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GuruRatings , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote:

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> GuruRatings , " Eric Paroissien " <ericparoissien@> wrote:

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> >Eric: Reading carefully this and that opinion about what should be and what

should not be, it occurs to me that liberation is that event that happens to one

in a million individuals and is the ability to immediately stop suffering; your

body is accurately tuned onto itself and its environment to find it, fix it and

finish it, problem solved, next event of life please.

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> > When you ask someone to modify her behavior it is either, " be as i want you

to be " or " stop suffering right now! "

> >

> > that is:

> >

> > " Be liberated please! "

> > am kindly asking you:

> > be right now as Ramana, Jesus or Ma Anandamoyi and stop taking part,

associating, planning, thinking harm or hurt.

> >

> >

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>Anna: However, " it is finished " is always a project nearing *completion*.

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> Quite self-serving, and life-affirming.

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> In this sense it's all about life..... And living it to the fullest

> in the only way possible....with and in an open mind and open heart.

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> ~A

 

P: Hi Eric,

 

This post is one of your best. A real Jewel!

I would like to discuss with you all its

possibilities. Granted that you have described

the fruit of liberation very accurately as:

 

" Liberation, is liberation from irresistible impulses, when a person can refrain

from harm and hurt, soon and clearly identifies a potential harm and in that

clarity also finds resource, intelligence and strength to avoid it. "

 

> > " Persons, place, situations, objects are each a pack of data, a load, a

potential for future happening that liberations reads at a >glance, and avoids

entanglement. "

 

Great! But how can readers in these lists get

there? In my opinion, a good way is inquiring

into the sukha in dukkha. In simpler terms, the

pleasure to be found in hurting. Let's acknowledge

our predatory nature. We descent from hunters who

depended on killing for their food. It's only

natural that they derived great excitement from

pursuing and cornering their prey.

 

Even among us gentle nondualists the love of

chasing and cornering an opponent in debate

is a pleasurable sport. We love hurt as art,

in drama and tragedy. The hunter in us love

to watch life ( as the great hunter) cornering

and killing its prey. We love the hunt so much

that when we can't be the hunter, we enjoy playing

the prey.

 

I didn't snip Anna's response to your post as an

example of hunters disguised as prey. Anna

loves the hunt! Unlike GP, she doesn't use

the heavy maze of sarcasm, nor knifes her

victims with the display of their shortcomings

to cause hurt, she uses a more pernicious weapon,

she smothers every post she responds to with

syrupy generalities.

 

GP and I, are brothers of the " heavy hand, "

like sadistic dentists our goal is pure, but

sometimes we have to much fun pulling teeth.

It's a very difficult thing to keep in check.

Look how unmercifully he goes against the

hapless Simon.

 

It's a fine art to know where the line is

drawn, and where your good intentions to

correct behavior, become just a cover to

indulge in the pleasures of the hunt. To

see the hunter at play even in the most

innocent pursues requires a sharp eye. To

indulge the hunter, people sometimes stalk

and hurt themselves.

 

This is a very useful subject to explore

and I hope that you, and others will don

your explorers suits and hunt the hunter

in us.

 

 

 

 

 

 

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