Guest guest Posted March 23, 2009 Report Share Posted March 23, 2009 Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading this. but what can your consciousness make appear within itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the color of this email without you pressing a key? Can it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa? If instead of reading, you were just imagining a PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you you can't change just by wanting to. If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you could change your brain, right now, and become the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if you press the delete key, but the email can not change your PC into a Mac no matter what you do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the brain that wags consciousness as indicated below: Drugs can change your consciousness, but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which creates consciousness and not the other way around. So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other than so you wish? http://cerosoul.wordpress.com http://awakefiction.wordpress.com Pete Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading > this. but what can your consciousness make appear within > itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the > color of this email without you pressing a key? Can > it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa? > > If instead of reading, you were just imagining a > PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you > you can't change just by wanting to. > > If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you > could change your brain, right now, and become > the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an > enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is > appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if > you press the delete key, but the email can not > change your PC into a Mac no matter what you > do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is > tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the > brain that wags consciousness as indicated below: > > Drugs can change your consciousness, > but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of > caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more > alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you > unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which > creates consciousness and not the other way around. > > So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other > than so you wish? > > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > Pete > Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness: " Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective consciousness which spans the cosmos " . That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round. Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being. And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one way or the other is important for the collective will become a content of consciousness. I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication. Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading > > this. but what can your consciousness make appear within > > itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the > > color of this email without you pressing a key? Can > > it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa? > > > > If instead of reading, you were just imagining a > > PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you > > you can't change just by wanting to. > > > > If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you > > could change your brain, right now, and become > > the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an > > enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is > > appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if > > you press the delete key, but the email can not > > change your PC into a Mac no matter what you > > do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is > > tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the > > brain that wags consciousness as indicated below: > > > > Drugs can change your consciousness, > > but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of > > caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more > > alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you > > unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which > > creates consciousness and not the other way around. > > > > So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other > > than so you wish? > > > > > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > > > > Pete > > > > > Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness: > > " Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective consciousness which spans the cosmos " . > > That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round. Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being. > > And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one way or the other is important for the collective will become a content of consciousness. > > I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication. > > Werner > What is consciousness again?..................I forgot. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2009 Report Share Posted March 24, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > Are you conscious now? Of course, you are reading > > > this. but what can your consciousness make appear within > > > itself that your senses do not provide? Can it change the > > > color of this email without you pressing a key? Can > > > it change the PC into a Mac, or vice versa? > > > > > > If instead of reading, you were just imagining a > > > PC, you could. But that PC sitting in front of you > > > you can't change just by wanting to. > > > > > > If your brain were appearing in consciousness, you > > > could change your brain, right now, and become > > > the greatest genius that ever lived, or maybe an > > > enlightened being, but you cannot. This email is > > > appearing in your PC, and your PC can delete it, if > > > you press the delete key, but the email can not > > > change your PC into a Mac no matter what you > > > do. That's is the way it goes. You can tell, who is > > > tail and who is dog, by who wags who. And it's the > > > brain that wags consciousness as indicated below: > > > > > > Drugs can change your consciousness, > > > but your consciousness cannot make whiskey out of > > > caffeine. That coffee can make your consciousness more > > > alert, and a few drinks of whiskey can make you > > > unconscious, that should tell you that it's the brain which > > > creates consciousness and not the other way around. > > > > > > So what grounds do you have to belief in Cosmic C, other > > > than so you wish? > > > > > > > > > http://cerosoul.wordpress.com > > > > > > http://awakefiction.wordpress.com > > > > > > > > > Pete > > > > > > > > > Wikipedia tells about Cosmic Consciousness: > > > > " Cosmic consciousness is the concept that the universe is a living superorganism with which animals, including humans, interconnect, and form a collective consciousness which spans the cosmos " . > > > > That idea of C.C. is just telling what you already in your post showed to be wrong, that the brain is creating consciousness and not the other way round. Consciousness is not a creator, it is not a doer, it is not a being. > > > > And there is also no collective consciousness. But everything which in one way or the other is important for the collective will become a content of consciousness. > > > > I know you can't accpt it Pete, but I still stick to it: Consciousness (its contents) is the world we share and which we communicate. And that is the only reason why it is created by the brain. Consciousness is not created to aid orientation in space. Its only reason to exist is communication. > > > > Werner > > > > > What is consciousness again?..................I forgot. > > :-0 > > > > toombaru > Hi Toomb, That which is forgetting is not consciousness, it is the failing access to parts of memory. But that which says " I forgot " is thought reporting that there is no access to memory. Hope you are fine ... Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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