Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 ........the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. .....wikipedia Ricardo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > ....wikipedia > > Ricardo But Oh! Scientific spiritualism is what scientific theory is all about. It's all faith based nonsense. Situational ethics and thought that change with the times. Whatever the hell time is. It's not material stuff anyway. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > ....wikipedia > > Ricardo > Hi Ricardo, Some years ago I met a guy who used the same nick as you do. He was a Lacan fan and studied archeology. His mother was from Norway and his father was a Navajo. A coincidence ? Werner Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Werner Woehr " <wwoehr wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > Ricardo > > > > > Hi Ricardo, > > Some years ago I met a guy who used the same nick as you do. He was a Lacan fan and studied archeology. His mother was from Norway and his father was a Navajo. > > A coincidence ? > > Werner a coincidence? no.. a navajo/norwegian mix mutt. smoke signals over norway. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > ....wikipedia > > Ricardo > This explains a lot. One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 > > > > > > This explains a lot. > > One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. > > > toombaru P: Sure it can! It can think of new ones, but without parameters it wouldn't be a mind. Words like " infinite mind " are nonsense. All minds operate within, and are limited by knowledge. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains a lot. > > > > One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. > > > > > > toombaru > > P: Sure it can! It can think of new ones, but > without parameters it wouldn't be a mind. Words > like " infinite mind " are nonsense. All minds operate > within, and are limited by knowledge. > > > So there's no way out of this? :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains a lot. > > > > > > One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: Sure it can! It can think of new ones, but > > without parameters it wouldn't be a mind. Words > > like " infinite mind " are nonsense. All minds operate > > within, and are limited by knowledge. > > > > > > > > > So there's no way out of this? > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru this? ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains a lot. > > > > > > One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > P: Sure it can! It can think of new ones, but > > without parameters it wouldn't be a mind. Words > > like " infinite mind " are nonsense. All minds operate > > within, and are limited by knowledge. > > > > > > > > > So there's no way out of this? > > > :-0 > > > > > toombaru P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which is asking. The mind is not constant, but it cannot remember when it's not there. So it has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's much the same situation as if the warden of a prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, in which he would not remember the hours he spends outside the prison. Since his memory works, only when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " cerosoul " <pedsie6@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This explains a lot. > > > > > > > > One wonders if the conceptual mind can think its way out of its own parameters. > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > P: Sure it can! It can think of new ones, but > > > without parameters it wouldn't be a mind. Words > > > like " infinite mind " are nonsense. All minds operate > > > within, and are limited by knowledge. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > So there's no way out of this? > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > P: Of course there isn't. It's the mind which > is asking. The mind is not constant, but it > cannot remember when it's not there. So it > has this sense of being its own prisoner. It's > much the same situation as if the warden of a > prison were to suffer a peculiar kind of amnesia, > in which he would not remember the hours he spends > outside the prison. Since his memory works, only > when at work, he thinks he is a prisoner himself. nice metaphor Pete. it may well be that the " outside " he forgets.. is just another kind of prison anyway. should the warden walk the green mile.. at it's end lies the end of his world.. the end of the inconstant illusion. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy wrote: > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > ....wikipedia > > Ricardo Namaste R, I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 4, 2009 Report Share Posted April 4, 2009 Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > Ricardo > > Namaste R, > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. the gods have spoken! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > Namaste R, > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > the gods have spoken! > > .b b.b. > They have listened and thus the gods speak: within the dream everything is possible nothing is preordained. ;-) ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > within the dream > everything is possible > nothing is preordained. > > ;-) > > ~A > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > within the dream > > everything is possible > > nothing is preordained. > > > > ;-) > > > > ~A > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > :-0 > > > > toombaru :-) we cannot separate fact from fiction.. we from thee or thee from me.. minutes from eons.. waiting from going.. from from from oh hell..you know what i mean. ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > within the dream > > > everything is possible > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > :-) > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > minutes from eons.. > > waiting from going.. > > from from from > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > .b b.b. > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ :-0 toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > everything is possible > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > :-) > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > from from from > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > :-0 > > > > toombaru LOL! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Humpf! Easy for you to do! Humpf~ Smile. ~A Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > LOL! > > .b b.b. > Don't encourage him toom! Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? Frankly, I don't even read what he says. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > I sense in him a vein of pure gold.......a profound understanding that seeks expression. The older I get.......the more I see that in all with whom I converse. Everyone is merely trying to understand what the heck is going on. Not an easy task when they ARE what's going on. :-) toombaru Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > .b b.b. > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " :-) yep you bet. that's why you have such stupid opinions.. about what he's written. you never read it. ROFLMAO! what a fucking dummy. you stalk every post of .b b.b. baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. you know it. of course.. you aren't awake very much anyway.. so suck it up and live with it. baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. poor bastard. ROFLMAO! ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " > > :-) > > yep you bet. > > that's why you have such stupid opinions.. > > about what he's written. > > you never read it. > > ROFLMAO! > > what a fucking dummy. > > you stalk every post of .b b.b. > > baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. > > you know it. > > of course.. > > you aren't awake very much anyway.. > > so suck it up and live with it. > > baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. > > but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. > > poor bastard. > > ROFLMAO! > > .b b.b. > Sorry boys, I just don't get it... Must be that missing Y chromosone. Why? ~ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > > > > > > " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " > > > > :-) > > > > yep you bet. > > > > that's why you have such stupid opinions.. > > > > about what he's written. > > > > you never read it. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > what a fucking dummy. > > > > you stalk every post of .b b.b. > > > > baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. > > > > you know it. > > > > of course.. > > > > you aren't awake very much anyway.. > > > > so suck it up and live with it. > > > > baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. > > > > but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. > > > > poor bastard. > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > Sorry boys, I just don't get it... Must be that missing Y chromosone. > > Why? > > ~ not to worry anna.. that's the same reason pancho doesn't get it either. :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > > > I sense in him a vein of pure gold.......a profound understanding that seeks expression. > > The older I get.......the more I see that in all with whom I converse. > > Everyone is merely trying to understand what the heck is going on. > > Not an easy task when they ARE what's going on. > > > :-) > toombaru i sense this in you too toombaru. but it can make no sense to the senseless ~sky. but then.. he's not up with the uppers " going on " .. he's just down as a downer " going down " . :-) ..b b.b. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 5, 2009 Report Share Posted April 5, 2009 Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111 wrote: > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " skywhilds " <skywords@> wrote: > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " toombaru2006 " <lastrain@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " anabebe57 " <kailashana@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " roberibus111 " <Roberibus111@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " Tony OClery " <aoclery@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Nisargadatta , " kipalmazy " <kipalmazy@> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .......the predisposition to religious belief is an ineradicable part of human behavior. Mankind has produced 100,000 religions. It is an illusion to think that scientific humanism and learning will dispel religious belief. Men would rather believe than know (…) A kind of Darwinistic survival of the fittest has occurred with religions (…) The ecological principle called Gause's law holds that competition is maximal between species with identical needs (…) Even submission to secular religions such as Communism and guru cults involve willing subordination of the individual to the group. Religious practices confer biological advantage. The mechanisms of religion include (1) objectification (the reduction of reality to images and definitions that are easily understood and cannot be refuted), (2) commitment through faith (a kind of tribalism enacted through self-surrender), (3) and myth (the narratives that explain the tribe's favored position on the earth, often incorporating supernatural forces struggling for control, apocalypse, and millennium). The three great religion categories of today are Marxism, traditional religion, and scientific materialism. Though theology is not likely to survive as an independent intellectual discipline, religion will endure for a long time to come and will not be replaced by scientific materialism. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ....wikipedia > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Ricardo > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Namaste R, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I think your semantics could be different....substitute superstition and spirit belief for religion and you have the condition of humans prior to c2000 years ago and since. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > People will always have superstition but organised religion is a new phenonemon...mainly Buddhist, Sikh, Christian, Muslim, and Judaism. > > > > > > > > > > > These are all started by men and manipulators and they have no real relevance and are unnecessary...impediments and delusional. At least superstition refers to spirits and interdimensional beings instead of a non existant personal god...All within delusion anyway....Cheers Tony. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the gods have spoken! > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > They have listened and thus the gods speak: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > within the dream > > > > > > > > > everything is possible > > > > > > > > > nothing is preordained. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ;-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ~A > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hey............wait a minute...........I thought there were no separate things. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we cannot separate fact from fiction.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > we from thee or thee from me.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > minutes from eons.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > waiting from going.. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > from from from > > > > > > > > > > > > > > oh hell..you know what i mean. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Well.......I think I know what I think you are saying after what you say is cross referenced and compared to and interpolated with my personal perceptual-conceptual interface........ > > > > > > > > > > > > :-0 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > toombaru > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > LOL! > > > > > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > Don't encourage him toom! > > > > > > > > Almost everyone on this list has gone through the trouble of coming up with something original. His only originality is that he says, over and over again, that it's OK to be an unoriginal idiot. > > > > > > > > But we already know that. Just look at the world. It's full of idiots like bobo. Why do we need to be reminded of his moronic monkey shines? > > > > > > > > Frankly, I don't even read what he says. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > " Frankly, I don't even read what he says. " > > > > > > :-) > > > > > > yep you bet. > > > > > > that's why you have such stupid opinions.. > > > > > > about what he's written. > > > > > > you never read it. > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > what a fucking dummy. > > > > > > you stalk every post of .b b.b. > > > > > > baba haunts your every waking moment pancho. > > > > > > you know it. > > > > > > of course.. > > > > > > you aren't awake very much anyway.. > > > > > > so suck it up and live with it. > > > > > > baba's ghost won't crowd you in your hovel. > > > > > > but your obsession will continue to laugh at you. > > > > > > poor bastard. > > > > > > ROFLMAO! > > > > > > .b b.b. > > > > > > > > > > > Sorry boys, I just don't get it... Must be that missing Y chromosone. > > > > Why? > > > > ~ > > > not to worry anna.. > > that's the same reason pancho doesn't get it either. > > :-) > > .b b.b. > But I love all you boyz in the hood. Some more *equally* than others. 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