing is matter little. Let the listless bury the listless. R: It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > Ricardo > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > Excellent! now.. now that you have conquered NOT thinking about " ut " .. don't think about " it " ... nor this. give'er a whirl. it's real gone daddyo. ..b b.b. > well there you go! > > that's the ticket. > > now don't think about ut. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as > > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > ________________________________ > > kipalmazy <kipalmazy@> > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM > > Re: The Passion of Realization > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > > > Ricardo > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity. -mahesh ----- Forwarded Message ----Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamatNisargadatta Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PMRe: Re: The Passion of Realization mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. -mahesh kipalmazy <kipalmazy >NisargadattaWednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization Hi Pete,congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.Ricardo Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr wrote:>> Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> >> > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively> > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > without passion. To be enlightened is to> > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > Pete> >> > > Wondereful, Pete !> > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > Werner> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Well if you have to ask why.. it's no wonder why... you're bewitched.. bothered...and bewildered. as long as you stick around you'll find only this. not much of a find though. better to lose all that and find what you are not. ..b b.b. Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing > everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity. > -mahesh Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 19, 2009 Report Share Posted March 19, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. Mahesh You cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought which separates itself fromn it and then says " I want to be free from it " . It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately is existing from that charater. And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ? It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense. Werner >i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing > everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity. > -mahesh > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM > Re: Re: The Passion of Realization > > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > -mahesh > > > > ________________________________ > kipalmazy <kipalmazy > > Nisargadatta > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM > Re: The Passion of Realization > > > Hi Pete, > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > Ricardo > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > Werner > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing > everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba with disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity. > -mahesh > > you don't need to maintain any character there is anyway no " you " who has the choice to maintain any character yourSelf is already all the time free from any characters ..... characters are coming and going.... .... yourSelf Is always identic .... identic with all there Is for real ..... no choice about That Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. -mahesh Werner Woehr <wwoehrNisargadatta Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:19:26 AMFw: Re: The Passion of Realization Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .> wrote:>> why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. MaheshYou cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought which separates itself fromn it and then says "I want to be free from it".It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately is existing from that charater.And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ?It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense.Werner>i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing> everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity.> -mahesh > > > ----- Forwarded Message ----> Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .>> Nisargadatta> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM> Re: Re: The Passion of Realization> > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth as> medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > -mahesh> > > > ____________ _________ _________ __> kipalmazy <kipalmazy >> Nisargadatta> Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM> Re: The Passion of Realization> > > Hi Pete,> congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached.> > Ricardo > > Nisargadatta, "Werner Woehr" <wwoehr@> wrote:> >> > Nisargadatta, "cerosoul" <pedsie6@> wrote:> > >> > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively> > > is to be passionate. There is no realization> > > without passion. To be enlightened is to> > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of> > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and> > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being> > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed.> > > > > > Pete> > >> > > > > > Wondereful, Pete !> > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened.> > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me.> > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am.> > > > Werner> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. > -mahesh > > Thanks a lot, Mahesh, for cutting the story short. Seems you own the ability very nicely, if you are asked for, to reveal your hidden mastership in simplicity. Generally complexity in talking and writing is confused with intelligence. But it is not. To be simple is to be intelligent. Werner > > > ________________________________ > Werner Woehr <wwoehr > Nisargadatta > Friday, March 20, 2009 3:19:26 AM > Fw: Re: The Passion of Realization > > > Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@ .> wrote: > > > > why do i have to maintain this character so well which is only a projection created by the mind, fulfil every need of this character again a creation of this delusion, need to keep the body fit & in shape, need to eat nutricious food to sustain it, need to live in a beautiful comfortable place called my home, need to keep enough bank balance for my own security against uncertainities, need to be nicely dressed with the clothes i like to wear always appealling, need to work or do something for earning a living, need to socialize for sake of maintaining decency, status & position in community, need to be a nice husband or family man or dutiful & loving father or son, need to learn more to be on higher plane of intelligence, need to be supernatural with ability to comprehend the mysteries of life . this character has been made so big that i am unable to free myself from it. > > Mahesh > > You cannot free yourself from it because you are that character. It is thought which separates itself fromn it and then says " I want to be free from it " . > > It is thought which creates the illusion of a separate entity which separately is existing from that charater. > > And below now follows a very very very very long sentence - way to long to be read. Why are you creating such long tiresome sentences ? > > It is an offense of expect anyone will share such a nonsense. > > Werner > > >i cannot give up all the above out of fear of losing > > everything making me to live with discomfort, pain, isolation & failure. killing this identity thereby shutting the mind is a difficult job because i have to lose everything in bargain. jesus could do it, so could buddha, so could krishna & mohammed & other masters like jnaneshwara, nisargadatta, ramana, vivekananda, saibaba etc. they went thru the process of shedding everything to kill the character. we know them as personalities because we identify them as characters like us hence we talk about the pain from the wounds sustained by jesus on the cross before dying & the suffering of saibaba wityh disease at the time of his death & their miraculous reappearance after so called death. characters create distinctions, miracles & all other delusions beholding the eternity. > > -mahesh > > > > > > ----- Forwarded Message ---- > > Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@ .> > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 9:09:44 PM > > Re: Re: The Passion of Realization > > > > > > mind keeps chattering in search of realization from the time i took birth, i realized that i am in need of parents for my upkeep, as i started to talk i realized that i need education to communicate to people, later i started panting with strong urge i realized that i need girls to have company with for enjoying pleasure, the list goes on & on endlessly in my goal for realizing the world. now i know that it is all the mind's play & at every moment the world appears to me differently. i have not understood the world as a whole hence my journey for true realization remains incomplete. i have nowhere to go hence i decided to look within, to find the possibility of shutting my mind which is the cause of all these projections displaying limitations. i am unable to shut it off because i cannot live without it, the projection of the world will remain mystery to me. mind has taken form called human personality named mahesh from the time of birth > as > > medium for projection. it is difficult to break this form which has enjoyed being a main character in this projection all along. i am expressing my desire to break from it but the more i desire the more it wants my closeness. it creates one more projection that i am endowed with true knowledge of complete realization, i know that it is a play of my mind to pamper this character like always it has done. > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________ __ > > kipalmazy <kipalmazy > > > Nisargadatta > > Wednesday, March 18, 2009 2:44:52 PM > > Re: The Passion of Realization > > > > > > Hi Pete, > > congratulations for the last two posts. Many others do not see the passionate and obsessive character of the search of realization. It is an ambition. A striving for an aim. The point is that the aim can vary. The aim isn't important. I think what I write is in line with what Balsekar has written.. We are differnet, we have different aims but without serious and persistent, passionate and devoted work destination will not be reached. > > > > Ricardo > > > > Nisargadatta, " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta, " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > To feel strongly, exclusively, obsessively > > > > is to be passionate. There is no realization > > > > without passion. To be enlightened is to > > > > strongly, obsessively have the feeling of > > > > being alive. Obsess about that feeling, and > > > > you radiate that contagious charisma of being > > > > here, present as an awareness that cannot be ignoreed. > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > > > > > Wondereful, Pete ! > > > > > > Finally I know the conditions of being enlightened. > > > > > > But - oh schock, now I also have to realize that I am not the least enlightened. I don't fit into those standards. No chance for me. > > > > > > If I like it or not, I have to go on to be what I am. > > > > > > Werner > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. > -mahesh > > characters are living worlds ..... there are many characters and worlds? ..... the answer to such question is of spiritual character .... there is only one spiritual character existing Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. -mahesh dennis_travis33 <dennis_travis33Nisargadatta Sent: Friday, March 20, 2009 3:28:52 PM Re: The Passion of Realization Nisargadatta, Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@.. .> wrote:>> character lives & so the world lives on. i have cut the story short. > -mahesh > > characters are living worlds....there are many characters and worlds?....the answer to such question is of spiritual character....there is only one spiritual character existingMarc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 20, 2009 Report Share Posted March 20, 2009 Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat wrote: > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > -mahesh > > only " you " could know/get an answer nobody else Marc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > > -mahesh > > > > > only " you " could know/get an answer > > nobody else > > > Marc > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about that. ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > only " you " could know/get an answer > > > > nobody else > > > > > > Marc > > > > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about that. > > ;-) > > ~A there us no such thing as realization to realize.. even though there is no one to realize anything anyway. I am unanimous in this. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > only " you " could know/get an answer > > > > > > nobody else > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about that. > > > > ;-) > > > > ~A > > > there us no such thing as realization to realize.. > > even though there is no one to realize anything anyway. > > I am unanimous in this. > > .b b.b. > YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR EVERLOVIN GOURD IN LALA LAND RIGHT? kOO KOO RIGHT? MAD AS A HATTER CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE LOONIER THAN A MOONIE DUMBER THAN NAILS THICKER THAN THIEVES UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS RIGHT? I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? RIGHT!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only " you " could know/get an answer > > > > > > > > nobody else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about that. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > there us no such thing as realization to realize.. > > > > even though there is no one to realize anything anyway. > > > > I am unanimous in this. > > > > .b b.b. > > > YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED > > YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? > > I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR > > EVERLOVIN > > GOURD IN LALA LAND > > RIGHT? > > kOO KOO > > > > RIGHT? > > MAD AS A HATTER > > CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE > > LOONIER THAN A MOONIE > > DUMBER THAN NAILS > > THICKER THAN THIEVES > > UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS > > RIGHT? > > I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? > > > > RIGHT!!! > ((((((((sky)))))))) How wonderful to hear your koo koo's... ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 21, 2009 Report Share Posted March 21, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " dennis_travis33 " <dennis_travis33@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , Mahesh Kamat <mv.kamat@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > i have not experienced living without character hence would'nt know whether it is one or none. > > > > > -mahesh > > > > > > > > > > > > > > only " you " could know/get an answer > > > > > > > > nobody else > > > > > > > > > > > > Marc > > > > > > > > > > > > > Actually there is no one to realize realization, and I am quite passionate about that. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > there us no such thing as realization to realize.. > > > > even though there is no one to realize anything anyway. > > > > I am unanimous in this. > > > > .b b.b. > > > YOU'RE TOTALLY WHACKED > > YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? > > I MEAN, FUCKED OUT OF YOUR > > EVERLOVIN > > GOURD IN LALA LAND > > RIGHT? > > kOO KOO > > > > RIGHT? > > MAD AS A HATTER > > CRAZIER THAN A MARCH HARE > > LOONIER THAN A MOONIE > > DUMBER THAN NAILS > > THICKER THAN THIEVES > > UGLIER THAN YOUR AUNT'S ASS > > RIGHT? > > I MEAN, YOU KNOW THAT, RIGHT? > > > > RIGHT!!! I know that you obsess over me. i know that i haunt your every living second of being-time. I know you cannot help yourself. I know that that's why I find you so funny. but i still don't want any part of you ~sky.. you little beggar. see how kind baba is.. he's kicking you while your down.. and you're slobbering all over loving it. what a pervert. good boy!..now back to your pen. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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