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Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading

this. but what can your consciousness make appear within

itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the

color of this email without you pressing a key? Can

it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa?

 

If instead of reading, you were just imagining a

PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you

you can't change just by wanting to.

 

If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you

could change your brain, right now, and become

the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an

enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is

appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if

you press the delete key, but the email can not

change your PC into a Mac no matter what you

do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is

tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the

brain that wags consciousness as indicated below:

 

Drugs can change your consciousness,

but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of

caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more

alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you

unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which

creates consciousness and not the other way around.

 

So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other

than so you wish?

 

 

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http://awakefiction.wordpress.com

 

 

Pete

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Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote:

>

> Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading

> this. but what can your consciousness make appear within

> itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the

> color of this email without you pressing a key? Can

> it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa?

>

> If instead of reading, you were just imagining a

> PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you

> you can't change just by wanting to.

>

> If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you

> could change your brain, right now, and become

> the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an

> enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is

> appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if

> you press the delete key, but the email can not

> change your PC into a Mac no matter what you

> do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is

> tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the

> brain that wags consciousness as indicated below:

>

> Drugs can change your consciousness,

> but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of

> caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more

> alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you

> unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which

> creates consciousness and not the other way around.

>

> So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other

> than so you wish?

>

>

> http://cerosoul.wordpress.com

>

> http://awakefiction.wordpress.com

>

>

> Pete

>

 

 

Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness:

 

" Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism

with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective

consciousness which spans the cosmos " .

 

That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be

wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round.

Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being.

 

And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one way

or the other is important for the collective will become a content of

consciousness.

 

I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its

contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only

reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid

orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication.

 

Werner

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Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> >

> > Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading

> > this. but what can your consciousness make appear within

> > itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the

> > color of this email without you pressing a key? Can

> > it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa?

> >

> > If instead of reading, you were just imagining a

> > PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you

> > you can't change just by wanting to.

> >

> > If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you

> > could change your brain, right now, and become

> > the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an

> > enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is

> > appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if

> > you press the delete key, but the email can not

> > change your PC into a Mac no matter what you

> > do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is

> > tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the

> > brain that wags consciousness as indicated below:

> >

> > Drugs can change your consciousness,

> > but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of

> > caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more

> > alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you

> > unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which

> > creates consciousness and not the other way around.

> >

> > So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other

> > than so you wish?

> >

> >

> > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com

> >

> > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com

> >

> >

> > Pete

> >

>

>

> Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness:

>

> " Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living

superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a

collective consciousness which spans the cosmos " .

>

> That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be

wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round.

Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being.

>

> And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one way

or the other is important for the collective will become a content of

consciousness.

>

> I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its

contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only

reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid

orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication.

>

> Werner

>

 

 

What is consciousness again?..................I forgot.

 

:-0

 

 

 

toombaru

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Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote:

>

> Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote:

> >

> > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote:

> > >

> > > Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading

> > > this. but what can your consciousness make appear within

> > > itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the

> > > color of this email without you pressing a key? Can

> > > it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa?

> > >

> > > If instead of reading, you were just imagining a

> > > PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you

> > > you can't change just by wanting to.

> > >

> > > If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you

> > > could change your brain, right now, and become

> > > the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an

> > > enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is

> > > appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if

> > > you press the delete key, but the email can not

> > > change your PC into a Mac no matter what you

> > > do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is

> > > tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the

> > > brain that wags consciousness as indicated below:

> > >

> > > Drugs can change your consciousness,

> > > but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of

> > > caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more

> > > alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you

> > > unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which

> > > creates consciousness and not the other way around.

> > >

> > > So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other

> > > than so you wish?

> > >

> > >

> > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com

> > >

> > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com

> > >

> > >

> > > Pete

> > >

> >

> >

> > Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness:

> >

> > " Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living

superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a

collective consciousness which spans the cosmos " .

> >

> > That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be

wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round.

Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being.

> >

> > And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one

way or the other is important for the collective will become a content of

consciousness.

> >

> > I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its

contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only

reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid

orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication.

> >

> > Werner

> >

>

>

> What is consciousness again?..................I forgot.

>

> :-0

>

>

>

> toombaru

>

 

 

Hi Toomb,

 

That which is forgetting is not consciousness, it is the failing access to parts

of memory.

 

But that which says " I forgot " is thought reporting that there is no access to

memory.

 

Hope you are fine ...

 

Werner

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