Guest guest Posted March 30, 2009 Report Share Posted March 30, 2009 Nisargadatta , " billrishel " <illusyn wrote: > > <humongous snip> > > > > Bill > > > > > > PS: Reading back over the above it occurs to me that there *is* a > > > kind of " encapsulation of experience " that can happen in the present, > > > but which is a kind of mesmerization where attention becomes fixed > > > somehow on the " experience of experiencing " ... as if some kind of > > > self-perpetuating feedback loop sets in. And the sense of " fixedness " > > > in that could perhaps correspond to what you mean by " sense of self. " > > > I wonder. It is not really a concept as I see it, but perhaps that is > > > just point of view. > > > > > > > > to establish if you have the same " sense of self " as any other... > > > > take a hammer.. > > > > swing it high.. > > > > smash your left big toe...HARD. > > > > see if " you " sense any pain. > > > > if you do.. > > > > chances are good that your " sense of self " is the same. > > > > maybe egolessly i dunno. > > > > but then..what about that " point of view " ? > > > > whose? > > Awww Bob, I would think you of all people would > perhaps catch the salient notion in that PS.... > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > Well, to actually carry out such an experiment would > likely entail some sort of " sense of self " . If you > are trying to figure out who/what you are then surely > there is some confusion going on in the area of > reflexive processing. > > Seems to me that nondualism (Nisargadatta style > anyway) is about progressively de-programming of > absurd reflexive " lookups " . For example, if you > wrote a computer function like this: > > def fn() > { > fn(); > } > > you get an over-worked computer. As a software > engineer you hopefully learn not to write stuff like > that. > > Well, we are all of us software engineers of a sort, > whether we like it or not. And when we do absurd > reflexive stuff, like asking " Who am I? " or trying > to be a certain particular sort of person, we put our > bio-computing system into a tailspin. The result may > be a headache, very low energy, etc. etc. aka the > human condition. > > Regarding your toe smacking scenario, it reminded me > of an incident a couple of months ago when: While > slicing a loaf of bread I managed to whack the end of > one of my thumbs nearly clean off. It went right > through the nail, and only about a quarter of an inch > of flesh remained connected. A lot of blood. I had no > bandages so had to tear a sheet up into strips to wind > it, then drive myself half an hour to an emergency > room. > > You don't know how you are going to react in such a > situation until it happens, and it was very > interesting to observed that there was no emotion > about it at all. It was all very matter-of-fact. Most > fascinating in the whole thing was meeting a guy in > the waiting room that was full of enjoy and happily > engaging everyone around him, including me. He had had > a stroke and the left side of his body wss paralyzed. > He spoke of it openly and matter of factly. He said > how because it was on his left side he had no problem > driving, and the way he put it was if to say, " so > therefore not a big deal. " When the nurse called him > he got up and marched off dragging his left leg behind > him. What a beautiful guy! > > On the other hand, a few weeks ago I got very nervous > when I coun't find a certain important document. So > I'm not saying I am immune etc. But I saw that as > simply a mechanism kicking in, and it was a metter of > observing the bodily sensations etc. to " debug it. " I > don't see where a " sense of self " comes into it at > all. Yet I am sure some folks here will declare with > knee-jerk reflex that if there is anxiety, fear, or > such then *definitely* there is as sense of " phantom > self " or whatever cropping up. Perhaps it is those > folks' mechanism about " sense of self " that is > habitually firing off. Perhaps they might want to do > some debugging of their own. Aren't *automatic* > patterns like that by definition lacking in requisite > variety, lacking in complex response capabilities? > > Whatever is going on, any time, any day, any where, it > is certainly going on in a programming environment. We > are all software engineers, whether we like it or not. > The only difference is that those who insist on seeing > themselves in terms of the old " human being model " are > doomed to being very lousy software engineers. > > Bill Nothing is a big deal. nothing isn't. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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